Dallas Making Offers for Kobe?

by N41D on Oct 13, 2007 10:24 AM CDT Comment 18 comments

Ric Bucher made a report on ESPN that Dallas had contacted the Lakers and made initial inquiries into the Kobe discussions, dangling Josh Howard and Jason Terry.

Steven A Smith said on ESPN Radio that he knows the fact that Kobe wants to play in either Chicago or Dallas. He said the rumored Josh/Jet deal isn't enough, and that Dallas would likely need to recruit a third party to sweeten it's deal, or start talking about Josh/Devin together rather than Jet...

How far would you go to get Kobe? If we can do Josh/Jet and filler for him, I think you take it, run and never look back. I think I still give serious consideration to a Josh/Devin deal, because I think Terry would be a nice option next to Kobe...If we can get a third team involved, it's tough to say what would happen, but I think you put the young guys (Ager, Reyshawn, Fazekas, future picks, whatever) on the table and see what you can work out...

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Dear God

I'd do Josh/Devin for Kobe in a nanosecond.

Kobe is a legit star, and a great fit for the system.

Put him and Dirk together, with a nice supporting cast (Damp/Diop, JET, and all our assoirted G/F's) and you're finally talking about winning a title.

He's a marketable star people.

Marketable stars make the NBA allow you to win championships.

But... isn't Devin a poison pill contract since he just signed an extension? I don't see how a trade would work.

Too bad.

No title for us.

Ever.

Screw you, David Stern.

The NBA is rigged. I've been telling you it is, and now the FBI backs me up. If you don't believe the truth by now, you've got brain problems.

by thedirkatron on Oct 13, 2007 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Do you

Have an auto text to spew that crap, like Gregg Easterbrook? We get it. The nba is rigged. Dirk isn't a star because he's white. David Stern hates us. You win. Now. Why the flying F do you still watch if you're so convinced of it?

by BrodyV on Oct 13, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A few things

I watch because I really like basketball. I think it's the most entertaining sport from a spectator perspective. Plus I've been a Mavs fan since I was old enough for my Dad to take me to Reunion.

Also, the reason Dirk isn't a star isn't because he's white, it's because he's unmarketable. Steve Nash is marketable, and he's white. He's also my favorite athlete ever, and it's not even close. I could see a newsflash stating that a DFW Sports Hall of Fame induction ceromny was blown up by a suicide bomber and that Aikman, Emmitt, Popeye Jones, Finley, Rusty Greer, Juan Gonzalez and Nolan Ryan were all blown up, and my first thought would be, "But Dirk's okay, right?"

And I'm just being a realist when I write about the realities of the NBA being rigged in favor of teams with marketable stars. It's nigh impossible to win a title without at least one hyper-marketable star. The league will give the team with the more marketable star every conceivable advantage. So, yah, when I hear a rumor about Dallas trying to nab a shoe-commercial guy like KG or Kobe, I'm going to get excited about it, and I'm going to let you know why.

Sorry.

When you know the truth, it's hard not to speak it.

The NBA is rigged. I've been telling you it is, and now the FBI backs me up. If you don't believe the truth by now, you've got brain problems.

by thedirkatron on Oct 13, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to beat a dead horse, but . . .

Tim Duncan qualifies as "hyper-marketable"?

by year2000ready on Oct 13, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was about

to make that same comment. Duncan? And who on the Pistons- Are you saying Chauncy Billups is hyper-marketable? Or that Stern was pumped to see R. Wallace win a ring?

Meanwhile, how many rings does LeBron have? Or Nash? Hell, if a "marketable star" like Nash is what the Mavericks are missing, why is their record (both regular season AND playoffs) better since he's left?

For that matter- lets look at the acheivements of the the 10 players recently immortalized by Nike in their "Second Coming" ads for the 25th anniversary of the "Air Force" shoe line- a true test of marketability if there is one.

LeBron James (Zero Rings), Shawn Marion (Zero Rings), Kobe Bryant (Zero Rings without Shaq), Paul Pierce (Zero Rings), Steve Nash (Zero Rings), Chris Paul (Zero Rings), Tony Parker (Boring as hell, only interesting because of Eva, can barely speak English), Rasheed Wallace (One that makes Stern curse every evening), Amare Stoudemire (Zero Rings), Jermaine O'Neal (Zero Rings).

That's 7 between them. But if you'll notice something- the LEAST "marketable" stars out of that group have 4 of the titles (Parker and Wallace). Two of the MOST "marketable" (LBJ and Amare) don't have any, despite playing on playoff caliber teams.

by BrodyV on Oct 13, 2007 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Let me get this straight: Y'all think the NBA is completely on the up and up?

You don't think that the NBA ever uses its refs to influence games one way or the other?

I want to understand your point of view. I really do. I'd love to think the NBA wasn't rigged. I really would. That argument you just made was pretty sophomoric. Give me something good.

The NBA is rigged. I've been telling you it is, and now the FBI backs me up. If you don't believe the truth by now, you've got brain problems.

by thedirkatron on Oct 14, 2007 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yet

"That argument you just made was pretty sophomoric. Give me something good."

When presented with something that actually discusses the rate of championships to marketability, you don't even address it...

And, yes, of course, there are "points of emphasis" that change in favor of teams, and are made with the eyes open acknowledgment that teams will be helped. If anything the Mavericks have been one of those teams because of the emphasis on calling touch fouls on the perimeter that wasn't there 10 years ago.

The bottom line is, I've yet to see ANYTHING that demonstrates to me that the NBA is "rigged" in this systematic, conspiratorial way that you seem to insist.

by BrodyV on Oct 14, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just to clarify

No one said (or even implied) that the NBA is on the "up and up". No one said it's hard for refs to influence games.

All I did was point out that Tim Duncan, who is not a "hyper-marketable" star, has won 4 championships. This contradicts what you said about the NBA only allowing teams with marketable superstars to win the championship. (I didn't bring up Detroit 2004 because I think that team was an exception to a lot of rules.) This is not a "sophomoric" argument. What is sophomoric is when you put words into my mouth and then call those words sophomoric.

As I understand it, your argument is that just because the NBA has motivation to influence games and has the capability to do so, this means that they actually do influence the games. However, that's not true. That is, even assuming that the NBA wants to influence games and can influence games (both of which I think are fair assumptions), that doesn't necessarily mean that they are influencing games. The FBI is not backing you up, and you have nothing other than circumstantial evidence. It doesn't mean that the NBA is definitely not influencing games, but it also doesn't mean that they are.

by year2000ready on Oct 16, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade with Dallas unlikely

It's very unlikely that Dallas could make a Kobe trade. Most of the veterans have trade restrictions and can't be traded until December 15th. Harris is a Poison Pill Player (PPP) and Howard is a BYC1 (Base Year Contract 1). Those two make it impossible to trade for Kobe without trading Dirk.

You can use the RealGM tool to try it yourself. Here's an example Kobe for Dirk plus others trade.

Note, I'm not proposing the trade, I'm just using it as an example. If someone has a lot of time on their hands, feel free to search for a three or four team deal that get Kobe to Dallas without giving up Dirk.

Derek

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Oct 14, 2007 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh...

I don't buy those TradeCheckers...There's so much other money involved that isn't included in those things, and it's not that simple to begin with anyways...It would definately be difficult to make the money match, but at the same time, these GMs have so many other tools and information available to them that those trade checkers really aren't accurate at all. Yeah, it would probably take some creative thinking and possibly a third-party to get a deal around Harris/Howard done, but it's definately possible. If it were impossible to trade guys like that, teams wouldn't sign players to contracts subject to those provisions.

by N41D on Oct 14, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade provision

The teams have no choice but to sign them to those provisions. It's part of the collective bargaining agreement (cba).

For instance, veterans who take less money to play for a contender get pissed if they're traded before they ever play for that team. Consequently, the player's association bargained for a time limit where veterans couldn't be traded after they signed a contract.

That's why Stackhouse, George, Jones, and Bass can't be traded before December 15th. They just signed contracts meaning they get trade restrictions from the cba. (Note there are exceptions for sign and trades)

Trade checkers have all the silly rules in the cba in an easy to use format. I'm not sure what "other money" involved you're talking about.

Derek

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Oct 15, 2007 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It can be done.

For example: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4249024

Plus draft picks.

The Bulls can top that offer, sure, but it's not a completely unreasonable one. And Kobe has trade veto power, so if he wants to come to Dallas he can probably go a long way toward making it happen.

by steveviii on Oct 18, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe

Just trade JET and Damp. and like 4 first round picks

I know how to spell Dirk, M-V-P

by srdmad on Oct 18, 2007 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kobe

I don't like any trade that involves Dirk, Howard, or Harris. I really like JET and Stackhouse, but I am really to trade them for the best player in the league. Let's not forget that Kobe can play defense.

I know how to spell Dirk, M-V-P

by srdmad on Oct 18, 2007 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ak 47

if we could only give up Jet and a couple of 2nd round picks or a couple of low bench players for him. I would rather do that then trade a bench of good players for Kobe.

I know how to spell Dirk, M-V-P

by srdmad on Oct 18, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if Kobe's available

you do what it takes to get him. period. The NBA is a star's league, and while it'd be nice to get AK47, Kobe makes the Mavs the best team in the NBA, easily.

by steveviii on Oct 19, 2007 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe to Dallas???

Is it true? Who would The Mavs be willing to give up for Kobe? I heard he would be better suited for The Bulls. I checked out the insider bookie stuff and NBA lines to see what the odds where on Kobe and his movement. Check out the Kobe special. What does everyone think the odds are he ends up here? I think he stays in LA. Phil Jackson would quit.

by redlion on Oct 19, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kobe

If we traded Howard and Harris and a couple others for Kobe. We would have to rebuild after these guys get old. We are probably not going to find another all star player late in the first round. That's why you can't trade Howard or Harris. Because you don't know if you are going to find all stars in the draft. Let's why I am suggesting JET, Damp, and a couple other players and like 3 first round picks.

I know how to spell Dirk, M-V-P

by srdmad on Oct 19, 2007 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs