A message about Stephen Jackson
I am amazed with some of the comments....
Warrior Fans this is for all you....
I can understand that you all want to cheer for your team and back up certain players...I would back up every Mavs player as well.
But backing up a horrible person like Stephen Jackson?!?!?!? Come on now...thats like me backing up Roy Tarpley back in the day and saying he is a great human being...even though he was a huge coke head. Stephen Jackson is a good solid basketball player...thats it!!
Stephen Jackson belongs in the same category as Pac-Man Jones and Chris Henry...just uneducated thug athletes that give every other good quality athlete a bad name.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was dumb enough to pull a gun on the refs for making a bad call on him...he is a great basketball player (just like Pac-man is a great football player) but he is an awful human being...who for the better of our society DOES belong in jail.
Saying he is misunderstood is an absolute joke as well...thats like saying Ron Artest is misunderstood for punching fans for talking sh*t about him
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I'm sorely tempted to tell everyone who pegs Jack as a monster to call out the miscreants on every other team. My biased opinion leans towards putting him in the can't steer himself away from trouble catagory rather than the Monster who needs to be locked up. Jackson gets in fights but as far as I know he doesn't sexually assualt women, murder people or claim to be a gangster. The fight with the crowd in Detroit was inexcusable and he was punished. The fight at the strip club was a fight at a strip club that resulted in non-leathal gunfire between troublesome people from what I've read. Jackson will face trial for that.
As far as I'm concerned you better start claiming that AI, Jermaine O'Neal, and every other hot head in the NBA should be in Jail along with Jack if that's your stance. There have been brawlers in the sports world since the begining and they are often team heros. Until I see something truly evil from him I'm still on Jack's side (trying to tell him to chill the f*** out).
It sucks that Baron and Jack couldn't keep it together and stay in the game last night as it looked to be a classic. I was really impressed with Terry's skills and attitude. I hope for my team and the Series that Jackson isn't suspended and that the tensions on court are chanelled appropriately.
To go on the record I thought there were many, many iffy calls on both sides last night.
by redape on
Apr 26, 2007 10:55 AM CDT
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It's not that much of a stretch to say he should
by DirkDiggler on
Apr 26, 2007 11:04 AM CDT
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non-leathal gunfire
MJD has a good write up about each quarter on the fanhouse and makes a great point about Jackson "trying to break things up", the guy mos def. isn't a calming presence during a tense situation.
If the court decides he needs to go to jail for those violations he will. Saint, no way but threat to society on a whole, come on now!
by redape on
Apr 26, 2007 11:25 AM CDT
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N on-Lethal Gunfire
by altercall on
Apr 26, 2007 6:35 PM CDT
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you dont know shit
no ones saying he's a saint but hes not a bad person none of yall bitches even know him
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 29, 2007 12:19 AM CDT
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agree that Jackson isnt the only one
My point is that it is ridiculous to support Jackson as a misunderstood athlete...he isn't misunderstood...if he was misunderstood he wouldn't pull crap like he did last night...especially the night club incident.
Good basketball player...but no a very bright human being...players like him really make me support the new NBA rule with players having to be 19 to enter the draft...they get one extra year before they have to be a kid in an adult world (totally different subject...but relates to Stephen Jackson)
by smt83 on
Apr 26, 2007 11:15 AM CDT
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role model
But his actions last night are being blown way out of proportion by the self-righteous. He got ejected after arguing a series of iffy calls and had some choice words for the refs. Certainly not the last time that will ever happen.
by jmayer on
Apr 26, 2007 11:23 AM CDT
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be careful what you say about sjax
just be careful...
by zkmavz on
Apr 26, 2007 11:49 AM CDT
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Emotional Player
I cant help but think that people who only saw me play sports (or even watch sports Lol!) would take what they saw, and judge my integrity and who I was solely on those terms. At the same time though, these are paid professionals, and there is no excuse for it whatsoever. There is a sense of control and restraint that needs to take place with these guys. Kids and people do look up to these guys, and do take what they see on tv as being ok. I think we all can agree, whether the refs were right or wrong, the manner in which jackson left the court last night was NOT ok.
So, I dont excuse what he did as being ok by any means, just like I dont excuse what Mavs players do when they get worked up, but for us to say he needs to be in jail or something, thats a bit much. However, I do believe the nba is trying to create a good image and "role model" type league, and Jackson (and everyone else in the nba) is going to need to learn to follow that to some degree.
Lets just hope there is no suspension, but that he gets fined and learns his lesson.
by Toddy on
Apr 26, 2007 11:54 AM CDT
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excuse me...
by Toddy on
Apr 26, 2007 12:00 PM CDT
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Warrior Fan Response
As for the off-court stuff, it's ugly for sure, but not something that prevents me from rooting for my team and Jax, specifically.
I'm sure you, smt83, would be cheering for Jax if he wore Maverick colors. This is pro basketball where winning matters. If you want a team where character issues governs everything, enjoy the lottery (we Warrior fans have!).
Looking forward to reading your rebuke of Jason Terry the next time he punches somebody in the groin.
by teagle on
Apr 26, 2007 12:28 PM CDT
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Not Saying They Are Remotely Similar
If smt83 is going to suggest Jax is an awful human being who should be thrown in jail, then I'm curious what he would say if Terry groin-jabs somebody. Again.
(By the way, I'm a Terry fan. He and Howard are the guys who scare me most on your team.)
by teagle on
Apr 26, 2007 12:54 PM CDT
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Well
And if you were around her last year, you'd have known that Mavs fans were not remotely happy with Terry about that, mostly because they needed him in that series.
And I'd say that on the whole, the Mavs players are some of the squeekiest clean in the league. No domestic disputes, no arrests, no drug convictions, no guns...
The same cannot be said about the Cowboys. Which is part of the reason that I dont watch nearly as much professional football.
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 1:00 PM CDT
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Stackhouse
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/s901774.htm
I didn't check for anybody else, and I'm not sure if the charges were dropped or not.
By the way, I don't care that this happened to Stackhouse. I'd love to have him on the Warriors.
On another point, I'm unhappy with Baron and Jax getting tossed because it reduced our chances of winning last night. (If I were a Mav fan, I would have been mad about Terry being reckless and taking himself out of Game 6 with the punch.) I guess I'm annoyed by the larger commentary smt83 is trying to make based with Jax.
You seem totally reasonable brodyv, which makes you a rarity among Mav fans. :)
by teagle on
Apr 26, 2007 1:09 PM CDT
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I'd forgotten about Stack
I think some of it is the fact that Cuban runs the Mavericks as a business, not a just a sports team. His behavior during games can be childish and petulant, but the way he actually runs the organization is nothing but professional. I think that attitude rubs off. For one, it leads him to hiring people like Avery, who would snap Stackhouse up by the ears so fast it would make his head spin. And Avery's got the respect in the locker room to do it. He played with lots of these guys, he won a ring, he knows what he's doing. I think that makes a lot of difference. Even when Nelson was coaching, AJ was basically just another coach who wore a jersey.
Some of it too, I think, is the fact that the Cowboys ARE so much bigger. The Mavs players have a little bit more of a normal existence in Dallas than they would somewhere else. It also helps that Dallas is really a city without a downtown, so they pretty much live on their own. I'm not a big fan of the AI's, Carmelo's, or Artest's of the world. Most Dallas fans aren't. Cuban makes decisions that reflect his knowledge of his audience.
And, they've gotten lucky. That helps.
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 1:22 PM CDT
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Cuban
But I'd take all of those drawbacks to get a smart guy who runs my team like a business AND is hellbent on improving the product.
by teagle on
Apr 26, 2007 1:42 PM CDT
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Agreed
But both have done HUGE things for their sports that they don't get nearly enough credit for. Without Jerry Jones, the NFL doesn't have a salary cap, and it's not the most popular sport in the US. He was the driving force behind it, even though he knew it would mean the Cowboys would win fewer championships, because he knew that it would make the sport more popular and his business more valuable.
Cubes has been responsible for a big change in the way referee assessment is done. The calls still aren't consistent night to night and crew to crew, but they're faaaar better than they were. His testing of the microfiber ball was also pretty damning in getting it shelved and going back to leather.
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 1:51 PM CDT
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ummm...no
However on a different note...I think we are gonna see this changing in professional sports as a whole...it seems like teams are not going to take a chance on the Ron Artests's, Pac-man Jones', etc...anymore (look at all the talk about the NFL Draft and the potential playes and their drug use...things are really changing). These type of players are a huge reliability on and off the playing field...which can be seen in the case of Stephen Jackson.
However, my thoughts about him as a person do not reflect my thoughts about him as a player...I think he is a a very good player...but his off the court matters have effected his play on the court (ie- time spent with Indiana and San Antonio)
by smt83 on
Apr 26, 2007 1:05 PM CDT
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thank you brodyv
by smt83 on
Apr 26, 2007 1:09 PM CDT
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And you know what?
When Jackson got tossed I had the momentary thought of "Oh crap. What if he just ignites the locker room?"
It really was a case study in people when Barnes and Jackson were leaving. I'm not really a fan of Barnes on the court play, but I wouldn't mind having him on the Mavs, or as a neighbor. Can't say the same for Jackson, even though he's far more talented as a player.
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 1:15 PM CDT
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like shooting people with a gun
by Frisco Zig on
Apr 30, 2007 1:04 AM CDT
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hey teagle
Stack having a MISDEMEANOR assault??? Comparing that to Jackson's FELONY charges of attempting to shoot people with a gun....don't compare apples to oranges here boss...it don't work.
by smt83 on
Apr 26, 2007 1:17 PM CDT
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Settle Down, "Boss"
Having said that, I think you have gone a little far in your condemnation of Jax. He's been a model off-court citizen as a Warrior, addressed the crowd upon his arrival thanking them for the warm reception and has done some work in the Oakland community in the past few months. He's been a critical figure in the locker room for the Warriors since his arrival (perhaps he is making a Stackhouse-like metamorphisis). I'm defending my man Jax and pointing out that there are Maverick players who are not as pure as the driven snow (while noting their actions are from equal in severity). Sorry if that bothers you.
And believe me, if Jax was a Maverick and hit a shot to clinch a playoff series, you would be cheering. Probably because the Dallas PA guy told you to and you dutifully obeyed, but you'd be cheering nonetheless.
by teagle on
Apr 26, 2007 1:52 PM CDT
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I heard his introduction at home games
Jackson walks through the line of this teammates high fiving and then Barnes approaches him.
Jackson puts his arms out and Barnes then "pats him down." Jackson said it was Barnes idea and he thought it was funny.
I agree that it's funny...but that's not exactly something a sqeaky clean player would be doing....imagine Duncan doing that and you'd see my point.
All this being said, I don't like the guy because he screams and the officials 90% of the time. I'm not basing this on last night's game...I'm basing it on watching him since he has been in the league.
by DirkDiggler on
Apr 26, 2007 4:09 PM CDT
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But
Stephen Jackson did NOTHING to warrant those T's he got. In the first incident he was CLEARLY trying to be a peacemaker, not an isntigator. And in the 2nd incident he was just talking to the Warriors fans sitting next to the Warriors bench. I can totally understand why he went off like he did, getting two T's for no reason whatsoever other than his reputation, but this doesn't make his behavior ok.
It only worries me because I know we were on national television and now I fear that the refs are gonna officiate every game with the impression that the Warriors are "thugs" when they are not, and we're gonna be getting calls as if we are "thugs."
It is one thing to be passionate and emotional and another to be a thug. The Warriors are passionate and emotional, albeit they need to find a way to channel that passion and emotion, but they are definately are not thugs.
Obviously as a cellar dwelling fan, I fear the worst because we always get cheated by favoritism calls, no matter who we play. This was so evident during the season. Not so much in the playoffs... until the 3rd quarter of game 2.
I hope this provides some insight, I'm not trying to change your opinion, you're entitled to think whatever you want, I just wanted to give you some insight from the other side.
by ALX8725 on
Apr 26, 2007 2:11 PM CDT
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come on man
now we all know jackson has the attitude, he's made the mistakes and has the reputation, but to make the statements that he is a terrible human being when you
1 don't personally know who he is or where he is coming from
2 you don't watch him play every game
3 you haven't heard what all the other players say about him
He isn't smart at times, he has an anger problem that he has admitted, etc. but the players and people who know him personally say that he is a very kind person. he does a bunch of great things in the community behind the scenes. Most of his mistakes has been while he is defending his team mates. you are very ignorant and rude. I believe that this diary should be deleted
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 26, 2007 2:57 PM CDT
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And your any better?
Saying "You're a Homer" is just as weak an argument as Cuban says "You wouldn't understand" statement is.
Jackson has an overdeveloped sense of justice AND he has anger issues. Every single time he's gotten into trouble, it's been in defense of or to protect other people. The assault charges where because he was attempting to defend his friends. The fight in the Place, he was going to protect Artest. Last night's first technical was the same; he went over to defend his teammates.
If that sounds like a thug to you then you must live in a glass tower somewhere. Here in reality, if your friend disregards personal danger to defend you, that makes him your buddy. Funny, because that's how all of his former team mates still regard him. Mr. Squeaky Clean himself, Tim Duncan still calls to talk to him.
That's the opposite of what Artest, TO and Pac Man's team mates say about them. So don't attempt to bunch them all together.
Oh, I forgot, you don't listen to anybody else. Gee, isn't that the trait of a....Homer?
by JustPuked on
Apr 26, 2007 5:12 PM CDT
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anyway
"1 don't personally know who he is or where he is coming from
2 you don't watch him play every game
3 you haven't heard what all the other players say about him"
So now I can't comment on things unless I personally know all the players involved? Riiiight.
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 5:17 PM CDT
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Come'on you're calling people's thoughts trash?
- Fair enough. None of us personally know any of the players.
- If I tried to give you the authoritative scouting report on Devon Harris based on watching him play four or five times a year, I'd be full of it. So is trying to pass judgment on a player, and even more egregiously passing judgment someone as a person based on even less evidence.
- Someone linked to an article about him below that includes comments from his current and former teammates. Now you know.
Cheers!
by JustPuked on
Apr 26, 2007 6:17 PM CDT
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thanks for
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 26, 2007 5:19 PM CDT
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It's amazing
Jackson may be a great guy one on one. But he's a thug. He punches innocent people in the face. He fires shots in the air. He's confrontational. He's, in general, an asshole. Passing out all the thanksgiving turkeys in the world doesn't change that.
Saying that people are "prejudice" just because they don't appreciate players taking the law into their own hands, on and off the court, isn't exactly the smartest thing I've seen someone say.
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 5:22 PM CDT
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Now it's blatantly obvious you're the Homer
You've gone so far as to laud Stackhouse as a locker room leader in support of an unknown point, after being reminded of the criminal charges in his past. Thug or Bad Decision?
Yet you presume to agree with the opinion of Jackson as a "Horrible Person".
Following your logic, punching an opponent in the nuts is the act of a horrible person
Assaulting little old ladies is the act of a horrible person. Therefore Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse are horrible people....and yet.
In true Homer fashion, you defend Terry and Stackhouse.
In Oakland and the Bay Area in general we know the difference between a thug and a guy that's shown a lack of personal judgment.
Sprewell was a horrible person. Canceco was just stupid. TO was an a-hole. Barry Bonds is just a self absorbed narcissist.
Stephen Jackson is just a guy that could use better personal judgment, just like Jason Terry and just like Stackhouse.
Gosh, it's a good thing you're not prejudiced about how Stackhouse took the law into his own hands when he was getting evicted.
by JustPuked on
Apr 26, 2007 5:59 PM CDT
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Once again
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 6:59 PM CDT
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firing
and besides in both of the instances jackson has been defending or protecting his teamates and or friends
who was terry protecting when he punched that dood in the nuts
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 26, 2007 9:05 PM CDT
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Tell that to
by BrodyV on
Apr 26, 2007 9:34 PM CDT
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Riiiiiiiight.
Loved watching the Mavericks lose all semblance of composure picking up techs left 'n right while being blown out in Oakland. Where exactly was all of that high falut'n poise ya'll was talking trash about?
by JustPuked on
Apr 28, 2007 1:29 AM CDT
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idk
and yeah some of the antics and T's and attitude does look bad and i hate it when he does that but under all of it he seems like a good guy. he realizes he has made mistakes which have mainly been helping out his team mates, and i accept his apologies for what he has done. of course im going to support my team, but if there was a chance that jackson was just a "TERRIBLE PERSON" then i wouldn't like him.
i would like all of you to read this article
http://contracostatimes.com/search/ci_5658087
idk if your opinions will change, but i think you guys are being to harsh and not very respectful
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT
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Hey Dumbass...
I think the ignorant one is YOU Mike Dirkleavy...if you believe this diary should be taken down then don't come over to this site and read the diary's...
Oh yea...I forgot that if you are defending your team mates you should take out a gun and shoot people...your a real bright guy Mike
by smt83 on
Apr 27, 2007 2:39 PM CDT
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Again...
by yuletak on
Apr 28, 2007 3:04 AM CDT
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hey
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 29, 2007 12:23 AM CDT
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The root
/sarcasm
by Chicago Joe on
Apr 26, 2007 10:38 PM CDT
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jack is a knucklehead
On October 6, 2006, there were police reports that Jackson and three other Pacers players were involved in an argument with several patrons at Club Rio, a strip club in Indianapolis. Jackson was punched by one of the patrons and was hit by a car, rolling onto the hood. His injuries were considered minor. Jackson says he fired several gunshots from a 9-mm pistol as an act of self-defence. However, prosecutors later said he fired first. Jackson was charged October 11, 2006 with a felony count of criminal recklessness.
Mainstream media outlets generally portray Jackson in a negative way, highlighting the fact that, in only the past three years, he has been charged with felony criminal recklessness and a number of other misdemeanors, including assault, disorderly conduct, and two counts of battery.
by audionet on
Apr 27, 2007 3:47 PM CDT
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wow
by Warriors Own Mavs on
Apr 28, 2007 7:17 PM CDT
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lol perverted?
by ON THE RUN on
Apr 28, 2007 10:05 PM CDT
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all yall
damn
by Mike Dirkleavy on
Apr 29, 2007 12:21 AM CDT
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