So how much did Mark Cuban pay the refs?
First that ghost foul call on Baron?? He didn't even touch Josh Howard and he gets taken out of the game. And then TWO technicals at the same time on Stephen Jackson??? Seriously, I wanna know, how much does Cuban have to pay for things like that? Theres no better way to rig a game than to pay the refs to take out the two best players on the Warriors in crunch time.
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Four million, eight hundred thousand, six hundred
Did you watch the same game as I did?
by BrodyV on
May 1, 2007 11:48 PM CDT
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If he could do that
by Wes Cox on
May 1, 2007 11:49 PM CDT
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Nice
by Burnt Orange Nation on
May 1, 2007 11:49 PM CDT
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obviously I was being sarcastic
by ALX8725 on
May 1, 2007 11:49 PM CDT
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Well
As far as the Davis foul... Well, it's a damn shame when you play with 5 fouls, isn't it? Josh Howard was on that same edge for all of the fourth quarter. My eye thought that Davis was intentionally fouling in that situation. I'll admit, it was very quick, and TNT's coverage sucks so badly that I'm surprised they even had a camera covering the floor and not some T-ball game in Garland at the time. It may have been tickytack. It may not have been. But that's the risk a player with 5 fouls takes when trying to trap in the back court in the last 5 minutes of the game when he's already carrying 5 fouls.
by BrodyV on
May 1, 2007 11:56 PM CDT
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Stackhouse was running his mouth off all game too
by ALX8725 on
May 2, 2007 12:15 AM CDT
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Stack Didn't
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:16 AM CDT
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JET throws trips up Baron
by ALX8725 on
May 2, 2007 12:18 AM CDT
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True
Terry's got a reputation for getting too chippy on the floor, first with the Finley incident last playoffs, and now this one. That being said, Davis initiated the contact by going into Terry's body without cause so he could "go get the ball." Terry overreacted, but Davis sold the foul on the way down. There wasn't nearly as much contact as it looked like. The replays, and the video review by the league, make it plain that Davis wasn't blameless, and Terry wasn't as forceful as it appears.
In the end, I think the league will fine Terry, but not Jackson. Neither will be suspended. And Jacksons ejection occurred after the game was decided.
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:24 AM CDT
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Fuck that.
Jackson shouldn't even have gotten glared at.
by coma on
May 2, 2007 12:40 AM CDT
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Got a reason for that?
I layed out why I think it wont be.
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:41 AM CDT
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Terry
by MFFL1013 on
May 2, 2007 4:31 AM CDT
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On on now
by Frisco Zig on
May 2, 2007 12:15 PM CDT
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that lil bitch terry...
by jrich is the next mj on
May 3, 2007 2:51 PM CDT
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I agree
Warriros lose because they were unable to score in the last 3 minutes.
I don't even want to talk abotu Steven Jackson. I think it was a BS call but he hurts the team by talking the entire game. Refs are human and he is not going to win that one. He needs to shut up
by Frisco Zig on
May 2, 2007 12:13 PM CDT
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doesnt matter what mavs fans think...
by Toddy on
May 2, 2007 12:15 AM CDT
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Well...
The refs always suck. You'll wear yourself out worrying about them.
by hubcityraider on
May 1, 2007 11:53 PM CDT
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jax ejection was EXACTLY like Baron's in game 2
by smt83 on
May 1, 2007 11:54 PM CDT
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Don Nelson
by Wes Cox on
May 1, 2007 11:56 PM CDT
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also....
by smt83 on
May 1, 2007 11:56 PM CDT
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only...
by jrich is the next mj on
May 3, 2007 2:52 PM CDT
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baron davis foul
and as for sarcastic clapping - don't condone the nba calling it - and i thought the nba was fine with clapping given what happened with the crawford/duncan thing - but i guess the precedent had been set.
either way, the game was over by then. think its kind of dumb for nelson to fine jackson. game was over by then. it doesn't matter.
by ab03 on
May 2, 2007 12:01 AM CDT
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The Mavs won...
To hell with the refs, they screw crap up all the time, and the Mavs have gotten the short end of the ref stick more than a few times as well.
If the refs do show the slightest favoritism towards Dallas, well... that's because they've earned it with their unreal reg season record and playoff performances of the past.
GOOD GAME DALLAS... YOU EARNED IT.
But, as I said in an extremely scathing diary, you will be crowned the new "KINGS" a la Sac town, unless you can pull it off two more times.
Game 6 in Oaktown kiddies, the Dubs and their "classless, juevenile" fans will be going bananas. You think winning in Miami during the finals was tough... you ain't seen the half of it.
May the best team win... which currently is the Warriors
by Warriors PWNAGE on
May 2, 2007 12:05 AM CDT
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thanks for being classy
by Toddy on
May 2, 2007 12:17 AM CDT
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interesting about jackson
by ab03 on
May 2, 2007 12:05 AM CDT
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Plus though I agree that he
It would be a shame if anyone (terry or Jax) was suspended in such a great series
by Frisco Zig on
May 2, 2007 12:18 PM CDT
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mavericks point of view?
by llamalimbo1 on
May 2, 2007 12:15 AM CDT
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Honestly?
That said, the officiating has swung between "no breathing hard" and "muggings allowed" during this series. Tonight was mostly a muggings allowed night. I've noticed a pretty consistent trend that the refs are quick on the whistle for t's, and very, very slow on the whistle for perimeter fouls, and even slower for over the back calls. It's been very noticeable in the PHO-LAL series as well.
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:19 AM CDT
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this series has been all about 1985 muggings
by Toddy on
May 2, 2007 12:23 AM CDT
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you coudn't tell
but people would have screamed bloody murder for calling a foul on a three. also, one of those fouls where its the follow through that makes contact. seems like they don't like to call those fouls if they can help it. might have been called in the 2nd quarter - not with 2 minutes left.
barnes i don't think was a foul.
by ab03 on
May 2, 2007 12:28 AM CDT
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after seeing it again
by llamalimbo1 on
May 2, 2007 12:41 AM CDT
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Part of it
Is it a charge or a block? A foul or a no-call? A continuation or not? If you change refs every game, then there's almost no way for a player to adjust to the officiating effectively.
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:45 AM CDT
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Whos got the pressure now?
by Toddy on
May 2, 2007 12:33 AM CDT
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I'm hoping Avery goes with a Game 1 style lineup
by Warriors PWNAGE on
May 2, 2007 12:34 AM CDT
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Kevin Willis
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:36 AM CDT
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jax wont get suspended..
by Toddy on
May 2, 2007 12:38 AM CDT
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Maybe we can get the Suns Gorilla
by Wes Cox on
May 2, 2007 1:14 AM CDT
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no one will get suspended
Everyone's calling us bad losers, but we are a very young team, and everyone except BD, Jax, and Al have never played in games of this magnitude before, so for them to get very emotional isn't really unexpected.
I tivo'd the J Rich shot (with 23 sec left). Dirk hit him in the arm, and the foul definitely was what made him miss the shot. That said, it'd probably be to the Warriors disadvantage if they started calling those more tightly since we challenge jumpers so aggressively, so I'm not really going to complain too much about it. It's just part of the luck of the game.
Josh Howard then rebounded, and Baron then looked like he was trying to intentonally foul, but never touched him. But the ref that made the call was at an angle where it would be impossible to see the contact, and probably assumed he was trying to intentionally foul, so he made a call that would be the right call 95% of the time. Again, just unlucky.
As a Warriors fan, I'm proud of the comeback, and knowing that we easily could've won this game leaves me feeling good going into game 6.
My biggest fear is that the strategy of doubling Baron doesn't turn out to be a long-term solution. It sure looked good in this game.
by gsw4life on
May 2, 2007 12:54 AM CDT
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The double
I guess I just don't know what Davis thought he was doing if he wasn't trying to intentionally foul. I'm sure that's what the ref was thinking too. If you play aggressive defense you're going to get called for stuff like that- it's happened to George on clean strips, Harris on charges, etc, etc. So if Davis knew he had 5, why was he running to challenge an inbounds pass that hard in the back court? Strange...
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:58 AM CDT
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ya
Just like it's the ref's natural instinct to call a foul when a player appears to be intentionally fouling in a situation that warrants an intentional foul, even if it's not clear it was actually a foul. I mean, in his mind, he probably thinks he's doing the Warriors a favor by giving them the benefit of the doubt, because in most cases the Warriors want the foul called. This happens in games all the time when the refs are expecting an intentional foul, but the players are instructed to go for the steal first. The refs' expectation leads to a quick whistle.
Ya it'll be interesting to see if the Mavs start to double team Baron more. I would think we're not a good team to double against because we don't have any non-offensive players, but you could make a pretty strong argument for taking the ball out of Baron's hands and making someone else beat you.
by gsw4life on
May 2, 2007 2:00 AM CDT
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for what it's worth
by gsw4life on
May 2, 2007 3:57 AM CDT
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What's going on here?
"Mavs post-game is reporting that NBA Security is investigating an altercation between Jason Richardson and a fan at the American Airlines Center. Early reports are that he shoved the fan.
Hearing it on the ESPN NBA Mavs affiliate station."
Some people on the DB.com boards say that this happened with :21 left in the game.
by Marie on
May 2, 2007 1:19 AM CDT
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Ach, JRich is the last guy to shove a fan
BD and JET: When the ball goes out of bounds, we grab it as quickly as possible and get goig the other way. BD went down aggressively to get the ball because the team wanted to get out and run before the Mavs were set. JET was frustrated by what he thought was action against him. It wasn't as bad as it looked initially, but you can't push a guy down in this game especially after the whistle.
Phantom foul: I agree with the quote, BD went up to intentionally foul in the situation, realized he couldn't, held up but the ref didn't. It doesn't matter if everybody expected it to happen, you can't call a foul that doesn't happen. And JRich was fouled big time on the previous three. These things didn't cost us the game, just irritated us because all of the blatantly really bad calls got saved for the end.
Stephen Jackson's clap: Charles took Stephen's side after the game and they replayed the action a couple of times. Stephen didn't so much as look at the refs, let alone say anything. He looked at his teammates as he passed them and then up into the stands. His mouth didn't move. Nellie's fine is a Nellie mind game to get Stephen Jackson to be as careful as possible tomorrow night.
by Nice W Fan on
May 2, 2007 11:30 AM CDT
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Mavs have better chance because Dirk's white?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/sports/basketball/02refs.html?ex=1178769600&en=e738eb8c20e09f0 d&ei=5070&emc=eta1
According to this article, refs have a slight racial bias in favor of white players. Based on the article, the Mavs will have an edge because their best player is white.
Back OT, how do you explain that Terry did not get assessed a flagrant foul when he threw Davis down, and then Jackson gets tossed for clapping? I call B.S. on that.
Just because someone has a reputation for starting stuff, doesn't mean they did, or did not, do anything in a particular case. If you were in a court of law, that sort of evidence would not be allowed. In this case, we shouldn't even be talking about S-Jax; we should be talking about the ref getting suspended like the ref who tossed Duncan for laughing.
by OscarSucks on
May 2, 2007 11:37 AM CDT
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Except
Now Nash? I'd believe that.
Also, Article Four of the Federal Rules of Evidence specifies extensive allowances and procedures for introducing character evidence in a court of law.
by BrodyV on
May 2, 2007 12:00 PM CDT
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he certainly got a nocall
by llamalimbo1 on
May 2, 2007 5:16 PM CDT
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Jeez, don't lawyer me to death...
Also, the general rule regarding character evidence, for those who aren't lawyers is this:
the "prosecutor" can't introduce evidence of bad character to prove a defendant did something unless the "defense attorney" tries to introduce evidence of good character first.
S-Jax didn't do anything to warrant getting tossed last night & saying he deserved it because of some other things he's done is ridiculous.
I've got a question: why don't Mavs' fans rag on the other lawyers at AAC to get off their bloody Blackberrys & yell for their team? (sounds like brodyv did his part...)
At least there's admissible evidence that the fans were disinterested/apathetic while the Mavs/Dubz played one of the better playoff games this year...
by OscarSucks on
May 2, 2007 4:04 PM CDT
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