Mavs at Bulls Open Thread
by Wes Cox on Nov 13, 2008 6:27 PM CST
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J-5 is starting
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/howard-to-start.html
www.mavsmoneyball.com
I'm here
Finally done killing time by watching that boring-ish Cavs/Nuggets game…hope everyone’s having a good evening so far
Yeah, they did
But I can see it now, so I don’t know why you can’t. It’s the Chicago channel airing it.
This blows
For some reason I only get the Denver-Cleveland game. Dallas is supposed to start 9:30 ET
Damp is such an offensive weakling
Escapes from Gooden, only to miss an undefended hook shot
Good thing he tipped it in himself
It wouldn't have been awkward
if it wasn’t too low. Good thing Damp caught it (whoa!) and saved the play.
I know, right
He was 2-2 at first and then he missed a three that he had a good look on and then that jumper
I could offer a guy who can pass but not shoot...
Our very own Sergio Rodriguez. He would also work well in a running offense. And he wants more playing time. Though I guess he will eventually end up on some bad team a la Beno Udrih.
Green
Why can we not have Green and Kidd in at the same time?
The way the commentators are talking about the Mavs depresses me
The thing is, they’re just being honest
Damp
is the second leading scorer for the mavs…oh jeez
he is -7 on the +/-
of course, I have never known carlisle to let a +/- to get in the way of playing stack
You've pointed it out before, it's like he's tired
Thing is, Kidd won gold in China and theoretically should be tired as well, but it doesn’t seem like it
Man, those Bulls commentators talk trash as if their team was still dominating
Newsflash, you had a horrible last season and lucked into Rose.
A lid on the basket
say the bulls commentators…i tend to agree
i must say watching the mavs online is much
more depressing than just seeing the box scores and reading the recaps like i have done for the past games
I don't know what is worse,
losing in the finals…or just sucking
I'm more embarrassed with the Golden State flameout
Was a total chokejob. The Finals, on the other hand…
To me, one is just as bad as the other
I avoided all basketball after the Golden State series until the next season started…and I might’ve cried when we lost the finals
The 67 win season didn't start good either
No need for desperation yet. I don’t think the Mavs will win that many again, but like the Spurs they look worse now than they are.
the Spurs are missing
Ginobli and Parker…we are missing Devean George. I see a difference
I level it out by being also a Mavs fan :)
I predict both teams to reach the playoffs. With the Mavs in front.
We had a nice record
at the time of the Kidd trade. Something like #3 in the West. I rejoiced at the Suns making the Shaq trade.
Yeah
I never got that. We were beating the good teams more than we were losing to them so I never got why we traded.
Memphis were idiots
They knew that they could’ve tanked to get a high pick in a talented and deep incoming draft class.
I have no idea, really
I mean, the Lakers gave up Kwame Brown and some other guy (Crittenden?) and maybe money…we probably could have done the same thing, maybe?
I think our record was
34-18 or something like that. And we’d lost several of those just before that because Harris was out and that made our iso offence look stagnant (kinda like what happened after Kidd got here).
I'm starting to think
the city of Dallas may be cursed sports-wise. They haven’t done anything for nine years.
This team....
Sucks!!!! Up 19 on a rebuilding Chicago team and now down 1 and it’s only halftime. Unbelievable how this franchise has fallen in a year and a half. These are the same guys that went to the NBA freaking finals 2 years ago. I can’t wait until we break this core up.
That sounds remotely realistic
He is from Texas, right? Problem is: Nobody in his right mind will pick up the contracts of Damp & Co.
Josh Howard..
is the main problem here. We need clutch players who don’t shy away from 4th quarters. He is our 2nd player supposedly. Going to need more than 2 points in the 4th quarter from our 2nd best player. FRUSTRATING!
and all other teams know that...his price will be ridiculously high
We should try for him if we can, but don’t go crazy for him. Pick up the others is a better idea
Deron Williams is from Dallas, I think
But that’s a wild and unrealistic hope! I love him too, I think he’s awesome
If they cut Damp, it's possible to be under the cap in 2010
But maybe not by enough. And it would be a pretty empty roster, without guys like Bass.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/mavericks.jsp
I think
these players are ready to see new teams…or at least to be on what is left of the mavs…they are waiting for the inevitable
Was Cuban exaggerating, then
When he said like, half the team would walk out/demand trades if Avery stayed?
no, but that was evidently just an excuse for most of the team
seems like only dirk really meant it.
Dirk is totally sucking
I hate it…go back into that hyperbaric chamber or something, whatever miracle cure did the trick last season
wow...antoine is doing great defense...
we should not play green cause wright is stopping rose. What the…?
so i guess
my internet is not live cause you guys are ahead of me.
There's Kidd with..
the long 2 pointer.. love that he’s hitting the shots but get behind the line to make it 3.
I remember Dirk going that route in a game against the Spurs last year
He is capable….like once in every 50 games or so.
Seems to be an awful lot of vitriol for Damp tonight.
He’s got a decent line so far.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions
if we pick him up only give him
one year contracts…so that he is always playing for it
The Western Conference landscape was a little different when he signed.
He’s got two years left after 08-09. I hope he continues to play for a new contract for 2+ seasons.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Dirk's only 30
And they talk about him like he’s an old man or something…if only he didn’t play so much during the off season
You can't say that
A ton of people were playing this summer. No excuse.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
I'm going to stop watching,
and see if they do good. I wasn’t watching during this mini run. Starting now.
How can we look like a completely different team after the first six minutes?
I mean, how do you explain the Jekyll and Hyde sides of this team…or why it even happens to begin with
The commentators brought up a point...
About how there are no screen and rolls run for Dirk anymore. I guess I never noticed this during the game. Why put a stop to a working formula?
Carlisle looking to have Dirk play a little like Bird, I believe
Dirk of old handled the ball quite a lot, dominated it, was centerpiece of the offense, operating at the high post and the key/FT line. Worked wonders.
Now he’s being fed in certain spots, having him do a cut and a catch, standing idle behind the three point line. Still a work in progress, I suppose.
I think so
Clippers have Baron, Kaman, Camby, Mobley, Thornton, etc.
The Bulls are a bunch of young players, led by a noob coach.
If we lose to the Bobcats
I might not watch another game this year.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
Yeah...
But it’s sort of working…if they can get them in the penalty, they’ll have a shot.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like they're driving it to me.
If they could stop the TOs…
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
Cue up the Bob Ortegal quotes...
“Make a marathon out of going to the basket”
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Del getting into the action
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
You know who has SUCKED so far this year?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
Huh?
It was supposed to say Bass after that. Don’t know what happened.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
I though you were going to mention....
UNT and sig line there…. :)
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
That's a tough thing too....
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
Cuban should implement a rule
Every jumpshot taken and missed in the 4Q, regardless of who shoots, will have to pay $5000 or something
Why are we getting blown out by Vinny Del Negro?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
This is like a completely different team
Dirk said that they’re not good enough to coast, yet sometimes it seems they’re doing just that
Turnover diff. is ridiculous.
Defense has to do better.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions
x
You know I feel sorry for Dirk. If it keeps going at this rate, I’m all for getting him out of this hell hole and taking our chances with the Lottery.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
playing like this
we don’t even need to get rid of dirk to get a good chance in the lottery
When's the last game Dirk played 30+ and only scored 12?
And wasn’t in foul trouble?
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions
dear lord
thank for letting it be my wifes birthday making it impossible for me to watch one second of this crap
amen
I was wondering where you were
No threats to leave and watch something else, no talking about throwing/hitting stuff or getting drunk, haha
Speaking of Carlisle
who is this on? Doesn’t Carlisle deserve some of the blame or do we just suck?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
I'm not sure...
but the more I watch, the more calls I see that don’t make sense.
defensive adjustments, subs and the like seem to come too late…
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Dirk
that’s the 2nd airball this week. He is not in it.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
Rubio Rubio Rubio
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
I was praying the ball wouldn't go to Dirk
It went to him…and he missed a layup, though he might’ve been fouled
Every game's winnable
When the people, players and coaches, who are paid millions and millions of dollars do their damn jobs
Next game
Is against the Magic. The Magic have the better record, but they also haven’t been too consistent…the thing is, they somehow find a way to win while we don’t.
Oh yeah, and they also have some guy named Dwight Howard...
While we have two tall guys masquerading as centers
20-25
But he wouldn’t help much. The team needs a starting SG (if Green/Wright/Terry can’t step it up) and a center.
Is blowing up this team the answer or what
I mean, how long is Carlisle’s grace period before he can’t use anymore “new coach/trying to figure it out” excuses?
Got nothing to do with Carlisle...
Well, maybe some… But the problems this team is having are some of the same problems they had with Avery…
No heart. Can’t close out games. No leaders… Just a bunch of losers.
20-25 games, that's what I'm allowing him/them
If we still suck after that, then I think it’s time to use Kidd’s contract as an asset, which is sad.
You don't need any more games
to realize this isn’t going anywhere. Just have to deal with this group of guys until we’re able to dump some guys.
by Slick-ish24 on Nov 13, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
And I'll post this after every loss until it's actually done...
Blow this got damn team up…
A bunch of no heart, mental midget losers…
Anyone else seeing the post-game feed in the hallway there?
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:10 PM CST reply actions
No, quite the opposite.
Seems that the folks in the truck don’t know that some random camera is on outside the locker room.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
KTXA feed.
21 locally. Just a bunch of media people standing there. No players or coaches….just media people. It’s been going on for a few minutes.
Weird.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:13 PM CST reply actions
Ha!
Cameraman singing to himself….
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'll watch that movie on Saturday, hopefully
But it’s hard for me to miss any Mavs game, this one especially, since they’re against the home team
Must be tough to watch.
Who do you root for?
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
The Mavericks
Though sometimes I end up kind of cheering for whichever team has the ball. But I usually just go to Magic games when Dallas is in town (with the exception of last post season when I watched a couple of games against Toronto and the pre-season game this year against CSKA Moscow), so I prefer the Mavericks. I must like to torture myself.
That's the correct answer!
I’ve been to a few Magic games when I used to work in Orlando. It was good times. I even got molested by the Stuff the Magic Dragon to amusement of the crowd once.
I’m a Dwight Howard fan, though. I’ll definitely watch.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Where in Orlando did you live?
I work at UCF. Wow, molested by Stuff…something to be proud of, I’m sure. The amazingly annoying Jet Blue crew really got on my nerves during that CSKA game…they were right in my section, telling us when to clap and cheer as if we were stupid and have never seen a basketball game in our lives.
I didn't live there, just worked.
I used to work in the event industry, so we did tradeshows and conferences there several times a year.
Yeah, the stuff thing was surreal. I was many beers in and zoned in on the Spurs/Magic game. Next thing I know my buddies sitting next to me are laughing hysterically…and then I notice that A LOT of people in the arena were laughing. I feel something bumping the back of my head and I turned around – Stuff was behind me, one row above, doing the humpy-dance against the back of my head. I had fuzz on my clothes when I left.
Funny thing was, my friend mentioned that it seemed a little engaged for a mascot to treat a fan. I was pretty drunk so I didn’t think it was out of the ordinary at the time, but later that season, a guy got arrested for attacking Stuff for pulling similar antics.
Like I said, good times.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
I know. God knows how many times I've planned to miss a Mavs game
only to tune in anyway. AAaahhhh, this is so frustrating.
It could be brutal.
I’m not missing a game against the man-child though. Might even see if I can find some tickets.
by DitchThePlaybook on Nov 13, 2008 10:25 PM CST reply actions
They have a better record
But the Magic haven’t been as great as they should be…they are still inconsistent, but they find a way to win.
I think it's time for Carlisle to go Avery on these guys
MICROMANAGE.
The end of the 4th speaks for itself. Carlisle got off his ass and started controlling the game. Too late, but it shows that it’s exponentially THE better option compared to just trusting the ball-chucking idiots in white and blue…
I think Carlisle is totally deferring to Dirk, Kidd, Josh, JET, Stack, etc.; it’s like he’s harboring some sort of “respect for seniority” for those guys. You know what I mean..
Enough of that.
Avery was a good coach
But he was still developing. That damn huge ego of his got in the way, though, ruined it all.
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