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I Can't Get A Handle On This Team

I've watched the games, and I've examined the stats. I've waited and waited for some kind of trend to show itself, but I can't wait any longer. We're 16 games into the season, and I still don't have a handle on what kind of team the Mavericks have become under Rick Carlisle. Part of me is thinking (hoping) that this is a good thing.

Star-divide

At the beginning of the season my initial thoughts were pretty simple: What a mess. The Mavs weren't playing at all like a team on either side of the floor. I had significant expectations for the offense and--while giving them a slight pass on defense--certainly expected more than what we saw. I was honestly wondering what the heck system Carlisle was using, because it was more often than not simple chaos.

As time went by the team started to look more like a team, but the personnel decisions were decidedly odd. You'd have players not playing for three games, then come in and chalk up major minutes. Diop was part of the solution, and then he wasn't. Green was a star in the making. Then he wasn't. As I said, at least the team was playing more like an actual team. We saw some real defense and the offense looked like it had more of a rhythm.

Still, as the past 16 games have unfolded, the underlying chaos of Carlisle's system is still there. Part of me thinks that Carlisle is treating the Mavs as a 12-14 player unit, as opposed to a core of 5 with three or maybe four coming off the bench. In this way, Carlisle is like a crazier version of Nellie. Nellie would exploit matchups on the floor during the play of the game. Carlisle looks like he is exploiting much more difficult to define team-wide match-ups.

In this way, Carlisle has his core of Dirk, Kidd, and Josh, and then he kind of builds the team around them depending on who they are playing and who may be hot at the time. If that mean Diop sits for 48 minutes, so be it. If that means that Green starts, well that's fine, too. Whatever works.

You can see it in the minute distribution. Against Los Angeles, a tough game for anyone, you'd expect the standard starting five plus three rotation (By the way, that's exactly what you saw out of Phil Jackson). But the Mavs saw 9 players logging at least 15 minutes, and a tenth (Gerald Green) started the game and was on the floor at the end.

We're also seeing some wonderfully strange combinations, such as playmaker Jose Juan Barea on the floor with playmaker Jason Kidd at the same time. Let's be honest, how many of you out there in Mavsland would have realistically predicted those two players on the floor at the same time this season?

I guess I'd be more enthusiastic about all this experimentation if we were seeing some significant trends that illustrated the team was moving conclusively in a positive direction. We are vaguely seeing this on defense, but the reality is that the Mavs defense during the winning streak wasn't that much better than the Mavs defense during the losing streak. They currently have the eighth best defense in the league, which is pretty good, but this is a team that has been top five in the past and with a more athletic team, should be there again.

On offense the team is incredibly inconsistent. There is honestly no trend to be seen. The team is currently 16th in the league in offense, and while I may have said I'd give up some efficiency on offense for a team offense that was more difficult to shut down, a drop to 16th wasn't exactly what I had in mind.

Ideally, what we'd see is what we saw in Sacramento--a smackdown on defense and a machine on offense. Unfortunately, we can't play 82 games against a Kings team without Kevin Martin. What I really want to see is the Mavs start to put together a string of these game performances while continuing to be entirely unpredictable with their roster. That would really rock.

Ultimately, my hope is that this is the future for the Mavs: A team with an almost completely unpredictable roster and nearly impossible to prepare for. Can you imagine trying to lay out a game plan not knowing whether Damp and Diop are going to play 48 or whether Bass and Dirk are going to play at center for 30 minutes? I know, it's easy to overemphasize these things, but that's the main vibe I'm getting from the first 16 games of the season.

As it is, the Mavs are certainly not awful. Their defense is quite good, and, well, the offense is hit or miss but hopefully can get a lot better. About the best news I can say is that this is an odd year for the NBA. There are exactly two teams with a top ten offense and a top ten defense: The Lakers and Cleveland. That leaves a whole bunch of teams that are still finding themselves, including the Mavs.

It's a long season, and it can still go any number of ways. I just wish I had a better handle on which way the Mavs were going.

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I kind of like the experimenting

There’s so many unknowns on this team … Wright, Green, Shawne Williams, Singleton and Barea are the obvious ones, not to mention the inconsistency at center, Brandon Bass’ regression, and whether Devean George can actually contribute.

I’d bet we start to see Antoine Wright getting consistent minutes from here out, but the rest of the rotation is probably going to remain in flux until someone proves they can step up.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 1, 2008 1:01 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at the very least, i'm excited about the future.

wright, williams, and green get me seriously excited for the mavs games that i do watch, and i don’t think i could say that of recent years.

i haven’t been keeping up with the mavs as much as i’d like this year simply because i do not have the time, but i’m glad that they seem to be righting the ship recently.

let carlisle do his thing i guess. whatever works!

Really all America want is cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to take a s**t with a door on it. - Mr. Ford

by buckets on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Things will continue to get weirder.

Obviously we have a completely different dynamic on the court when we are minus Josh Howard than when he is healthy and in the rotation, and he should be coming back fairly soon.

Another thing to keep in mind is that in years past, Stack has been a crucial cog in our offense and now that it appears we are on the brink of shipping him out, Donnie Nelson will probably bring in another big name contributor (Marbury, anybody?).

Truthfully I don’t think we will see the final product until midway during the season, and we all know how that turned out last year. We as fans will have to be patient as Carlisle introduces these new elements into the mix. Here’s to hoping that the Mavs find their chemistry before season’s end… It’s going to be a wild ride so hold on to your hats.

PS. Good post Jake! Rec’d!

by JayKim41 on Dec 1, 2008 6:17 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

Marbury? It’s so hard to imagine, as the chemistry would certainly be soured quite a bit.

But part of me things…could it work? Just for 2/3 a year…until we find an apprentice PG to learn under Kidd should he re-sign for an extra 2 years?

He’s 31, about to be 32…he can obviously still play the game…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 2, 2008 2:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post

…and this article seem to go hand in hand. It’s evident that this team is still trying to figure out their identity. Moore credits the win streak to the fact that they have reverted back to using set plays and relying heavily on the pick and roll.

Would someone mind explaining to me what the Princeton offense is? I’m afraid I’m not very savvy in regards to X’s and O’s of basketball.

by Marie on Dec 1, 2008 7:46 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Princeton offense

Typically involves 4 players outside the three-point line and a post player roaming from the top of the key down to the block. It relies a lot on backdoor cuts and perimeter screens.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 1, 2008 9:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

Buckets summed it up very well when he said that he was excited. That is the way I too feel. For good or bad…for playoff success or blowing it up, I am happy while watching the team play. I have hope for the future.

I think that Carlisle is much more experimental and flexible. I am very happy to see him using the young ’uns. Good Luck Mavs!!!!!!!!!!

by ETBURyan on Dec 1, 2008 8:11 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the streak (six of seven I think) and I like beating teams we are supposed to beat. I like playing the Lakers very closely twice now. I like JET and the way he is playing. I like Kidd and Dirk and the team making shots and setting up. But it just all doesn’t feel right. A shooting guard with consistency would be nice (and it won’t be Wright). I think maybe Cuban doesn’t have many parts to get what we would expect, but something will happen along the way. I wouldn’t hate seeing Cuban reload for 2010, which would mean saying goodbye to some players. Overall, probably a six seed in the west, maybe an upset in the first round, then seeing Kidd and his massive contract walk away.

Line item note——I think if we traded Howard away, we would regret it almost as much as we all wish that was Devin in the backcourt.

by derailer on Dec 1, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was mean, I'm sorry.

But I enjoy Kidd’s leadership and hard work just as much as I’d like to have Devin’s scoring prowess. Welcome to MMB by the way!

by JayKim41 on Dec 1, 2008 4:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty easy to figure out

if you don’t try to figure so hard.

New coach put in a new system. It didn’t work all that great, but it gave New Coach some ideas on what would work great. Now that the players have shown New Coach what they can do, he will put in a system that will take advantage of those strengths. – Elgin.

All the kids who played the blues would learn my licks with a bottleneck slide. - Richard Palmer-James

by 22baylor on Dec 1, 2008 6:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll give you a handle...

7-10

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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