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The Window has CLOSED.

Alright, for the last couple of weeks, I thought this might be a bit of an overreaction, but now, I'm comfortable in this conclusion.

The window has closed, this core group of players has run its course, and it just isn't going to happen with this bunch.

Avery is completely inept on the sidelines, and it seems to some extent that he's began to wear on some of the players. The Mavs continue to lose close games to their peers out West, and losing this many close games over and over and over falls 100% on Avery's shoulders. Losing close games is more about coaching than it is anything else.

This team isn't making the playoffs unless Dirk is back before the Warriors or Lakers matchups later in the week, and even then it's no guarantee. But I really don't think he's going to be back before the full 2 weeks. If he were just hurt, I'd be all over his ass for not being back on the court, but he'd be an absolute idiot to jump back on the floor before he's ready after the way that knee/ankle looked last week.

Honestly, being in the Lottery might be the best thing for this team right now. It's going to be their only real way of adding a legitimate asset to the roster this offseason, unless they're willing to part with Josh Howard, Dirk, or Kidd's expiring contract to bring in fresh faces. I honestly would rather be in the Lottery than squeak into the playoffs and sit through another first round exit that gets us nowhere...

I'm most interested to see how Cuban is going to handle this whole thing... A few years back, he'd flip his lid and make blockbuster trades every offseason if this team wasn't in the Conference Finals every year. He's calmed down and learned to have some patience with the roster, but at this point it seems like the old Cuban may be what this team needs.

As other teams in the West are younger, and continue to grow and get better (Lakers, Jazz, Hornets, Blazers coming up, Rockets if they could ever stay healthy), Dallas has gotten older, less athletic, and are obviously on the decline. For a team that already has serious issues with confidence and mental toughness, it'd be almost impossible to envision them overcoming another disappointment of epic proportions. I think it really might be time to blow this thing up, rather than continue to hold on to what little hope this team has left.

In sports, you're either competing for a championship or you're rebuilding. Anything in between is completely useless. And that's where the Mavs are right now. They aren't a serious threat to anyone in the playoffs, and they don't have any young pieces to rebuild around.

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LOL That may be a little bit scattered and all over the place, but I hope you get where I'm going...

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I think you're
right on point.  Couldn't have put it better myself.  Man, following this team is just asking to have your heart ripped out of your chest and stomped on day in and day out.  The awful clubs of the early-mid 90's give way to the hope of the Three J's...then Toni Braxton blows up the team...then the hope of Dirk, Finley and Nash, but then Finley stopped driving to the hole and Nash went out west to get his MVP on...just needing 2 freaking games to win a championship and make it all worth it, which was promptly followed up by screwing that one up...winning 67 games in the regular season, then imploding against the Warriors and NOW THIS?!?!?!?!?  Why do I keep coming back for more?  Well, it's now baseball time at Hooters.  I hope a different team takes the floor next fall at the AAC.  
"These are my awards mother. From Army. The seal is for marksmanship and the gorilla is for sand racing."

by Bob Loblaw on Mar 30, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you know we were fine
until we made the trade...there was nothing wrong with 5th in the west...

but bob loblaw said it all man.. exactly how i feel... why do i keep torturing myself.. i cant even go to bed im so distraught...

by zkmavz on Mar 31, 2008 12:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I still don't think...
that team was going anywhere with Harris/Diop...

The team had been terribly flat all season long, and needed a serious shake-up. In hindsight, Jason Kidd may not have been the right guy to bring in, but I don't think it's even debatable that something had to be done, one way or another... And contrary to what some of you still want to believe, Devin Harris was not going to be a great PG here. It just wasn't going to happen with Avery on the sidelines.

The team we had pre-ASB wasn't much more a championship contender than this one is. That was still a team that would probably only win one playoff series.

Short-term, it looks bad at this point. But looking forward, would you really feel better about this team if it had a slightly above-average PG to begin the rebuilding process? Devin Harris isn't a rare talent. He's not a guy that you use as the centerpiece of a rebuilding effort. Kidd's 20 million expiring will mean more to this team's rebuilding than Harris and/or Diop would have. At first I thought they were non-factors, but the draft picks are what really hurts now...

by N41D on Mar 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sad but so true...
i def agree with everyone that the window has closed, and im also with zk and have to say that i never felt that all hope was lost with this squad until we shipped off harris. i guess that shows that harris was kind of a "bridge to the future" of the mavs organization. i cant imagine what cuban is feeling inside right now. i hope he lets it all out this offseason and just starts over with this squad or at least makes some huge moves(aka replace kidd with a point guard who can still play in the nba).
david stern is filthy...

by JHo4Sho on Mar 31, 2008 2:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No overreaction at all...
Here is the thing...

The trade COULD have been a good thing if it weren't for one person...Avery.

Avery is a very good coach...but only when he has a young team that he can control.  Avery controlled Devin, J ho, Dirk, and compay.  But now you bring in a 10+ year vet into the mix (who has never been coached by a control freak...coaches from the past were Lawrence Frank, Danny Ainge, and good ol' Jim Cleamons to name a few). That is a recipe for failure.

Avery still tries to control every aspect of this team...and look how much success Kidd has had...none.  

Cuban needs to build this team around Josh Howard...he is young and has a bright future.  Dirk and company needs to go...it really hurts me to say that but all this stuff is not gonna fly anymore.  Nobody is going to trade for Kidd unless you give him away.  So I think we need to trade for some youth and draft picks.

I really don't know what the actual solution is...but something needs to change.  This will not and cannot work anymore...get ready for 3 to 5 years of watching a mediocre team.

by smt83 on Mar 31, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple of things...
"Nobody is going to trade for Kidd unless you give him away. "

Kidd's contract is a 20 million dollar expiring contract next season... Trust, there are plenty of teams willing to take that on, assuming you can work it out financially. Remember, Kwame Brown's expiring contract and a bunch of crap got Pau Gasol.

"Cuban needs to build this team around Josh Howard...he is young and has a bright future."

Yuck... Josh will be 28 at the end of the month, and that's really too old to try and rebuild around. If Cuban commits to a rebuilding project, Josh will be the first to go. I'd think his value around the league wouldn't be too far behind what they could get for Dirk.

by N41D on Apr 1, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Mavs
You must be so excited for your lottery pick! But wait a minute... you don't get it. That's right. Since your owner mark cuban just throws his money at players, and not about the future, he dealt away that first round pick this year and in 2010, along with your championship hopes for the next five years. Too bad.

by Gstate4life on Mar 31, 2008 10:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey pos
this years pick is pottery protected.. how bout you get back to railin' some dude from behind and learn what the hell you are talking about before you mouth off like an idiot... i also love how you are talking trade when your team is a piece of shit that will never get past the first round... congrats you won 1 whole playoff series... fag

by zkmavz on Mar 31, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

talking trash
damn you mozilla firefox correcting my typos incorrectly... you still suck warriors fan

by zkmavz on Mar 31, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
"I could have knocked him out in the third round but I wanted to do it slowly, so he would remember this night for a long time." - Mike Tyson

by Chase Irwin on Apr 1, 2008 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...
If you're gonna act like an idiot, at least be a somewhat informed idiot...

by N41D on Apr 1, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never get past the first round!?!?!?
Remember last year! Not to mention that we have 2 nba championships while you have an empty case. The warriors a piece of shit? The last time I checked, we had the third best record in the nba since Stephen J returned. We are also the fourth youngest team in the nba and with Monta, Beans, B wright, and Buike, we are just getting better. And we can actually beat good teams. And what future does your team have? Devin Harris, some first rounders. But thats right, you traded them away for Jason Kid, who is 35 and is not even in the same ballpark as BD, CP3, Darrent Williams, Tony Parker, A.I, and Steve Nash. So keep talking about how bad G-state is when we are just getting better and better, while your team is getting older. And I bet the only thing you Mav fan can say in return is that list of PG is wrong or I suck.

by Gstate4life on Apr 1, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And by the way
I do know what I'm talking about. I don't see anything in my last two posts that is of false knowlege. Yet another excuse for Mav fans to avoid realizing that they are done because Cuban does not understand how to build a team.

by Gstate4life on Apr 1, 2008 10:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WFT
What do you mean "protected." You gave them your 08 and 10 first rounders. So please explain how that works.

by Gstate4life on Apr 1, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we could explain it
but im not getting the feeling that you would actually understand... just know that if we dont make the playoffs... we get to keep our draft pick... moron

by zkmavz on Apr 1, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darren Hambrick
"What do 'voluntary' mean?"
"These are my awards mother. From Army. The seal is for marksmanship and the gorilla is for sand racing."

by Bob Loblaw on Apr 2, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How
That makes no sence what so ever. Explain why the trade clearly says the Mavs give up their 08 and 10  draft picks. I have also look at over 20 mock drafts who all have the nets w/ two first rounders and the Mavs with none. And not just a bunch of fan run mock drafts. I'm talking Nba.com espn.com, cbssportsline.com, ect. So explain that genius. And most of them have the Mavs missing the playoffs as well. I'm not saying that you are wrong. I just don't get why you think your right and everyone else is wrong. And even if it is correct, then enjoy watching the Warriors destoy in the playoffs again while Dirk cries in a corner and Cuban counts his money and focuses on buying the cubs. And honestly, is calling me a moran when Im right about all my facts the best you can do. Wow!

by Gstate4life on Apr 2, 2008 12:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No
Everyone else is right and you are wrong. If you haven't heard of a lottery protected draft pick than you have been following the NBA for less than a week.

by Wes Cox on Apr 2, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This from espn.com
If the Mavericks, who reportedly could be without Nowitzki for about two weeks, fail to make the playoffs in the hotly contested Western Conference, the Nets will get the picks in 2009 and 2011.

by drpeepers on Apr 2, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are right
this doesn't make "sence" and I will cease calling you a "moran"

by zkmavz on Apr 2, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your correct
My bad. I guess I was looking at either old mock draft that had thr Mavs in the playoffs or mock draft run by fan who don't know about the lottery protection rule. What doesn't make "SENSE" is how your dumb ass Mav fans can think that the Warriors suck. We beat you last year. Then we beat you in the post season. Then we beat you on Sunday. And we are going to beat you tonight. So what are you going to do. Call me a moran because I did not know that your draft pick was lottery protected. I think the real morans are "ya'll" because you actually think the Mavs are better than the warriors. So go on and insult me about a small spelling or grammar error while G-State beats the shit out of dallas tonight.

by Gstate4life on Apr 2, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, you're an idiot because...
You had never heard of a protected draft pick. LOL How long have you followed the NBA?

Oh, and another thing you're wrong about...

"I think the real morans are "ya'll" because you actually think the Mavs are better than the warriors."

3-1 this year. The only time you managed to beat us was with Dirk out of the lineup.

The bums from Golden State aren't making the playoffs because they can't rebound and they can't defend.

by N41D on Apr 2, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admit it
I've jnxed my warriors. I don't know who will win. I'm not guarenting a G-state victory. Go warriors but they might not win. Go Warriors!

by Gstate4life on Apr 2, 2008 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

way to go out on a limb
you frontrunning douchebag.
"These are my awards mother. From Army. The seal is for marksmanship and the gorilla is for sand racing."

by Bob Loblaw on Apr 2, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had
no idea on how much fun I had been missing in this post!!  Man this diary is amazing... truly bold and beautiful in here.  I'm sorry it took me so long to look at it.

by Toddy on Apr 3, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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