Game Two: Mavs at Hornets Open Thread
by Wes Cox
on Apr 22, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
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How It Stands:
New Orleans Leads 1-0
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Ugh
Call me a masochist, but I’m both planning on watching this game, and finishing my paper.
Anyone want to proofread a 25+ page paper on terrorism finance regulation in the U.S. and India?
by BrodyV on Apr 22, 2008 5:10 PM CDT 0 recs
That actually
does sound interesting, but I’ll pass.
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by Wes Cox on
Apr 22, 2008 5:18 PM CDT
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It was interesting
About six weeks ago… Since then it’s mostly been a grind. I know more about Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act than I ever wanted to (although it probably is the least objectionable part of the Patriot Act by far).
I’m hoping that a win tonight can provide me some motivation to wrap up my conclusions and fix my bluebooking. I hate citations. There’s a reason that I didn’t want to be on a law journal.
by BrodyV on
Apr 22, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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Antonie Wright active
there is no absolutely no justification whatsoever for JuHo to get a single second of playing time.
by BrodyV on
Apr 22, 2008 5:40 PM CDT
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Somebody other than Dirk has to step up...
Whether it’s Howard, Terry, Stackhouse, or Kidd… Somebody has to step up and keep the Hornets honest on the defensive end… If nobody is hitting shots, they’ll just start swarming Dirk like they did in the second half Saturday and we’ll have no chance…
Oh, and it’d be nice to see Dampier, Bass, or Stackhouse put Paul or West on their back the first time they get to the rim… Take a hard foul, for God’s sake. Nobody else in the league seems to mind doing so this time of year…
by N41D on Apr 22, 2008 5:45 PM CDT 0 recs
Chuck
calls a monster game for JHo. Please god, let that be so.
by BrodyV on Apr 22, 2008 6:03 PM CDT 0 recs
Dunleavy
Showing exactly why he’s no longer coaching-
Howard shooting 18 foot jumpers when there is a lane to drive is NOT “being aggressive.”
by BrodyV on Apr 22, 2008 6:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Memo to Avery Johnson
The trap is not working. You have tried it. Repeatedly. It has not worked, not one single time.
EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU TRY IT DAVID WEST HAS AN OPEN SHOT. IT HAS NOT CREATED A SINGLE TURN OVER. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT.
You know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
by BrodyV on Apr 22, 2008 6:27 PM CDT 0 recs
Paul has like 7 assists already...
It’s time to come out of the trap, Avery… He’s clueless…
by N41D on Apr 22, 2008 6:30 PM CDT 0 recs
I think its now fair to say
that we should start planning ahead for the off-season…
Still the jumpers… still cant stop the pick and roll, still cant get anyone else to step up and defend
by Toddy on Apr 22, 2008 6:31 PM CDT 0 recs
1st quarter
and they get 39 points…
Let me repeat that… 39 points. All this talk about how we were supposed to come out and respond to Paul and thats what we give them.
I know I’m on the ledge, but I cant help but feel a sense of a loss of hope not only within myself with this team, but MY TEAM as well.
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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This NO team
has the same chip on their shoulder that GS did last year… it it looks like we know they do and are intimidated by it
by Toddy on Apr 22, 2008 6:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Second CP3 asst at the rim
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 22, 2008 6:33 PM CDT 0 recs
Oh my God
They couldn’t stop that last second shot by Paul!
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Holy S...
Everyone was walking around…what the F…lazy lazy lazy lazy
by smt83 on Apr 22, 2008 6:34 PM CDT 0 recs
NO hit their last three 3 pt'rs
Their shots are fallin’ now. It should even out a lil’
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 22, 2008 6:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Is it just me
Or does it seem like the team isn’t as fired up as they should be? They can’t let the crowd get to them…look what happened to Washington last night.
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:36 PM CDT 0 recs
True...
but we shot 58% also… so expect that to come down a little too…
I hope we didnt pull out all our defensive answers in the first quarter to paul, because we are still waiting.
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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I was just saying the same thing...
They are just going through the motions…there is no urgency…nothing…its just weird
by smt83 on
Apr 22, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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You know what?
These last two games have absolutely convinced me of something that I was thinking all season- The people who say that Dirk is soft and that if only he had more leadership this team would be a winner have it completely backwards.
Dirk is the only thing that is dragging this team up toward respectability. He’s a superstar surrounded by an absolutely putrid supporting cast- and Josh Howard has been leading the charge of putridity this year. Replace Dirk with an “average” power forward (Say, Udonis Haslem or Emeka Okafor) and this team would struggle to win 30 games.
by BrodyV on Apr 22, 2008 6:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Relating to T-Mc ?
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on
Apr 22, 2008 6:38 PM CDT
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not at all
dirk can make it out of the first round… T-mac cant
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:40 PM CDT
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yep
the only knock on dirk is is consistency in making those around him BETTER… he definitely performs at a superstar level and leads by example though, and cant be called for being soft after his comeback and level of play since then this year
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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My momma always said
That you can’t polish a turd. He does make those around him better- but lately they haven’t been making anything of it.
by BrodyV on
Apr 22, 2008 6:40 PM CDT
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haha
true… so do we trade josh then while he still has value and before he turns into finely?
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:42 PM CDT
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To be honest...
Yes. And you do it for nothing but draft picks to get some flexibility and restock all the pics we’ve given away.
by BrodyV on
Apr 22, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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that kinda throws away
what dirk is doing for us now then… right? And the kidd trade is down the drain, cuz we are rebuilding, so we gotta move him on out then right?
I think trading josh for someone who can come in a do something for us RIGHT NOW, would be nice…
Also I think revisiting the JET for Maggette trade again would be nice…
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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Kidd's contract and J5
could get you anything you want. Just sayin’...
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by Wes Cox on
Apr 22, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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I was against the Kidd trade
But I don’t really mind having him around, not if it’ll get Dirk easier shots.
by Marie on
Apr 22, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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Yeah but...
I’d argue his shots havent come any easier since then… all the trade did IMO is energize Dirk to a higher level…
But we still run the same offense we did before the kidd trade. Dont confuse Dirks play since the trade with that being because he is getting easier shots… Dirk just wants it more than he did pre-kidd trade
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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That's a great point
Maybe Dirk was just looking for some kind of change, like I’m sure we all are right now. If the management makes some positive off season moves, maybe that will energize him even more.
So are you pro-Harris, then?
by Marie on
Apr 22, 2008 9:15 PM CDT
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I just hate seeing
a caliber player in Dirk playing for us right now and we not being able to capitalize on it while he is in his prime…
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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Because
We’re doing, what, exactly, to capitalize on his level of play at the moment? Sure, we could continue to ride this scenario out for the next 5-6 years and get into the playoffs every year, only to lose in round 1. I’d rather blow it up next year, learn what w’ere doing the year after that, and start competing again in 2011.
by BrodyV on
Apr 22, 2008 6:50 PM CDT
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Im starting to actually think like that...
but I also thought that when Manu hit the 3 in game 7 a few years ago also… I was screaming for a KG for Dirk trade….
Hopefully he proves me/us wrong again….
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:52 PM CDT
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They also..
Need to get rid of some dead weight (ex: Juwan Howard, George, and Jones)
by Marie on
Apr 22, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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Yeah
Agreed 100%. I find myself thinking, who else on this team can score? Terry OBVIOUSLY hasn’t been himself all season long, and Howard… well, we all know.
This is the first time I’m actually hoping Avery gets fired and we get a real coach.
by Carlo on
Apr 22, 2008 6:52 PM CDT
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Can we please draw some fouls
Please? Pretty please? How about some vintage Josh?
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:40 PM CDT 0 recs
foul calls
9 vs 3 in favor of NO… mostly because they attack the rim… but stack did that and didnt get a call on a few of those, so I can see why he thinks “whats the point?”
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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But it's too early to have that kind of mindset
They have to attack the whole game
by Marie on
Apr 22, 2008 6:48 PM CDT
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I just now noticed
That we have this weird lineup on the floor…where is the offense going to come from?
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Howard's bringing it!
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 22, 2008 6:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Howard couldve blew the ball into the whole...
why the hell would he pass
by bbob on Apr 22, 2008 6:44 PM CDT 0 recs
I thought it went off the rim?
Need to watch closer & type less
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on
Apr 22, 2008 6:46 PM CDT
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I love stack
but he looks old and rusty coming off the injury. I don’t think this is the time to be giving him a lot of burn.
by bbob on Apr 22, 2008 6:45 PM CDT 0 recs
it'd be nice though...
if the REAL stack could come out of this funk…
Thats the thing, we know what he is capable of… its just a matter of do we have the patience to let him work his way back into it…
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:49 PM CDT
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Its amazing...
All that crazy Serb does is shoot 3’s…and we decide to let him hang around sitting wide open on the 3 point line
by smt83 on Apr 22, 2008 6:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Holy crap
How could they turn that ball over?! It was a 3 on 1!
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:50 PM CDT 0 recs
The Mavericks are more willing
to give up contested layups than any other team in the playoffs…
It’s pathetic how afraid this team is to commit a hard foul…
by N41D on Apr 22, 2008 6:52 PM CDT 0 recs
Dirk got suspended for a hard foul
Maybe that’s why…? Though actually, the team as a whole has been hesitant to do that even before the AK incident.
by Marie on
Apr 22, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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I'd say Damp
does a decent job of throwing some hard fouls when he wants… I remember the 3 laker game we played in this year he was punishing Kobe when he game down the lane with hard fouls…
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:54 PM CDT
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But every team has had suspensions for that reason...
At some point in this series, someone is going to have to send a message by giving up a hard foul.
Or we’ll be watching Paul shoot floaters in the paint and Tyson Chandler cram it down our throats for 4 games and we’ll be going home.
by N41D on
Apr 22, 2008 6:56 PM CDT
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7-11 from the free throw line
At least we’re getting to the line, but we can’t miss these easy ones…I’m surprised Dirk has missed a couple already.
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:55 PM CDT 0 recs
I don't understand...
Kidd goes for a lay up when he should pass…and passes when he should shoot…
by smt83 on Apr 22, 2008 6:58 PM CDT 0 recs
confidence issues...
he has missed more layups this year it seems like…
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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dang
when NO spreads the floor like that… our age really shows in being able to chase down those shooters.
by Toddy on Apr 22, 2008 6:58 PM CDT 0 recs
F-ing Pargo
Don’t tell me he’ll be the X factor tonight.
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 6:59 PM CDT 0 recs
Two Scores in a row...
...at the rim. Damp & Dirk !!
"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 22, 2008 6:59 PM CDT 0 recs
The Ric Flair thing
Is getting annoying. What is the significance of that again? I know that used to be Baron Davis’ thing when he was in NO.
by Marie on Apr 22, 2008 7:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Second...
I can’t imagine a grown man keeping a straight face making that noise at a public event.
by bbob on
Apr 22, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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My favorite lineup
is on the floor…most athletic one we have..i think w/ Chandler having to guard Bass we could give him some more fouls
by bbob on Apr 22, 2008 7:00 PM CDT 0 recs
yeah but chandler then owns us
on the rebounds…
I like damp out there whenever he can be… Point being damp has only played 10 min, and chandler has 3 offensive rebounds… and thats with his team shooting 60% right now… so there is not a lot of defensive rebounds for the mavs to go after as it is…
Remember when we tried to go athletic against the Warriors last year vs when we won 67 with dampier at the starting center?
This line up is MORE exciting to watch, but not as effective.
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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Bass can blow by Chandler
Like he did as I wrote that out. And dirk can post up West. On D, Avery has Damp helping trap and hes too slow to get back and cover or get position for a rebound.
by bbob on
Apr 22, 2008 7:09 PM CDT
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Waiting for Bass
To have a game like he did against NO in the last game of the season
by Marie on
Apr 22, 2008 7:10 PM CDT
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Peja
Now I remember why I hate that guy. Flashbacks to damn Kings days..
by Avery210 on Apr 22, 2008 7:01 PM CDT 0 recs
West
is abusing Dirk right now… that guy is picking him apart all over the floor… with no FT’s
Dirk is living at the line right now.
by Toddy on Apr 22, 2008 7:06 PM CDT 0 recs
You don't like that matchup?!
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by Wes Cox on
Apr 22, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
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why he cant
finish at the rim just amazes me… he choses to shot a floater 5 feet before the rim
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 7:08 PM CDT
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jones??
was that the hard foul we were looking for? A hug?
by Toddy on Apr 22, 2008 7:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Get Eddie Jones off the damn floor...
What does Avery honestly think Jones is going to do for this team?
by N41D on Apr 22, 2008 7:09 PM CDT 0 recs
wisdom
never mind that my grandmother moves better than him…. he has experience.
by Toddy on
Apr 22, 2008 7:10 PM CDT
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