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Want Him or Don't Want Him: Dirk Nowitzki

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Contract Status
Year $$$$ Age @ End of Season
08/09 $18,077,904 30
09/10 $19,795,714 31
10/11 $21,513,524 (player option) 32


07/08 Stats GPGS MPG PPGFG%FT%3P%RPGAPG PER (NBA Rank)
Dirk Nowitzki 77 77 36.0 22.4 47.9% 87.9% 35.9% 8.6 3.5 26.29 (6th)

I figured we would get the obvious (or it should be anyway) one out of the way first.

Case for: He's Dirk.  He's the best player on the team.  And in a league where you usually can't win a title without a top ten player on your team, it might not be a good idea to get rid of one.

Case against:  Losing > Winning?

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Dirk Nowitzki?
  • Want Him
  • Don't Want Him

  348 votes | Results

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I couldn't leave him out!

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on May 2, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont worry

I went ahead and recommended your comment because I dont think any of us could have said it better ourselves.

by Toddy on May 2, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I rec'd it too.

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on May 3, 2008 1:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then why did you

make the post?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 3, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Think of it

As a baseline. It will be useful when trying to determine the amount of ballot stuffing / interlopers / morons voting in the rest of the polls :)

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah its

definitely got the site going… so it was a great instigator… just look at this cynthia person down below…

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 9:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I really didn't mean to instigate anything

And would never make a post just rile people. I hate that stuff.

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on May 4, 2008 1:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

you were wasted when you make this post as well.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 1:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

We ought to introduce a one drunk post per week minimum.

If Wes isn’t up to it, I’ll just have to step up my, um (checks time…)

Three AM commenting.

BTW- De La Hoya just cruuuuuised to that win tonight. I had him 119-109.

by BrodyV on May 4, 2008 2:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm up as well..

Why don’t you ever post at LSB anymore?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 3:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mostly because

law school means I only have time to follow one sport. Plus, living in DC means that it requires quite a bit of effort to follow a Dallas sports team. Honestly, I couldn’t even tell you who the starting rotation was at this point.

Oh well. I should be back in Tx soon, and then I’ll pick them up.

by BrodyV on May 4, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, nice.

Good luck with law school

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 2:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I demand

That the three people account for themselves.

by BrodyV on May 2, 2008 4:50 PM CDT   0 recs

I'd light myself on fire if we traded Dirkles

He’s by far my favorite professional athlete ever.

And besides all the basketball reasons (and there are MANY of those), I just plain like the guy. I’m glad he’s on my team and I want him here for as long as he wants to be here.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 5:32 PM CDT   1 recs

OT: Brandon Bass

I can’t find out exactly what his contract situation is.

I didn’t want to start a whole new thread on this, but I’m interested seeing as how he was usually the second best player we put on the floor toward the end of the season.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 5:39 PM CDT   0 recs

Seriously Wes

Identify the 4 people who voted to trade him, locate their IP addresses and ban them from the site…

IT has to be the GS fans spilling in over here, I swear.

by Toddy on May 2, 2008 5:46 PM CDT   0 recs

bass

bass is under contract next year for $826 thousand. he will be an unrestricted free agent next summer…. a cold chill just went up my spine.

by bass_the_beast on May 2, 2008 6:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Thanks

The site I looked at said this was his only season, but I figured it was wrong cause if Bass was an unrestricted FA this off season we’d have heard about it by now.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The FO is going

to have to get pretty creative if we want to keep him after this year… That’s why I almost say we sell high right now. I love Bass to death, but realistically it might be hard to keep him after next year, and if we let him go for nothing, because we cant sign him to a big enough deal, then we shoot ourselves in the foot again.

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why couldn't we sign him to a big enough deal?

He’s been in the league more than two years now, and he’s been with us for two, so we own his complete Bird rights, no?

And even if we don’t, as much as I love Bass as an energy-hustle-banger guy, is he really the kind of guy you see a team spending more than the full mid-level exemption to bring in? Cause no matter what we’d be able to match the mid-level if we wanted to.

That being said… I like your idea of selling high on him. If adding him to a Josh/Stack package allows us to bring in a serious secondary scoring threat, you pretty much have to do it, right?

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 3, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry

He will have been with us for two…. meaning at the end of next season we;ll own his Bird rights.

Just reread that and it sounded like I was talking about this off season.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 3, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes
That being said… I like your idea of selling high on him. If adding him to a Josh/Stack package allows us to bring in a serious secondary scoring threat, you pretty much have to do it, right?

But that had better be for someone of the likes of Paul Piece-ish… young, proven, and consistent.

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

An interesting idea

Not Pierce specifically, but, should the Celts lose tomorrow (a distinct possibility) do they blow that team up?

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I bet,

they take the same approach as we did last summer…

“well we won 66 games…”

But who knows, but they feel like they need a overrated point guard to put them over, and we can send kidd to them for Rondo, Perkins, and a couple of first rounders!

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know this sound crazy, but Terry plus about a million dollars for Marcus Camby works.

Those first round picks would come in handy here.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 2, 2008 6:16 PM CDT   0 recs

msn.foxsports.com

Report: Nuggets likely to trade Camby

Kenyon Martin and Nene are close to untradeable. It would be stunning if the Nuggets dealt Carmelo Anthony. And any trade of Allen Iverson, who would be attractive because of his expiring contract, would be an admission the blockbuster December 2006 trade didn’t work. A source said Marcus Camby is the most likely big-dollar player to be dealt. But with Nene’s health not a total certainty as he returns from testicular cancer, that could create a big void in the post. —Rocky Mountain News

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 2, 2008 10:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you imagine

the one-two punch of Damp and Camby? Wow, that’s 20 million at the center, but defensively that could really put us over.

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Terry's not a good fit

He and Iverson could never be in the same backcourt at the same time.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 11:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What's your point?

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 3, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My point is Iverson will opt out and sign with another team for less money.

Making Terry the point guard.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 4, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, okay

I didn’t know he could opt out this off season…

And I still doubt it’s going to happen, just cause it’s so much freaking money to leave on the table… but maybe it could happen.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 4, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You think

he will come here for MLE?

You have got to be crazy.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 2:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who said AI was coming here?

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 4, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stop smoking

crack.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

?

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 5, 2008 8:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry.

He’s worth much more elsewhere than in Dallas, and the multiple players you could get for him will advance the rebuilding effort by a couple of years. Admit that this team as currently structured is a tire fire and start over.

by Nyghtewynd on May 2, 2008 6:20 PM CDT   0 recs

?

This is nearly the exact same team that won 67 games two years ago, and won 50+ this year despite obvious chemistry/coach issues post-trade. If that’s “tire fire” then I don’t know what a good team looks like.

by MeanMr.Mustard on May 2, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Honestly

a good team looks like the 2006 squad… where you had Devin+Josh+Dirk all playing well together at once.

That didnt happen in the 2007 playoffs, and definitely didnt happen at the beginning of this season (devin and josh were playing well, but dirk wasnt), nor the end (Dirk by himself, kidd and Josh were in la-la land). Its why the Spurs have been good. Those three rotate in superstar play, while the others consistently play consistent… even on their off nights. Its what we were missing this year.

by Toddy on May 2, 2008 9:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, if we don't trade guys then we have to sign guys.

Problem is, I don’t think guys like Josh Smith, Luol Deng, and Allen Iverson would want to come off the bench.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 2, 2008 7:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Smith and Deng

IF some miracle happens where we were ever to sign these guys… Josh Howard would move down to the 2 and we’d have one of the best starting 5 (assuming Josh howard humbles himself this summer to realize that he needs to stop sucking) with Kidd, J5, smith/deng, Dirk and Damp.

But I doubt we could sign either of these guys without doing a sign and trade deal.

by Toddy on May 2, 2008 9:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is why we have to trade the players we have.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 2, 2008 10:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Dirk

He could very, very easily be the best player to ever play for this franchise. Forever.

Love him.

by jthig32 on May 3, 2008 1:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Dirk

Is the quintissential example of a player who ought to, if there is a god, play his entire career with one team. It’s not like he’s Garnett, and wasting away in a basketball purgatory.

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 1:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on May 3, 2008 1:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I seriously hope

he ends his career here. I was kinda upset when we let finely go, because of the huge hole he pulled us out of in the 90s… but in what was best for both him and the team, I’m glad he left and got his ring. He definitely deserves it. I hope Dirk doesnt end up like the Malones/Barkley’s in the league trying to find his way to a championship if he doesnt get one now though…

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dirk is a franchise player. Through high and low times, he’s the type of player you try to keep. The Mavericks would only be starting from scratch without him and it would take another decade to become somewhat of an elite team again, since losing two playoff first rounds dropped them out of the category.

Keep Dirk, build team around Kidd. If anyone is to go, trade Josh Howard if he’s still putting up bricks and can’t adjust to a new point guard’s playing style.

http://mavsfanforlife.net

by rodeoclown on May 3, 2008 8:40 AM CDT   0 recs

What a stupid ass question!

Why in the world would ANYBODY EVEN ASK THIS STUPID QUESTION??? Whoever is the blogger on here is …..you’re sounding more and more like Tim MacMahon on DMN every day…and baby, let me tell ya…..THAT AINT GOOD!

by Cynthia56 on May 3, 2008 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Really, chill

If you had bothered to read the post before, you would see that Wes is going to do this for every player and front office exec. Cubes said that nobody’s safe, and while I don’t quite believe that, after the complete disasters that have been the playoffs these last two years you have to think that there’s some truth to the matter.

I’d imagine that Wes will ask the same question about Donnie, and that answer ought to be just as overwhelming.

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha, no worries

I’m doing this for everyone and wanted to get Dirk out of the way because I KNOW it’s a stupid question.

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on May 3, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

by the way

I think the last in this series ought to be Cubes himself…

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BEWARE: IDIOTS RUNNING THE BLOG!!!

Brandon Webb….you’re SPOT ON. I’m not savvy enough to know how to “recommend” your comment, but couldn’t have said it better myself! Damn…they’ll let ANYBODY have a blog, won’t they??

by Cynthia56 on May 3, 2008 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

If they do

Where’s your blazing insight?

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yah, Fuck Wes

and everything he stands for!

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 3, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why are you

yelling here through all your caps? Just calm the hell down and take some time to read through the blog a little…

here’s a good quote, that had you taken some time to read through some of our stuff here, you would see what is going on…

Like Dirk said here himself, no one is safe. It’s pretty much a fact though that Dirk is not going anywhere, and if he does that it had better be for both Dwight Howard and LBJ.

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd settle

for either LBJ or Dwight, plus Agent 0.

But again, that’s the kind of trade it would take to make me happy.

by BrodyV on May 3, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ok MAYBE,,,

but thats pushing it… LOL! I think Cuban would have to agree, seeing how we didnt even do a kobe an dirk swap!

by Toddy on May 3, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why don't you try reading first

Before calling anyone names, okay? Lame.

by Marie on May 3, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dirk

With my MMB name, it goes without saying that I want him on the Mavs until the day he decides to hang them up. The guy’s just reached his peak, and I’m looking forward to him playing with Kidd for a full year. He really seemed re-energized and happy after the trade (with the stats to prove it), and hopefully we’ll get a coach who won’t try to turn him into something he isn’t. However, Avery did make Dirk a better (not great) defender and deserves credit there.

by dirk41 on May 3, 2008 8:02 PM CDT   0 recs

Get rid of Dirk? Yeah right. And watch a quarter of your fanbase and all of your championship chances go up in smoke.
-BJ

by BJ, the Michigian Ex-Pat on May 8, 2008 8:49 PM CDT   0 recs

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