Rick Carlisle and the Mavs?
by Wes Cox
on May 3, 2008 1:44 AM CDT
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Peter Vescey is reporting that the Mavs are going to hire Rick Carlisle.
Analyst Peter Vecsey, speaking on NBA TV, reported Carlisle would take over for the recently fired Avery Johnson.
This is still not confirmed, and personally I'd be really surprised if the Mavs front office rushed to a decision like this. Take this with a really big grain of salt.
I will say that out of the immediate reported candidates Carlisle was the most intriguing, but I would also be disappointed if the choice was made without more thought and time than this...
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by Wes Cox on May 3, 2008 1:46 AM CDT 0 recs
Sorry Wes
I actually had been lurking because I was reading rumors that this was about to start developing quickly, but the time zone got me.
by BrodyV on
May 3, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Carlisle
I personally think he’s the overwhelming favorite to be hired, but I’d be very, very surprised if they made this decision already.
One possibility though, is that Carlisle’s old boss, Donnie Walsh is wooing him in New York. I think I read he interviewed there today.
So that could be a reason for the urgency if this is true.
by jthig32 on May 3, 2008 1:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Good hire if true...
He’s the best thing available out there, and you’ve gotta snatch him up quick if you think he’s your guy…
I’d much rather have Carlisle than wait it out for D’Antoni or run through some college guy like Pitino as we’ve heard rumored…
Good choice by Cuban and Donnie. Hope it’s true.
by N41D on May 3, 2008 1:57 AM CDT 0 recs
The good thing...
He’s got a pretty strong track record working with younger guys… Artest, Jackson, O’Neal, Hamilton, Billups, Al Harrington… He’s not afraid to throw his young guys out there and let them sink or swim…
Now Cuban has to throw money around and buy some late 1st and 2nd round picks to get some young, athletic bodies in here… This team has enough scoring potential with Dirk/Howard/Terry. Go get athletes to put on the bench behind Kidd, Dampier, and on the perimeter…
If you can trade Josh for something of value, do it. Offer Corey Maggette the full MLE. See what kind of commitment it would take to get Diop back, and make some moves for athletes in the draft…
by N41D on
May 3, 2008 2:00 AM CDT
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Random Note
If you search Google news with Carlisle Vecsey this post is one of the handful of entries.
How’s that for random at 2:00 am?
by jthig32 on May 3, 2008 2:11 AM CDT 0 recs
In Carlisle, I trust.
Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?
by srdmad on May 3, 2008 7:18 AM CDT 0 recs
Cuban and Company..
Would be very stupid to hire the first person to interview.
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by rodeoclown on May 3, 2008 8:36 AM CDT 0 recs
Vescey sucks
I don’t really trust him. He wrote an article about Derrick Coleman needing a heart transplant and Coleman himself said he didn’t need one. And I hate seeing Vescey on NBA TV, he can’t interact with anyone.
At any rate, if this is true, what a quick hiring. What happened to the other possibilities…did the list of candidates get short all of a sudden?
by Marie on May 3, 2008 10:53 AM CDT 0 recs
Carlisle
how do we feel about him? I dont really know much about him other than he was the coach when the nightmare in Indiana happened and that he was a COY with Detroit.
Is this going to be a good fit? It worries me that he got fired from Detroit to bring in Brown… anyone know the story behind this?
by Toddy on May 3, 2008 11:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Carlisle
I think you’ll hear a lot about Carlisle’s personality. He’s said to not be the greatest people-person. He clashed with Dumars which is what got him run out of Detroit. A lot of media people around here will probably compare him to Avery when he was here.
However, don’t be fooled, they are not similar. Avery was the master motivator. Carlisle is known for his X’s and O’s. He was the lead assistant under Larry Bird for those Pacer teams in ‘98-’00 that darn near took down Jordan and the Bulls and then went to the Finals in ‘00. Bird had zero coaching experience before that stint, and he has always given Carlisle a ton of credit for that team.
As a personal note, I was a huge Reggie fan in my younger days, and I have every Pacer game from that ‘00 Finals run on VHS. Carlisle was a very vocal and active coach on that team, often drawing up the plays in timeout, etc.
He was good in Detroit before the personal stuff. Back in Indy as the headcoach he took them from 48 wins to 61 wins after an offseason where they basically lost Brad Miller for nothing. The next season many, many people considered them the favorites in the East before the brawl that Artest started.
I think he’s a really solid coach. My only fear is that as a head coach he’s always favored a real slow, micro managed offense (sound familiar?). However those Pacer teams he assisted for were very potent offensively, and even had an aging PG that played a very similar game to Kidd’s current game in Mark Jackson.
I also don’t think he would be getting hired if he weren’t coming up with good ideas in his interviews for how to run this offense.
I’m excited.
by jthig32 on
May 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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Thank you so much for the info
I’m not very familiar with Carlisle at all; all I knew was that he coached Detroit and Indiana. The “real slow, micro managed offense” part worries me, though.
by Marie on
May 3, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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as long as he at least open to a run and gun
with a backbone of defense… then we have hope Marie! We have hope…
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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nice take
Thanks, well that gives me a good idea on what too expect at least. I checked out wikipedia (where anyone can add to any subject, so you know its true) about Rick-o this morning and here is what is has on him…
Playing careerCarlisle was raised in Lisbon, New York. He graduated from Worcester Academy and played two years of college basketball at the University of Maine before transferring to the University of Virginia, where he co-captained the Cavaliers to the Final Four in 1984. After graduating that same year, he was drafted by the Boston Celtics (23rd pick in the third round), where he played alongside Larry Bird in the Celtics’ 1986 NBA Championship team. With the Celtics, he averaged 2.2 points, 1.0 assists and 0.8 rebounds per game while playing almost exclusively as a substitute.
In 1987, Carlisle was sent to the New York Knicks and then played briefly with the New Jersey Nets in 1989.
[edit] Coaching career
Later that year, he accepted an assistant coach position with the Nets, where he spent five seasons under Bill Fitch and Chuck Daly. In 1994, Carlisle joined the assistant coaching staff with the Portland Trail Blazers under coach P.J. Carlesimo, where he spent three seasons.
In 1997, Rick Carlisle joined the Indiana Pacers organization as an assistant coach under his former teammate, Larry Bird. During his time as Pacers assistant coach, he helped the Pacers to two of their best seasons ever. First, in 1997-98, the Pacers stretched the Chicago Bulls to the limit, narrowly losing the deciding seventh game of the Eastern Conference finals to the eventual champions. Then, in 1999-2000, the Pacers made the NBA Finals for the first time, losing to the Los Angeles Lakers. Bird stepped down as coach, and pushed for Carlisle to be selected as his replacement, but the job went to Isiah Thomas.
[edit] Detroit Pistons
For the 2001 season, Carlisle was recruited by the Detroit Pistons to be their new head coach. In two seasons as Pistons’ head coach, Carlisle led them to consecutive 50-32 records (.610) and playoff appearances, and was thus named Coach of the Year in 2002. However, the Pistons fired Carlisle after the 2002-03 season with a year remaining on his contract and hired Larry Brown. Friction between Carlisle and team ownership was cited as one of the primary reasons for the firing. Ironically, Carlisle’s Pistons won the playoff series against Brown’s former team, the Philadelphia 76ers.
[edit] Indiana Pacers
For the 2003-04 season, Carlisle was once again hired by the Indiana Pacers, this time to fill the head coaching vacancy left by Isiah Thomas, who was fired by Larry Bird in one of his first acts as the Pacers’ new President of Basketball Operations. In his first season, Carlisle led the Pacers to the league’s best regular-season record (61-21, .744) and playoff victories over the Boston Celtics and Miami Heat before losing to the Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals. In 2005, The Pacers roster was decimated by injuries (Jermaine O’Neal and Jamaal Tinsley) and suspensions due to the November 19 brawl incited by Ron Artest at the Palace of Auburn Hills. Carlisle was able to rally the Pacers into the NBA Playoffs. As a sixth seed, they again defeated the Boston Celtics in the first round, before being defeated once again by the eventual conference champion Pistons.
After the Pacers finished the 2006-07 season with a 35-47 record and missed the playoffs for the first time since 1997, Carlisle stepped down (or was fired) as head coach. In four seasons with the Indiana Pacers, Carlisle compiled a 181-147 record.[1] On June 12, 2007, Carlisle announced that he would also resign from his position as executive vice-president of the Pacers. He now does work as a studio analyst on ESPN.
[edit] Dallas Mavericks
Carlisle was hired in May of 2008 to be the head coach of the Dallas Mavericks, replacing Avery Johnson.
Looks like someone already put on there that he got hired on to the Mavs! So you know it’s a for sure deal. LOL!
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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I wonder when an official announcement will be made
It’s all but official, but no real confirmations yet
by Marie on
May 3, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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One more thing
What is his stance on defense…is he an okay defensive-minded coach? Our team has been lagging in that department lately.
by Marie on
May 3, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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Well
considering he help build the current Detroit team of players, who play outstanding defense, I think we should be ok. Now granted I think Larry Brown made them defensive oriented from what I saw, but it was Rick-o who brought the pieces together. I think at this point, that is what we need. Someone to come in and bring to us some young, athletic, defensive talent and hope that the staff and current players continue with Avery’s “defense first” mindset.
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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I'm all for it
I think it’s the right hire. Carlisle’s been successful wherever he’s been, and I bet he’s mellowed a bit and won’t be the micro-manager that he once was. He’s also pretty young (48), and if things works out, can bring stability to that position. I like that he’s taken teams to the conference finals, and has coached some pretty high maintenance players like Ron Artest. I just hope Howard responds to him (I’m not saying Josh is like Artest….).
Tom Thibodeaux, the hot name that’s been thrown around, isn’t so hot anymore with his Celtics tied with the Hawks 3-3. I’d love to see an upset so that the Mavs aren’t known as being part of the biggest NBA playoff upset, but that young Hawks team only seems to show up at home.
The Mavs have had some horrible coaches in the past – Quinn Buckner, Jim Cleamons, etc. – so at least Rick has a good reputation.
by dirk41 on
May 3, 2008 8:23 PM CDT
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As long as he bring defense.
Problem is that we don’t exactly have the greatest defensive players. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/02/payroll-crimping-nuggets-options/
I think the part were they talk about selling the 20th pick. I think that would be a good move.
Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?
by srdmad on May 3, 2008 12:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Thanks for the link
With Eddie Najera being a free agent, do you guys think the Mavs can/should get him? I miss having him on the team.
On an unrelated note, I was wondering if it is a common practice for players to have statistical bonuses written into their contracts. I’m not familiar with player contracts, so I thought I’d ask. I know Larry Hughes gets some kind of bonus if whatever team he’s on makes it to the playoffs and that Nuggets article states that Camby would have received a bonus if he had averaged 10 points this season.
by Marie on
May 3, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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I would LOVE bringing back Eddie
fills a need for depth in the front court, provides some hustle off the bench, and his three point shooting has improved astronomically since he left.
by MeanMr.Mustard on
May 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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him and dirk
are pretty good friends arent they? Seemed like it anyway when Nash and he were here with Dirk. That 20th pick for 3mil would HAVE to be something that we look at… But is that 3 mil that we could use to sign someone, or 3 mil cash that doesnt hit the cap?
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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No cap hit...
Straight cash, homey… LOL
You just take the hit for signing the player.
by N41D on
May 3, 2008 2:42 PM CDT
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Hell yeah
why this hasnt already happened, I will never know. I wonder who else is offering up picks at discounted “no Cap” hittin prices!? Cubes… get on it buddy!
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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LOL
They never get sold until the draft is in progress… But Phoenix has done it several times over the last couple of years…
If picks come available for cash, Cuban better get all over it.
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May 3, 2008 3:52 PM CDT
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Oh yeah...
I forgot about that! Maybe phx will sell their 15th pick again this year for the change in Cubans pocket
by Toddy on
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I'm all about this hire
I always thought Carlisle was a fantastic coach, and deserved a chance to go for a championship with Detroit.
The year before he was hired in Detroit, the Pistons were 30-52. They then went 50-32 each season he was head coach. He was arguably the architect for their current “bad boys redux” image, and got 50 wins with a pretty crappy roster that first season: Stackhouse, Clifford Robinson, and Corliss Williamson were the top 3 scorers. He also had Ben Wallace that 1st season following the Grant Hill trade.
Dumars brought in Billups, Tayshaun, and Rip Hamilton the next season, and Carlisle makes it to the conference finals with the team’s first real stint together — pretty damn good if you ask me. He then gets fired and Larry Brown is brought in, presumably to “seal the deal.”
Here’s the wiki on why he was fired:
There were believed to be four reasons for the firing: first, that Carlisle had appeared reluctant to play some of the team’s younger players, such as Prince and Mehmet Okur, during the regular season, which had upset Dumars; second, that some of the players (notably Wallace) had not gotten along with Carlisle; third, that Hall of Famer Larry Brown had become available; and finally fourth, that Carlisle was rumoured to be interested in the Pacer’s head coaching job during the Pistons’ 2003 playoff run.
(British spelling of “rumoured”? Come on Wiki….) Two things stand out at me: Ben Wallace has a history of not getting along with people (Scott Skiles) and so does Joe Dumars (Larry Brown), so I don’t know if that’s sufficient to say “Carlisle has problems getting along with people.” Plus, Indiana obviously wanted him back after being an assistant there before. That’s really as telling as anything that this guy is a damn good coach. Carlisle’s Pacer tenure was then derailed by the Palace incident, obviously, but not before he put up the league’s best record in his first season.
Bottom line — if he’s got talent on the roster, he’s going to win games, and he has a history of excelling right out of the gate. Sorry this turned into an essay … I love me some Carlisle.
by MeanMr.Mustard on May 3, 2008 1:05 PM CDT 0 recs
ok, but...
first, that Carlisle had appeared reluctant to play some of the team’s younger players,
This bothers me a little… the need to develop young talent is a must this year if we are to make it through the next few years. We all thought Avery was too hard on Devin, and even this year with Bass was WAY to consistent about allowing him to be inconsistent. Bass brought it every time he played, and whenever he had an off night, Avery would sit him for a game or two. I hope that we get some young athletic guys and start to develop them. That’s what made the ‘06 roster great too me, was not only the athleticism, but the younger guys who could keep up with some of the elite players on the defensive end.
The front office has more work to do than Rick does IMO. They are the ones that will need to be swinging some seriously favorable deals for the Mavs this season to get some young athletic talent in here, so Rick-o can start developing them to play a roll in the playoffs, much like Bass did for us this year.
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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The Front Office
Definitely has their work cut out for them. We have some serious salary cap limitations and only one second round pick to maneuver with. Cutting Fazekas really didn’t help the situation.
Do we still have Reyshawn Terry under our control?
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Fazekas
I know he kinda came on here for the Clippers at the end, but he was NEVER going to do anything for this team IMO. Talking about athleticism here… there is a reason Bass played a much bigger role than he did. I would’ve rather us drafter another wing man (Howard/Daniels-ish) to try and develop. I think this year, our big thing is to find a bigger pg, center (diop-ish), and wing man who we can develop.
by Toddy on
May 3, 2008 3:10 PM CDT
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Yeah,
We still have the rights to Reyshawn Terry and Renaldas Seibutus
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by Wes Cox on
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Re: The salary cap situation
Is there any chance of restructuring Kidd’s contract at all? That’s the only way I see us hanging onto Bass after his contract runs out. I wouldn’t mind giving Kidd an extra year if it meant saving some money.
From Kidd’s perspective, this is his only shot at a ring before he retires. Maybe he wouldn’t mind taking a pay cut in exchange for an extra year of job security. Or preferably just a pay cut, but I bet the Mavs would have to be willing to throw Kidd a bone to ask him to take a salary hit.
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May 3, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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Um
Kidd’s contract has nothing to do with resigning Bass. Kidd’s contract ends after this coming season, as does Bass.
Even with Kidd’s contract coming off the books we won’t be enough under the cap to make Bass a serious offer, because I don’t believe we’ll have Bird rights. It will be an interesting situation.
by jthig32 on
May 3, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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yep
he needed to have played here for 3 years. We will only have about 6 mil to work with him… which seems like a good deal today, but after next year, I wouldnt be surprised if someone offers him something in the 7-9 mil range for a longer period of time.
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I stand corrected. Ignore everything I just said.
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I almost second guessed that
I guess it could be worse, we could have SHAQ at 20 mil a year for 2 more years…
by Toddy on
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Stein
Stein at espn.com has updated his ongoing article about the Mavs coaching search.
Heres’ the new part:
Rick Carlisle wasn’t just the first candidate to interview for the Dallas Mavericks’ four-day-old coaching vacancy.Carlisle has quickly established himself as the likely successor to Avery Johnson after being flown to Dallas for a second interview, according to NBA coaching sources.
Sources told ESPN.com that Carlisle met with Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson on Thursday in Indianapolis and then traveled to Texas on Friday to meet directly with Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. As part of Friday’s agenda, sources said, Carlisle also had an introductory meeting with Mavs franchise forward Dirk Nowitzki.
“We’ve had an extremely productive meeting with Rick,” Nelson said Saturday. “He’s got a wealth of basketball knowledge. We’re very impressed with him, but the process is ongoing.”
Multiple sources close to the process have described Carlisle as the Mavs’ clear-cut No. 1 candidate, indicating that contract negotiations are already underway. It’s also believed that Carlisle intends to bring two recent NBA head coaches to Dallas as assistants on his staff - Dwane Casey and Terry Stotts - but one team source insisted: “Nothing is done with anyone.”
by jthig32 on May 3, 2008 1:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Dwane Casey and Terry Stotts
who are they, and who of Westphal, Ellie, and Popeye are done here then I wonder?
I thought this was interesting also…
Carlisle has also interviewed with the Chicago Bulls and the New York Knicks. The meeting with the Knicks and new team president Donnie Walsh - Carlisle’s former Indiana boss - happened this week as well, according to a Friday report by the New York Post’s Peter Vecsey. In Saturday’s editions, Vecsey reported that Carlisle has already agreed to terms with the Mavericks, which Dallas disputes.
Looks like we might be in a bidding war, but I think Avery would fit both of those teams better IMHO.
I was also glad to read this too…
“My job is to get the best guy that we can get out there,” Donnie Nelson said in his radio interview.
He definitely has his work cut out for him
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May 3, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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Well
They’re both kind of career assistant coaches, I believe. Stotts was head coach for the Bucks last season, Casey was the head coach for Minnesota recently.
Westphal and Ellie are absolutely gone. I could see Popeye sticking around since he’s a player development coach, not a bench coach.
by jthig32 on
May 3, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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Great hiring.
He was the best candidate. No reason to wait.
Say your sorry to Ron Washington
by miles on May 3, 2008 6:14 PM CDT 0 recs
Here is an Indiana Pacer's view of things...
from our friend Conrows over at Indycornrows.com...
According to this report , Rick Carlisle is the top choice of Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and GM Donnie Nelson to take over head coaching duties. While listening to the radio on the way home from some family fun today, I heard a couple of sports talkers discussing Carlisle and remarking that he might not fit because he would stifle all of the Mavs’ offensive fire power. I don’t agree.
Carlisle has proven to be a very good NBA coach and actually having some proven offensive talent to guide will only make Carlisle better. Yes, Jamaal Tinsley and Ron Artest among others, used to hate the way RC relied on calling offensive sets in a controlled offense. But, those two were also flakey decision makers to say the least, so of course they were on a short leash. In fact, RC tried to adjust and loosen up the offensive reins while in Indy, but the talent couldn’t consistently deliver.
Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki are seasoned offensive All-Stars. Carlisle will set up a system to take advantage of the talent he has on the roster. He’s smart, so he’ll want to give his stars the freedom to do what they do.
I really hope the Mavs are fully healthy and able to give Carlisle a chance to coach a stable, talented roster. While talented, the Mavs still need to improve their front-court depth to find a way to get it done on the defensive end. More importantly, they need a healthy and motivated Dirk and Kidd. If they do their part, I have no doubt, Carlisle will do his.
Thats a little more reassuring…
by Toddy on May 3, 2008 9:14 PM CDT 0 recs
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