Want Him or Don't Want Him: Jason Kidd

by Wes Cox on May 4, 2008 5:26 PM CDT

	Contract Status
Year	$$$$	Age @ End of Season
08/09	$21,372,000	36

w/ Dallas	GP	GS	MPG	PPG	FG%	FT%	3P%	RPG	APG	PER (NBA Rank)
Jason Kidd	29	29	34.9	9.9	42.6%	81.5%	46.1%	6.5	9.5	15.01(61st)

Want Him: He needs a legitimate chance to make this work -- a full season to gel with his teammates and full reign over the play calling. Given the freedom on offense he needs, he could still show why he's a future hall of famer.

Don't Want Him: His 30 games showed he was well past his prime (on both ends) and incapable of leading a championship team. Dallas should cut their losses and get what they can for his expiring contact.

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Chris Paul and Deron Williams are still in the Western Conference.

There are worse players to have at point on your team, but at some point the Mavs will have to put a player on the floor that can compete with the elite guards in the West. I think that we’ve seen enough to know that in 2009, that player is not Jason Kidd for all the reasons you cite.

by DitchThePlaybook on May 5, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Want him... For now.

That contract is going to be a real asset at some point within the next year…

by N41D on May 5, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Want

I want him for lack of a better option.

Derek

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on May 5, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

If I'm a Mavs fan

I’m hoping Cuban finds a team stupid/desperate enough for Kidd to take him off the Mavs’ hands. There was no sense in trading for him and there’s no sense in keeping him around.

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by Ben Q Rock on May 5, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Even if you don't want him...

...you have to keep him until the trade deadline next season. Expiring contracts have their full value in the middle of a season, when teams realize they’re not going to contend and are ready to sell off pricey assets.

But I want him.

by jthig32 on May 5, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Depends on the coach's scheme

It’s up to the coach to make Kidd effective. The slow, stymied half-court offense of AJ’s design made it hard for Kidd ( and Harris ) to create. Of course, good defense helps the transition game, so we have to have that going for us also.

by Dirkanoid on May 5, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

It breaks one of two ways

Either a new coach + a training camp = Kidd + Bass looking like Paul + Chandler; but with Dirk abusing everyone from the elbows and wings, and J5 looking like himself again…

Or, by January we’re going to be looking for a buyer, and hoping to get a draft pick in return.

by BrodyV on May 5, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply reply 1 recs

+1

by MeanMr.Mustard on May 5, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

+1

by Toddy on May 5, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I was against the Harris trade

But I voted to keep Kidd because, as Derek noted, it’s for lack of a better option and also because I would like to see how this team can be after a training camp and a full year with him. While he is outmatched by the other West guards like Paul, Williams, Parker, etc., perhaps Kidd can contribute and make the team better in other ways.

Or I could just be in denial and over-optimistic…

by Marie on May 5, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I choose option "C"

Stuck with him.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 5, 2008 4:54 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I think you should add more options.

Want him.
Don’t want him.
Would like to trade for right price.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 5, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Well...

Who would take him off of our hands?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 5, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I want

to keep him.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 5, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Rondo?

Devin Harris 2.0? If the celts dont win it this year… they could be in the same situation we were this last year!! Maybe we could send Kidd, Allen, and another young guy for Rondo, perkins and scraps…

Just a thought.

by Toddy on May 6, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I'd do

it, don’t think they would though…

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 6, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I didn't mean this for Kidd.

I meant for future players, like Howard.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 5, 2008 10:29 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Bleh

I want Paul.

by mffeva on May 5, 2008 11:51 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Yea well

I want my law school loans paid off, but neither one of those things is happening in the foreseeable future…

by BrodyV on May 6, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Here's a trade that works.

Dallas gets Darko, Redd, Miler.
Memphis gets Damp, Jones.
Bucks get Howard, Stack, plus a little bit of more money.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 6, 2008 8:05 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Interesting...

I’m actually excited about the Darko prospect. I can’t write him off as a bust, he is still just a kid and has had success in international play. One thing his past NBA teams didn’t have was Dirk. Dirk has a history of befriending foreign players, but more importantly, he and Darko share a position and the experience of translating from the European to NBA game. If nothing else he is probably attainable.

by SIFBB on May 6, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

no no no, darko is a bust, its over. people have been saying “i cant call him a bust yet, hes just a kid!” for 5 seasons now. at some point, accept reality. the only player i can think of that was this bad for so long and then suddenly became competent was jermaine o’neal, and those are few and far between. basically, i wouldn’t trade for darko, not even if all we had to give up was stack.

speaking of JO, how bout kidd and junk for jermaine and their 1st?

by bass_the_beast on May 6, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I was also thinking of maybe a Howard, Terry for Redd and Bucks first round pick.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 6, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

They

wouldn’t do that.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 6, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Darko is 22.

Dirk sucked so bad his first few years, that he was thinking of going back to Europe. There was a reason he was the number 2 pick, only behind Lebron. Detroit messed him up, because they should have known Larry Brown wasn’t going to trade him. The question isn’t do you want Darko. It’s do you want Darko or Dampier and I would want Darko.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 6, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

If we

can get him for cheap, I am all for bringing him in.

If they ask for players like Bass, or first round picks… no thanks.

But if we can get him for a good price, I will be first on board that decision.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 6, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

*Larry Brown wasn't going to play him, not trade.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 6, 2008 10:44 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I came up with this.

Dallas gets Redd, Darko, Mike Miller, Marquis Daniels.
Milwaukee gets Josh Howard, Stackhouse, and Bass(only used him so the trade would work on the website, don’t want to trade, will need to do a sign and trade).
Memphis gets Dampier, Eddie Jones(player option will need to be exercised), Travis Deiner.
Indiana gets Jason Terry and Reyshawn Terry.
We may have to give some 2nd round picks away

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 6, 2008 10:54 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I don't know how we would fill our roster after that trade.

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by Wes Cox on May 8, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I'd volunteer

I’m only 6’3”, but I usually play PF/C in my intermural games…

by BrodyV on May 8, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

What, no imput on this.

Or is it too much thinking that it might hurt your brain.(lol)

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 7, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

We would have to buy Denver's 20th pick.

Then our lineup would be this.
Kidd-20th pick
Redd-Miller
Daniels-?
Dirk-Bass
Darko-?
This team would cost around 80 million. If we payed a backup C and SF for 5 million each and 1 million for the 11th-15th men on the bench. Our salary would be only 95 million, 10 less than last year.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 8, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs