Draft Day: Open Thread
by Toddy on Jun 24, 2008 11:58 PM CDT
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ESPN: June 26, 2008 6:00 PM CST
Draft coverage has been going on all week on ESPN, not much though on the Mavs other than we MAY make a move in the first round in buying a pick of some sort. Count me in as one of those who believe we will... better yet, we BETTER.
So put your predictions in before it starts, and hopefully by the time the 1st round is done, we will have somehow acquired a pick for that round either by trade or by Cuban's wallet, or been involved in some sort of trade to BETTER the team and get YOUNGER.
Here is the order in which teams will pick for the first round, and the second round, in which they have us picking Malik Hairston from Oregon. This of course is pending any trades that will more than likely happen through out the night. Here is the info on the top 100 prospects that you can reference, should we pick someone else up in the first or in the second that you may not know much about. It's ESPN's take, so use caution.
MAVS PRE-DRAFT STUFF
To get things kicked off here, here is a GREAT interview Mike Fisher did with Donnie Nelson in which he covered everything from expectations of the team this year, to SOME (didnt name any names for obvious reasons) pre draft guys who they were looking at, to Avery not getting even really getting an interview after he was let go.
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I was hoping NJ would maybe let us buy back our pick... looks like that wont happen
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Clippers need a PG (Terry!!!!!!) and Ben Gordon and Hinrich are on the trading block.... but Dallas was NOT brought up as being possible candidates in the Bulls trading sight should they take Rose. I think if AJ would have landed there, something with them would have been more probable.
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Atlanta could be looking to sign and trade Josh Smith (If we can pull this off for Howard, this is by far my favorite deal.)
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[Note by Toddy, 06/26/08 1:43 PM MDT ] Draft day update:
- Nets to trade Jefferson to Bucks for Yi and Simmons
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27th pick
Hornets just sold the 27th pick to the Blazers. Wouldnt have minded getting that pick. The draft is pretty deep this year and a halfway decent wing player or a backup big man should be there at 27. (certainly better than Magloire or George/Jones)
Dang
I just saw that here.
It’s unclear who the Blazers are eyeing at No. 27. One possibility is Croatian big man Ante Tomic, whom the Blazers have coveted for years.
Other potential targets are French swingman Nicolas Batum, who has slipped in the draft because of concerns about his heart, and Memphis swingman Chris Douglas-Roberts.
I can only imagine they didnt want to sell something to their divisional rivals, thats why there was really no deal done with us. Mark has made it pretty clear for WEEKS now that we would like to buy a pick… one has to wonder if they even approached the Mavs about this deal, or if the Blazers were out aggressively looking to buy a pick and pushed this deal through.
More draft stuff
via Timmy at the DMNews blog...
A few projected 51st picks, which I guarantee are wild guesses:DraftExpress.com: Turkey C Semih Erden
NBADraft.net: Russia combo guard Anton Ponkrashov
ESPN.com: Oregeon SG Malik Hairston
The Mavs have made it clear that they want to purchase a pick in the late first round, saying as much publicly several times over the last month. They will continue trying to talk a team into accepting a $3 million check from Mark Cuban. Official recommendation if that happens: Memphis SG Chris Douglas-Roberts.
DeAndre Jordan's stock has been falling...
I got get him if he falls in the 20’s… The exact type of big man that Jason Kidd works wonders with…
Guys I’d really keep an eye on are Jordan, Marreese Speights, JJ Hickson, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Courtney Lee.
It’d be incredible if Dallas could find a way to get their hands on Brandon Rush, but the consensus seems to be that he’s worked his way comfortably into the late Lottery…
No way Jordan drops to that low, is there?
The guy’s got superstar potential; he’s a Dwight Howard starter kit.
chris douglas roberts
im not impressed by him at all. i dont think he will be a starter in the nba.
Another pick sold/traded...
No Maverick involvement…
Dallas
could have put together a WAY better package that surrounded Terry than Toronto has with “one more head injury from retirement” Ford, Nesterivich (sp) and the 17th pick. Toronto is stealing O’Neal…
disagree
a) Ford is a legit point guard and he is young. The only problem with him is injury. Terry isnt a PG and he isnt young.
b) What would the Mavs have sent that would be equal to the 17th pick? Brandon Bass?
Id rather have Ford and 17 than Terry, Bass, and some throw in.
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I'll be more interested to see
If Rayshawn Terry is going to come over this year.
wow i completely disagree with you
about josh smith. he has huge turnover numbers, and just fills up the box score. if the mavs were looking to build a fantasy basketball team, than i’m all for getting josh smith. he gets some blocks, but thats about it. in a conference where guard play is integral, its smarter to get good on the ball defenders that match up well with point guards, not swingmen. Elite players in the west are the point guards like deron williams, CP3, tony parker, steve nash. trading josh howard would be a horrible sell low.
baseBALLIN!
If you can trade Josh Howard for Josh Smith right now...
You do it without thinking twice…
Not that I think Atlanta would do that deal, but…
And Josh Smith would come in here and be hands down our best defensive player. On-ball and help-side…
ya
but i dont think he would improve this team.
IMO, our biggest problem is a 2nd scoring option and josh smith is a worse scorer than josh howard. Also, Jkidd already does a lot of the little things Smith does so his assist and rebound numbers would go down.
Smith also isnt a great on the ball defender; he is just a great shot blocker.
-1
Jsmith and Kidd do a lot of the same things?
Josh Smith plays above the rim.. can that be said for anyone currently on the mavs roster? When he’s not settling for 15+ ft jump shots he is really a great player. Also he is hands down a better athlete than Josh Howard.
-1
look at their fg percentages
look at their assists and rebounds
josh smith might be one of the very few guys in this league that is actually a worse shooter than kidd. we would be one of the worst offenses in basketball.
imagine dirk getting doubled and smith, kidd, and dampier left open for a shot. gross
with a team filled with jumpshooters why add another? We need someone who can slash to the basket and get to the rim. A spot up shooter would be a great addition but driving to the basket also creates opportunities for others.
hmm..
so Josh Howard?
Don’t let his slump at the end of last year fool you. Your “need” is wearing No. 5 already.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with Mavs so far...
I don’t think it makes sense to buy a pick right now in the 20s. Teams have no idea who falls, who reaches, etc. Obviously, I’ve got no clue what the Mavs will do, but I think they’re handling it right…wait until the draft begins. See who falls. Say you get to 21-22 and there are 2-4 guys you want, then you grab phone and toss out $3 mil.
BTW, I think this is where Donnie and Cuban excel. I bet they’ve talked scenarios with every single team picking in the 20s and know what they’ll do if X, Y or Z player fall.
Maybe it’s just me but there seems to be a plethora of teams unhappy with their current roster, new coaches/systems, etc. Moreso than in past years. Judging by early trade reports and buying slots, it looks like tonight will be fun to watch…
Names to keep in mind
if we buy a twenty or so pick. Roy Hibbert, Courtney Lee, CDR, Bill Walker….
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I think so also
he to me is the next christian latener (sp)... but most everyone has been swinging on him since he dropped 15 pounds since his last college game
22.3%
We would have had the 21st pick this draft. That would’ve been a GOOOOOOD pick.
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really good
cubes had better bring the wallet tonight… I think I would rather us just buy a pick than try and trade for one given how deep the draft is
chances of mavs now moving into the top 10 gone up or down?
I think up… with bayless, gordon and lopez still available
How dare you!
You don’t know the great Sonny Weems? You better recognize…... Superstar.
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"I can't stand stephen a smith"
Going out on a limb there buddy… Haha.
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Please no.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
8 for 8.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Hey Coolaid....
OT fantasy question…. Why’d you cut Ankeil and Jacobs?
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Both
struggling when I cut them. Bad move to cut Ankeil for Willy freaking Tavaras.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Drop?
Augustin just went higher than anyone with half a clue expected…
Don't get me wrong, I love Augustine
Just everyone wants a big guy, thats why we just spent MLE on bring Diop back
Lopez goes to NJ
not a big suprise, though some would argue bayless was the better player for the number 10 pick
How long do you think it took
for Stephen A to prep for his job tonight? 2 seconds? He came up with one question. One.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
So listening to the TIcket
and the ticker guy says. Memphis now has the….. ever popular Gay Love combo. I want to kill myself.
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We've all been there....
Usually it goes $22.50 an hour if you want a bargain. Although I’ve never been to Portland so you might have to pay a little more. Oh wait… what?
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Who you take with it?
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
He will not
be Dwight Howard. I’d take a chance on Georgetown before Jordan.
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He will not
be Dwight Howard. I’d take a chance on Georgetown before Jordan.
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That's not really a premise for the arguement
Good centers are very, very rare. A better question would be ‘When have we ever drafted a center who was useless here then went elsewhere and developed?’ or ‘When have we taken a center that was a complete headscratcher?’
Keep in mind that Big Russki was actually projected fairly highly in round 1 during his year.
Possible trade......
To the Mavs. They got an abundance of pieces Don’t know what the Mavs can offer them but it could happen. Same with the Pacers at 17 that’s the pick I’m targeting.
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whoa
speights went way higher than I thought he would… everyone is picking up big guys = good news for the mavs,
Jay's three best players are all big men...
assuming was, cle and cha all take them, this would leave us to make a deal with NJ if at all possible, which shouldve been our pick anyways, to take a good SG
or lee
I dont know much about either… Sprite can help us out better than I can at evaluating both of these guys
CDR
can do it all. His J is hit and miss sometimes but he attacks the rim and would be ideal in a Mavs uni. Going to UNT and seeing Lee play at Western Kentucky. He can light it up. He will make someone very happy. Although I’m more keen on CDR than on Lee.
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worth us dealing for either of these guys?
if we can buy one, its a no brainer, but should we trade up for these guys?
Depends....
I’d trade up for CDR myself. But wouldn’t for Lee if I could buy a pick and take Lee or trade up and take CDR. I’ll much rather buy a pick of course.
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What the hell happend?
Half my post isn’t there. Anyway… in a nutshell CDR is a better defender that’s why I think he’s better.
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+1
I’d love Chris Douglas-Roberts. Unfortunately I don’t know if we have much in the way of tradeable assets if we want to win now. I think the only way we pick this round is buying 28 from Memphis. Hope CDR slides and we do.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
NJ trades us our own pick back and Vince Carter for...
Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, and a resign of Shawn Bradley
harris might not even start
Marcus Williams is a stud.
If Yi develops, that’s a pretty solid team in a year or two.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
...
there’s a lot of talk in New Jersey circles about trading Harris and making Marcus Williams the PG of the future
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll eat some crow on this one
I heard some talk about it right after the trade happened, because Marcus’ production spiked pretty substantially once he got some minutes, but I can’t find any real rumors to indicate it’s a serious discussion.
Looks like Williams will be a 6th man for the forseeable future.
He’s a guy who’s been derailed by injuries and stunted by Kidd’s 35 minutes per game. It’ll be interesting to see if he gets things figured out — shoots 40% from three and keeps his turnovers down, but isn’t so hot from the field.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
kidd trade almost complete...
throw in anderson into the kidd deal… just one more future 1st rounder to go
good point
I wouldn’t mind a low post scoring threat of some sort
orlando gets lee
mavs need to buy utahs pick… they are poor. If utah picks someone, its gonna be plastid
gotta do something
after sea, its hou, sa, no, and mem…..they arent going to deal and theres still a lot out there.
I doubt it.
I’d gladly take THE STEAL of the draft Bill Walker though.
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Don't make me choose
Haha. I’d take CDR simply because of the health but let’s keep in mind that Walker is a lottery pick if he doesn’t get injured…
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Dude's got some serious potential
I go to Mizzou and got to see him limp onto the court when he was hurt his Freshman year. The student section was taunting him a bit before the game, and he said something to the effect of I’ll see y’all next year. I think he and Beasley combined for something like 60 on us.
That K-State team had more pure talent than Texas last year, imo. Just couldn’t win consistently.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate when they do that...
And make the poor guy say what he is feeling, when hes obviously miserable.
at least he will play for a contender
unless memphis gets him… then I really would cry if I were him
seems though that they just
keep picking up FA defensive big men to come in also, I dont really remember a lot of big men being drafted by them other than scola
Mark Cuban:
Buy a freaking pick. I am getting pissed off.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
lol.
This is not miles.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Come on Cuban.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Arthur to NO.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
would've loved chalmers coming in
but CDR’s too good to pass up. Not that we have a pick yet….
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Det will take CDR.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Greene to Mem.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
I don't know what the hell the Mavs are thinking.
Det by all accounts will take Walker. Bos isn’t gonna trade with us… It is a lot tougher to trade into the top of the 2nd and in conclusion I too am PISSED.
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If Donnie saying...
that the past 48 hours have been really exciting, just means Diop coming back were going to have a loooooong season.
Bill Walker anyone?
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
from dx blog
-I was just informed by the Trailblazers that Nicolas Batum was traded by Houston to Portland in exchange for the rights to Darrell Arthur and one of Portland’s early second round picks.
So................
CDR and Walker still there. I don’t know who the hell the Mavs wanted to fall. Rose? It makes no sense not to make a move for either of those.
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I wonder if there were tentative deals in place
if player X didn’t fall to the team with the pick. Memphis, namely, since they said they wanted to sell, and Cuban obviously expressed interest in buying.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Nikola Pekovic
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
update from fish
from db.com
PS: We readily acknowledge that ending up giving ‘Gana $5.7 mil or whatever – even though that’s what Dallas would’ve had to pay him to keep him had he not been traded – represents a circle-jerk of sorts. We had him. … we threw him into the Kidd trade. … he was a Net for two months … and now we have to use a major asset just to bring him back.PSS: More than a few people at Mavs HQ project Diop as the starter, with Dampier as his backup.
PSSS: The more I think about it, the more I think it’s not THE MAVS who want to give Diop the full MLE and would say that to the DMNews. … it’s Diop’s AGENT who would say such a thing.
also
Why haven’t the Mavs traded for a pick yet?Maybe they have.
Not to get your hopes up, but conventionally, trades are not necessarily announced during the process; often, picks are made for other teams without full revelation to the public. (And then they switch hats later!)
It’s a silly NBA bylaw, except for the fact, I suppose, that it adds intrigue.
The announcement – if there is one – would likely come at No. 51.
Could they have
already traded?
Very interesting.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
CDR
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
If Bill Walker goes next all hell is about to break loose.
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Could the Diop
sign and trade be a part of this? That can’t happen till next week though, right?
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 26, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, maybe
I was just trying to come up with a reason to not go with you to burn the AAC down.
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 26, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really thinking the Mavs make no trades tonight
Not because they don’t want to though.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
yeah at this point, trades are out of the question to get any picks
just bc teams have nothing to lose in using them
Ok, NBA teams
are gonna rue the day they passed on Bill Walker. This is getting ridiculous.
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Can he fall to 51?
Probably not with the Mavs luck.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Or we won't take him.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
I think the latter
knowing donnie, he has some no name white euro dude who isnt athletic worth a spit in mind that he will draft
5 more to go.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Probably Sea.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
its being
real tough to be a mavs fan
i had more fun in the 90s. at least we had hope.
4 more to go.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Crap crap crap
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
fuck
this is depressing
get ready for more eddie jones/devean george/random spare
So who we taking?
I haven’t heard about most of the dudes left.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Malik Hairston also picked.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Saw him going to us in a mock draft.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
I don't know..
You take best player and that appears to be Foster.
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shan foster
my guess. at least he was in the 3 point contest.
Wouldn't something like that have leaked by now?
Ala the Darrell Arthur trade that was just now announced?
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 26, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Foster.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
I thought
he was a white guy.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
Oh man...
Arthur for straight cash homie? I think he’ll be a bust but you gotta roll the dice.
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Are you serious?
This is soooooooooooooooooooooooo maddening if it’s true.
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Fuck you Cuban.
Lying bastard.
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
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