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Bye-Bye Boys: Free Agency Open Thread

Bradley_medium   Finley_medium

Yep that's right guys, at 11:00 pm CST the Mavericks organization can officially say "Bye-Bye" to these two yahoo's, as they come off of the Mavs payroll.  This act alone will save Mark Cuban about 25 million dollars this next year... unfortunately none of that will be able to be used at that very moment to go after any free agents.  Just the Full MLE is our only piece to go after FA's this summer, which this year is estimated to be at about 5.8 million dollars... enough to get one significant player, or two yuppie's that will be about as productive as the two above were for us last year, in my opinion.

BUT, I seem to think that Finley could end up back in a Mavs uniform to end his career here.  Dont get me wrong by me calling him names... I fully appreciate more than anyone what he did for this team and organization the years he was here.  I only call him names because he went to the worst possible team in the NBA.  But now that he has his ring, I would actually welcome his return with open arms... but only if the price is right... which means he better not get 1 cent of the MLE, and sign for the minimum.  At 35 years old and his recent play production in San Antonio his past few years... he's not worth a cent more than that.  Plus if we were to set expectations too high by paying him more, it would require him taking up PT from guys like Foster, Wright, etc. who need to develop in the NBA, it would drive us nuts.   He's been overpaid WAY too much by us the past few years, has gotten his championship, and now owes us at least this much in signing for the min. Bringing him in would also mean that Stack is gone, along with Eddie Jones.  I cant see us bringing back Finley, to join those other two, to give us 3 old guys, who can only shoot the 3 ball on offense, cant defend, and will cause us all to lose hair three times over.  One of these type of guys will be enough, especially if you figure that George will be retained.

Plus Stack and Jones (assuming he opts into his contract tonight) are worth about 9 million dollars together in expiring contracts... enough to lure any team out there to send us a fairly decent player in either a sign and trade deal, or just a trade.

Which now brings me too the next phase: what to do with the MLE.  I cant say Diop is worth the full MLE, but being that he is the BEST center available in the market right now, and he has that thing not a lot of other guys have on this team... YOUTH... its probably what its going to take to get him here, only because its what other teams are more than likely going to offer him.  So, unless we do a sign and trade deal, its pretty much all the MLE should Diop be in a Mavs uniform next year. 

BUT, there in lies the question... Do we get more value from the MLE and Diop, and doing a sign and trade for some one else... or use the MLE on someone else(s), use Stack or George in a sign and trade deal with Diop, thus preventing us from going after a 10 million dollar player?  Its my opinion that we should sign Diop for the MLE, and do the sign and trade thing for someone else... assuming that someone else is in the Maggette, Carter, Artest--type caliper player... someone who we COULD not get by just offering the MLE for.

So let the wild and crazy sign and trade proposals, and the lucrative MLE signing proposals lose here in this thread.  If you hear of any rumors, or just wish to throw in some crazy proposal like:  Use the MLE to get Gilbert Arenas or Jamison... or sign and trade Damp and Stack for LBJ... just let er rip in this thread.

Remember that tonight marks the time when teams can START TALKING with free agents, but no one can get signed until July 9th.

Ranking of the Free Agents, according to cbssports.com...

[Note by Toddy, 06/30/08 9:55 PM MDT ] More Free Agent rankings from ESPN

 

 

Star-divide

Centers

1. Francisco Elson SEA 34.07  
2. Earl Barron MIA 28.12  
3. Michael Ruffin MIL 21.17  
4. Kwame Brown MEM 21.05  
5. Dikembe Mutombo HOU 20.84  
6. Primoz Brezec TOR 18.19  
7. Jake Voskuhl MIL 15.96  
8. Alonzo Mourning MIA 11.36  
9. Theo Ratliff DET 10.56  
10. Jamaal Magloire DAL 00.63  

Shooting Guards

1. Ricky Davis MIA 76.50  
2. Michael Finley SA 65.25  
3. Roger Mason WAS 60.78  
4. Devin Brown CLE 59.36  
5. Eddie House BOS 57.75  
6. Bonzi Wells NO 56.92  
7. Fred Jones NY 55.99  
8. Kareem Rush IND 53.99  
9. Gordan Giricek PHO 34.27  
10. Juan Dixon DET 29.54

Small Forwards

1. Maurice Evans ORL 60.86  
2. Bostjan Nachbar NJ 60.28  
3. Jarvis Hayes DET 55.03  
4. Matt Barnes GS 54.41  
5. Quinton Ross LAC 53.14  
6. Mickael Pietrus GS 51.07  
7. Antoine Wright DAL 37.68  
8. Ira Newble LAL 26.36  
9. Ryan Bowen NO 24.09  
10. Pat Garrity ORL 4.47  

Point Guards

1. Beno Udrih SAC 62.59  
2. Anthony Carter DEN 61.25  
3. Jason Williams MIA 58.18  
4. Anthony Johnson SAC 53.63  
5. Keyon Dooling ORL 53.57  
6. Royal Ivey MIL 52.38  
7. Chris Duhon CHI 51.03  
8. Carlos Arroyo ORL 46.51  
9. Dan Dickau LAC 46.41  
10. Sam Cassell BOS 45.25  

Power Forwards

1. Antawn Jamison WAS 87.96  
2. Eduardo Najera DEN 57.37  
3. Kurt Thomas SA 55.82  
4. Malik Allen DAL 48.96  
5. Brian Skinner PHO 41.89  
6. Austin Croshere GS 20.45  
7. Robert Horry SA 17.28  
Poll
Will Finley be back in a Mavs uniform next year?
  • Yes
  • No
  • Only if he signs for the Vet. min.
  • Only if he signs for the vet min AND Stack and Jones are gone

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Baron Davis

Just opted out (I got a text via espn about it, but couldnt find any article.)... this is not any indication what so ever that I would like to bring him here, just wanted to keep everyone updated that the whining beard opted out.

Also Brand opted out

by Toddy on Jun 30, 2008 8:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Baron next team?

could he be a clipper?

Hours before the midnight deadline, the Golden State Warriors point guard opted out of the $17.8 million owed him in the final season of his six-year contract. Davis could still re-sign with the Warriors, but the possibility of returning to Southern California, where he grew up and played at UCLA, must intrigue him.

Davis’ decision stunned league executives and agents late Monday.

"He has to have some kind of a deal somewhere," an Eastern Conference general manager said. "You just don’t opt out of that kind of money."

Davis’ career had been reborn under Don Nelson’s small ball, but acrimony over contract talks have cooled the relationship between the Warriors and him. What’s more, Davis could be facilitating a sign-and-trade between Golden State and Los Angeles, or elsewhere.

The possibility of bringing Davis to the Clippers promises to be a major incentive in re-signing their own free agent, forward Elton Brand.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow,

could you have picked more painful pictures?!

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on Jun 30, 2008 8:57 PM CDT   0 recs

HAHA

VERY true.. but I think its a good indication of how far we have come since Bradley left… you dont see too much of that from Damp… and the finely pic was picked as to not get everyone TOO excited about bring him back at all costs, just because of what he did for this team when he was with us!

by Toddy on Jun 30, 2008 9:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Foster worked out today

here is the direct link, I also posted the link in the fanshots.

Here also is what Eddie Sefko had to say about his first practice today…

In his introduction to the Mavericks, Foster had more than just a cordial greeting. He went through a one-hour shooting drill and pretty much drained everything he threw at the basket. His high release should serve him well when he joins the summer-league squad next week in Las Vegas.

And, by the way, he’s confident, but in a quiet way.

“It went OK,” Foster said of his workout. “I always think of myself as my worst critic. Some people think I shoot great, and I think I didn’t shoot well at all. That’s just the high expectations I have of myself.”

Also, as Tim McMahon points out...

I noticed the other night that all the motivational banners have been removed from the walls in the Mavs’ practice gym. Of course, the Mavs had tuned out those banners and all of Avery Johnson’s other motivational tricks for months anyway.

by Toddy on Jun 30, 2008 9:26 PM CDT   0 recs

Another Rumor

Udrih to Dallas now?

Udrih to Dallas

The sentiment that Gana Diop will return to Dallas is growing stronger by the day, and it also appears that Kings guard Beno Udrih will be heading for the warmer climes of the Metroplex. The Mavericks would like to have a true point guard behind Jason Kidd and Udrih proved himself more than capable when he took the helm of the Kings last season. Plenty of suitors have inquired about the former Spur, but the word is the Mavericks have the inside track. Does this set up a trade for Jason Terry? It’s possible – maybe even likely. But don’t underestimate the possibility that the Mavs bring back their core group, which includes Jet. Terry played for new Mavs assistant Terry Stotts in Atlanta and the two are very much looking forward to the reunion.

Also included is this about Marbury being bought out, and could be added to the list of Free agents…

The closer we get to tomorrow’s free agency frenzy the more it looks like Stephon Marbury might find himself on the outside looking in. The Knicks are widely rumored to be on the verge of reaching a financial arrangement with Marbury that would free them of the troubled point guard…

Not that the Mavs should really be concerned about him though…

by Toddy on Jun 30, 2008 9:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Udrih gone

he verbally committed to Sacramento...

Udrih and the Kings have verbally agreed to a five-year contract for the full mid-level exception, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com.

Assuming the full mid-level comes in at $5.5 million this year, Udrih would get a contract worth $33.3 million. The same source said Udrih would have a player option for the fifth year of his contract.

That sucks…

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

udrih

Ive always thought of him as a quality player, even before he had his breakout season last year. He is only going to be 26 years old when the season starts.

He wont be a start but I think he can be a solid starting point guard for the next 4-5 years as he enters his prime.

My only problem would be what it takes to get him here. Backup PG is currently the 3rd area of need AFTER shooting guard and center.

by kumizi on Jun 30, 2008 10:00 PM CDT   0 recs

Corey Maggette and Elton Brand opt out...

Sign and Trade JET for Maggette, sign Udrih, bring back Diop.

by N41D on Jun 30, 2008 11:49 PM CDT   0 recs

I'd love to get Maggette

for just JET… but I dont see why the Clippers do it… Even though it was supposedly gonna happen last off season, I dont see that being a possibility this summer.

Now if Maggette is looking for a 4 year, 15-17 million dollar deal, and the Clips arent wanting to take on that much space for a long period of time, given that they are looking to resign Brand this year, I could see them MAYBE looking at doing Stack AND Terry (which would total about 17 million)... but thats a far stretch at that. That scenario IS however, IMO, the best scenario that could be had of any sign and trade deal we do for Maggette, Carter, Artest (though now that he has signed on for his final year in Sacramento, its doubtful that Sacramento deals with Dallas… unless its for Josh.)

Also if there is a way to sign both Diop and Udrih, this would be the best case scenario for the Mavs to have used their MLE… but there are too many teams who need an up and coming player like Udrih and would probably offer him more than what would be left over after signing Diop (assuming he doesnt demand the full MLE.) I say left over from diop, because the C position (possibly starting position) to me is a bigger hole to be filled on this team than the back up point guard is…

But a sign and trade is possible there though… maybe to get artest and Udrich you could sign Udrich to a 3-4 year, 21-28 million dollar-ish deal (which is more than he would get with anyone’s MLE), and send them the Terry/Stack combo. Again, far-fetched, and not sure why Sacramento would EVER do this, but its probably the best the Mavs could do with out losing Howard (which I dont even suggest because I am not quite set on trading howard when his value is low, and Terry’s is the highest it will ever be for the rest of his career IMO)

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Scratch that idea on Beno

and him signing for part of the MLE, he could be offered the FULL MLE by the Kings and possibly even more by the Clippers or New York.

Point guard Beno Udrih became a former King at 9 p.m. Monday, when the team was expected to dial his agent, Marc Cornstein, in New York before anyone else in an attempt to bring him back. Numerous sources close to the team said the Kings were prepared to offer Udrih their full midlevel exception (approximately $6 million) in a five-year deal.

The Kings’ most ardent competition for Udrih could be the Los Angeles Clippers, who likely will have ample salary cap room to offer Udrih more than the midlevel and are in desperate need of a point guard. New York also is believed to be interested, and the list most likely grows from there.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jamison

the 32 year old forward was given a 4 year, 50 million dollar deal with the Wizards.

W. O. W. I never thought he’d get that much money at his age. I didnt follow him much last year, but he must have had quite the contract year for Mr. Grunfeld to open his wallet that much for him.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 12:33 AM CDT   0 recs

jamison

averaged 21/10 last year after 20/8 and 21/9 seasons. He has been pretty consistent.

by kumizi on Jul 1, 2008 4:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That...

And Gilbert said he wouldn’t re-sign in Washington if Jamison wasn’t going to be there…

Either way, Grunfeld really screwed the pooch with those two contracts… They’ve fielded that same team for 3 years now, and they’ve gotten nowhere. Does he really expect that bringing back all the same guys will bring back better results? I just don’t see it… First and second round exits is about all you’ll get with that group.

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Morning Rumors...

First off, using the MLE. Of course all sorts of names are being tossed around out there, like Diop and Posey… but Matt Barnes?

Barnes’ agent, Aaron Goodwin, said Monday night that he was eager to initiate contact with the Mavericks.

“I think Matt is a good fit for them, but he’s a good fit for a lot of teams,” Goodwin said. “They are definitely on our list.”

Ummmm… no.
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From that same article, George’s agent seems to suggest that he and Cubes have kissed and made up, and that the presence of Rick-O has George excited to possibly return…

News to the George party… if signed, plan on being trade bait through February.
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Back to the MLE and Rumors… this one is interesting on Ben Gordon, though consider the source… but is seems as though even though he was offered 10 million last season and denied it, this guy seems to suggest that the Bulls wont even match the full MLE should a team offer it too him.
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The Nets owner, the thorn in all of our sides, openly admits that they are rebuilding. Let me go ahead and now suggest my Terry and Stack for VC trade once again to help you along that process there Jay-Z.

Also they are looking to move Stromile Swift.
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Just in case you were wondering, the price of Chalmers? 2 2009 2nd round picks and 2 Million dollars.
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Reports out of Denver are that Yakhouba Diawara is interested in the Mavs. Not sure I know about this yet…
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Cassell is alsoLBJ’s top 5 cities?

It appears, judging from James’ comments Monday, that the Nets might be James’ preferred destination if he opts out of his contract in the summer of 2010 and becomes an unrestricted free agent.

James listed New York as his favorite city Monday (his hometown of Akron, Ohio, came in fifth behind Washington, D.C., Dallas and Los Angeles)


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K thats it for now…

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 12:29 PM CDT   0 recs

whoops

cassell is also interested in dallas…

Girieck also available, not looking to resign with Phx necessarily. He could be the defender/shooter we were looking for in Eddie Jones last year.
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by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LeBron's Top 5 cities...

Should be interesting come 2010, looking at our current cap situation and LeBron’s impending Free Agency…

Dallas is a large enough market, and the fact that we’ll probably be closer to competing than either New York or New Jersey, that we could potentially be a player in that thing…

Obviously we probably shouldn’t hold out hope, but it is something to at least keep an eye on…

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ben Gordon...

If we traded Terry, that’s a guy I’d really find some interest in… But only if we traded Terry…

He’d come in here and instantly be the second best scorer on this team. He’d be a great 6th man type, and he’d have some of the pressure off his shoulders that he’s experienced in Chicago… Being able to come in here and know he’s not having to live up to unrealistic expectations could really help him.

As a third option behind Dirk and Josh, he’d be a real tough guard.

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 1:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gordon

still has the same short comings as Terry does, other than age… undersized SG/PG who primarily scores.

Gordon would be an upgrade though to Terry, but I think if Terry can be used to get a starting SG would bring more value to this team, than if we were to replace Terry with a younger version of himself.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Biggest difference between Gordon and Terry...

Is that Gordon has a wider arsenal with which he can score. He’s not a jump shooter like JET is. He can knock down jumpers, penetrate off the bounce… He’s far more explosive… And he’s strong enough that he’s not a total liability on the defensive end…

And maybe the way I phrased my response came across wrong… I didn’t mean that I’d necessarily trade Terry for Gordon, but if Gordon signed here for the MLE, there’s no way you can keep Terry on the roster. At that point you’ve got to go trade Jason…

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1
if Gordon signed here for the MLE, there’s no way you can keep Terry on the roster. At that point you’ve got to go trade Jason…

Couldnt agree more… but I still think that it will take more than the full MLE to get him here… thats what Chicago is offering…

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Howard and Terry for Gordon and Nocioni,

thoughts?

The talent that is Josh Hamilton.

by srdmad on Jul 1, 2008 4:44 PM CDT   0 recs

cant

first off, we would have to sign Gordon to a 12 million dollar deal just to get that too work salary… he is a FA, and Nocioni has only on year left at 8 mil… Gordon is being offered the full MLE by the Bulls, and though its likely he wont take that, he still is projected to not get more than 8 million dollars a year.

Plus, this doesnt make us any better. Gordon has the edge on Terry, because of his age, but Howard at his worst is still better than Nocioni in my opinion.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here is one S/T

Brand for Howard/Stack/Bass.

"Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?"

by sprite on Jul 1, 2008 5:22 PM CDT   0 recs

yes

the only thing is that Brand would be an undersized center…

but thats a risk I’d be willing to take in a heartbeat

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 5:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You think

the Clips would consider that?

"Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?"

by sprite on Jul 1, 2008 5:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe...

I am not sure how this works… but what is the status of Brand now that Davis has signed? Do they have room to do a Max deal with Brand now also? I dont think they do… Even though Brand opted out, does this waive the Clippers’s rights too him?

If they can go back now and resign Brand, after he opted out, cleared space for Baron, and then resigns for a max deal… thats pretty tricky…

And I think if thats the case, the Clips wont do this particular deal with the Mavs, just because I think that guys like Brand are too hard to come by…

But the good news for us would be, its gonna be really hard for them to then resign Maggette… and that at least puts our foot in the door for him… but I am still not sure though if we have what they need however.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahhh, I don't think so...

I wouldn’t mind to see Howard or Stack go but KEEP BRANDON BASS, PLEASE!!!

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.

by Super Saiyan Patrick on Jul 1, 2008 10:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Baron Davis signs with the Clippers...

WOW…

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3470016

One plus is that it all but guarantees Corey Maggette will not get more than the MLE… They’ve got to renounce his sign and trade rights to make this deal work, so he’s out there for 5.5 million or whatever…

Elton Brand will probably take a bit less money to stay in Los Angeles now…

And the bad part… It’s another team putting themselves in the discussion for those last two or three playoff spots next year… Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, Clippers, Portland, Golden State… SMH.

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 7:56 PM CDT   0 recs

what does this mean?
They’ve got to renounce his sign and trade rights to make this deal work, so he’s out there for 5.5 million or whatever…

Corey cant be sign and traded anymore?

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

K

I just looked it up… Corey cant be sign and traded any more…

This is a huge blow to dallas… If the MLE is all he will get, he surely will end up in Orlando, Boston, Phx, etc far before he ends up here in Dallas…

Unless Cuban, Kidd, and Dirk can do some pretty heavy convincing… wave Maggette good bye.

Once again, Davis screws us over.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If the MLE is the best Corey can get

he is all but a lock to head back to Orlando… and a huge steal at that.

But I dont see why this makes sense for him though? He just opted out of a 8 million dollar year next year, with the intentions of looking for his last big contract.

by Toddy on Jul 1, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think he opted out..

Expecting the Clips to go get Baron…

But they really stuck it to Corey with this signing… The MLE is his only option…

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No way golden state

or portland make the play offs next year or really come close portlands to young and goldenstate just lost Davis

kiddisaster

by aaronp on Jul 1, 2008 10:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're kidding yourself...

If you don’t think Portland is in the playoffs next year…

They went through their growing pains this year. They’re adding two impact players in Oden and Fernandez… That team is making the playoffs.

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 11:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mavs Sign Gerald Green...

1-year deal…

Worth a shot, at the very least…

by N41D on Jul 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT   0 recs

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