Josh for Josh?

by Toddy on Jul 20, 2008 9:34 PM CDT

Rumors, Rumors, Rumors. Its all we have really at this point in the year to get REALLY excited about. That is of course, besides the Oylmpics and some summer league stuff.

But what we all want to know is, will the top 7 guys currently signed to the Mavs, actually be the top 7 that we open the '08-'09 season with?

Maggette, Artest and now add Smith to the mix. Hoopsworld.com is reporting that a Josh for Josh needs to be looked at:

Some NBA pundits are proposing that the Hawks should re-sign Smith and then trade him to the Dallas Mavericks for Josh Howard. The notion makes sense for the Mavs, who are in desperate need of a defensive-minded power player. Smith can run with the best of the west and at only 22 years old is a solid long-term investment.

Howard would bring one of the more underrated offensive games to Atlanta. The question is, though, what would the Hawks do with their current three, Marvin Williams? They had developed an emerging combination of Williams outside the paint, Smith attacking the rim, and Al Horford defending the basket. How would the addition of Howard shake things up? This deal is all speculation at this point, but as the summer goes on without an offer for Smith, a sign-and-trade could become a more viable option.

Stein also commented about this on his weekend report.

I wonder, for example, if my coaching pal who asked me why the Dallas Mavericks aren't trying to assemble a deal that features former ACC player of the year Josh Howard going to Atlanta in some sort of package for Smith isn't onto something.

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Do it NOW.

by AirJordan on Jul 20, 2008 11:27 PM CDT 0 recs

I forget that Howard is 28

I say do it as well…

Where does that leave us at SG? Leave things where they are or make another move?

by BombDiggity on Jul 21, 2008 12:01 AM CDT 0 recs

thats kinda my thinking

on this deal… especially if its straight up (But wouldnt one think that the Hawks would want to keep Smith for 10 million a year? I guess though if he doesnt want to be there though)

I dont know that doing a straight up Josh for Smith, Artest etc. really makes us better in the immediate window of opportunity the Mavs are looking at with Kidd. I think they are wanting to be patient, in hopes that a player or deal will come along, in which they can dump Stack and entice with Bass for a player of this caliper. Maybe not though.

by Toddy on Jul 21, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up 0 recs

Howard's our best defender...

but Smith will be an even better defender. And he likes to drive the lane still…hasn’t regressed into that “shoot as many jumpers as possible!” mold yet…and I hope he never does. He’s one of my favorites. While I love Josh and hope we hang onto him, I’d do this deal in a heartbeat.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

Smith's Defense

I think the numbers on his defense suggest that he is a really good defender, but from what I have seen and what many view as the big knock on Smith RIGHT NOW is that he one on one defense is highly suspect, and his basketball I.Q. is average at best.

Two things that can surely be worked out in time, but IN TIME for Dirk and Kidd? I dont know. I would be ok with this trade, but dont necessarily think it moves us from the 5-8 best team in the west, into the 1-4 category.

Now that Childress has gone to Greece, I think that its going to take a LOT to get Smith away from them.

by Toddy on Jul 23, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

well, if Gerald Green were to pan out...

imagine the possibilities of a starting 5 of Kidd, Green, Josh Smith, Dirk and Dampier…

not the BEST shooters, but Green, Smith and Damp can sure finish whatever Kidd starts, and Dirk’s hot hand is still enough to merit the double team to free up that extra space. It’d be fun to watch, but we’d definitely need to keep a Richie Frahm-type pure shooter on the roster to rotate in, to keep defenses honest.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up 0 recs

Josh, Stack, Bass for Smith and Childress...

With Childress heavily considering taking another offer overseas, do you go to Atlanta and tell them you’ll take both guys through sign-and-trade? Offer them cap relief (considering their ownership situation you’ve gotta think this is always a plus, right?) with Stackhouse, a more traditional swing type to pair with Joe Johnson in Howard, and a young, super athletic big man in Bass to add depth behind Horford? Maybe add a pick to sweeten the deal?

by N41D on Jul 21, 2008 1:15 AM CDT 0 recs

good for the future

but not good for the present imo

smith’s offfensive game is very limited and this team needs a #2 to dirk.

by kumizi on Jul 21, 2008 2:27 PM CDT 0 recs

i agree

... but i think smith has shown flashes of his offensive potential… so i’d do this trade…

imagine kidd running the fast break with smith and green on the wings….

by kkengvib on Jul 23, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

imagine this

Sacramento backs off the need for howard, we get a highly motivated Artest in an expiring year for stack, bass, etc for artest and probably Thomas,

Then we do this Smith for Howard.

Kidd running the fast break with smith and possibly green on one end, and artest defending their best player on the other.

WOW.

by Toddy on Jul 23, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

+1

long term this is great… just not for this next year

by Toddy on Jul 23, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Josh for Josh, let's do it.

The team that continues to disappoint, the Arizona Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Jul 21, 2008 10:54 PM CDT 0 recs

with Childress gone now...

seems they’d want to keep Smith now, no?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2008 11:21 AM CDT 0 recs

yeah

childress going to greece just made a josh for josh trade highly unlikely… I am sure the hawks would match a 10 mil per year offer that would need to do this trade straight up. But when you start getting higher than that, you have to wonder if you couldnt get the same type of deal done with the bobcats and wallace for howard.

Wallace seems to have started a bit of a history with injuries, but might have more value with his contract. Pretty risky though, just throwing this out there. Not sure if I would do it straight up for howard.

by Toddy on Jul 23, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up 0 recs