The Black hole we have at SG
by Toddy
on Jul 9, 2008 6:42 PM CDT
Diop is signed, JJB is on the way. Only thing left now is to sign and trade to fill this ever growing hole we have at the SG spot. Below are some ideas to fill it, put your proposals in as you think of ways the Mavs can fill it.
First off, any deal that we do for these guys, its my opinion that JET, not Josh, must be dealt. While he is a great locker room guy, shoots the ball well, and is a great towel thrower… he is too small to defender the larger SGs in the league. His value is as high as it will ever be from here on out, and I think now would be the perfect time to move him.
Artest. Much of what was said about
VC. This is intriguing because the guy is an offensive machine. But his game reminds me a lot of Stackhouse’s when he was younger, and I think that as he gets older, he will keep moving farther away from the basket… which one cant be too excited about. He defense is subject at times, but seems to have the legs and body to stay with his man most of the time. His contract would be a nightmare for the Mavs as well.
Josh Smith. Tons of upside, young, athletic, and energetic. Too me, this is like having a skinnier version of Bass, but who can rebound as well. Unfortunately, it would probably take quite a bit to get him here, as the Clippers are now looking to offer way too much for him, and
Posey. Bringing him here really doesn’t do much for me. I think his play for
Harrington. It seems as though GS is trying to shop him. Not a fan of bringing him here, but it is an option as he is not a true PF, and probably prefers the SF spot anyway.
Jefferson/Redd. It would be nice, but after seeing Bogut get his payday today, its highly unlikely they are going to move one of those guys. I think they now see themselves as contenders out East. Unless Jefferson demands a trade, I dont think the Bucks will be dealing any time soon.
Other names who are SG/SF FA’s, but who are guys that the Mavs probably wont or shouldn’t touch.
Iguoldala
Deng
Ellis
Childress
JR Smith
Ricky Davis
Barry
Barnes
Finely
Gireck
Wright (wouldn’t mind him back actually)
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I really like Josh Smith,
if it only took Howard or Terry and Stack to get him. And even if we did get him, what happens to Bass? Both forward spots would be taken, leaving him as the odd man out and most likely not to be resigned next year. If Bass could start at SF for us this year, the list of guys we would like to have would go down and we could focus on just SG. Would Chicago take Howard for Hinrich? Or how about Nocioni instead?
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by srdmad on Jul 9, 2008 7:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Im not sure
trading howard for either Hinrich or Nocioni really helps this team improve.
Hinrich might be worth it’s for Terry, but then why would they do that when they already have Gordon?
Nocioni didnt even start for Chicago at times last year, was burdened with injuries, and what he brings to any team I think we find elsewhere. Like a Najera.
by Toddy on
Jul 9, 2008 8:34 PM CDT
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Josh Childress...
Of the at least somewhat realistic options, he’s easily my favorite…
by N41D on Jul 9, 2008 8:31 PM CDT 0 recs
I think what happens with
Josh Smith, will determine what can be done with Childress. If Smith is somehow retained by the Hawks, Childress will more than likely be looking for a new home. But again, it will have to be a sign and trade deal, and I dont know that the Hawks are interested in taking back anything that we have.
by Toddy on
Jul 9, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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+1
Josh Childress—make it happen.
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by Chase Irwin on
Jul 10, 2008 10:41 PM CDT
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Deng..
seems like he stands out to me out of all of the guys you listed on the bottom list. Some of those just seem like they’re too old to me and pushing washed up status. I think Deng is a good combination guard with some room left to grow.
by b3tts32 on Jul 10, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Deng would be great...
But what do we have that they’d even want? Not a good match, IMO…
They have no interest in JET unless they could dump Hinrich and Gordon, they don’t need Dampier, Stackhouse isn’t a good fit there either…
by N41D on
Jul 10, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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I agree..
that we don’t have much of a chance at getting him, I was just stating that that’s who stood out the most to me looking at the list.
Looking at our roster I don’t see pieces anywhere that anyone would be interested in that we deem tradeable. Maybe Diop is someone that could be looked at for the sign and trade but I only see western conference teams looking at him for his post defense. Besides that.. I don’t see any teams within our conference trading for him. That’s just my $.02 though
by b3tts32 on
Jul 10, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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Can't use Diop as sign and trade...
He’s ours through at least the trade deadline…
The best we can hope for at this point is someone starts looking to shave salary over the next year (Atlanta if they match a big offer for Smith?) and we can trade them something like Stackhouse and Eddie Jones for Josh Childress and, say, Speedy Claxton? ...
Maybe the same goes for the Bulls if they start looking to dump Hinrich and Ben Gordon since neither really fits well with Derrick Rose…
by N41D on
Jul 10, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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Personally
I’d like to see us try to pry Francisco Garcia away from Sacramento. Not sure how we could, but he’s not cemented in as a starter for them, and when he gets playing time, he scores, passes, rebounds, and defends very well – can hit the 3. He’d be a perfect starting SG for us.
If we can’t do that, I know everybody’s down on Ricky Davis that I have talked to, but he does the same things: scores, rebounds, passes, steals, and hits the 3. Perfect fit for this team if we can get him to dedicate to the team and winning.
If we can’t do either of those, I’d go after Hinrich
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2008 11:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Ricky Davis..
seems to wishy washy for me. Ever since that whole missing a shot on purpose to get a rebound it seems like he’s gone down hill. That’s just my opinion though
by b3tts32 on
Jul 10, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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I'm just going off of
stats and what I’ve seen of him in the past. He’s an athlete, a shooter, and CAN defend. I like it
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by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 10, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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Garcia...
Now there’s a guy I could get excited about… Doubt he’s available though…
Ricky Davis… Hell no.
by N41D on Jul 10, 2008 12:03 PM CDT 0 recs
+1
Although, if we were to do a deal with Sacramento for Garcia, I’d like to hope we did everything we could to get artest first.
by Toddy on
Jul 10, 2008 2:22 PM CDT
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I'd much rather have Garcia
unless the price is equal
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 10, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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why garcia over artest?
from a player stand point… not personal issues, artest is FAR the superior defender and all around player… The defense at that position has been horrible for years, never mind the offense. The only exception was Griffin who was on the finals squad… but even then.
by Toddy on Jul 10, 2008 5:07 PM CDT 0 recs
well
it will take much more to get Artest, I would think…Garcia’s younger…and I’m sorry, but you can’t block out the personal issues. There’s a reason Artest’s in the annual trade rumors, and it’s not primarily because of his talent on the court. I also see Garcia as more of a SG than a SF, and thus a more natural fit into our starting rotation. Artest is a SF, and while I would certainly welcome a starting swing position of Howard and Artest, it may have a negative impact on Howard.
Now I have no idea how this would work, but let’s say the Kings would give up a backup power forward with Garcia for Stackhouse’s expiring contract. How much is Artest going to cost? Bass is a good starting point, and even there, we don’t have the matching contracts to get it done (that I can see). We could also trade Howard for Artest and Spencer Hawes, but I personally don’t want to give up on Howard. He’s had one bad month. Artest has been suspended for an entire year.
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by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 11, 2008 12:56 AM CDT
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I guess I like artest
because of his personal issues, he can be obtained for less than what he is worth. Kinda like Adam Jones was, Tank Johnson, Stackhouse, and even TO. Not saying that bringing Artest here would all of the sudden change his past, but I think that while it would take more to get Artest, Sacramento would be more willing to part with him for less (in comparision to his value as a player) because of those issues than they would Garcia (who they see a lot of upside in). Plus he would be returning to play for a coach, who has seemed to have suggested that he wouldnt mind if he coached artest again.
But say they were shopping Garcia, we probably would have to take on one of their bad contracts, like Shareef or Kenny Thomas’s. Both of them are being paid about 6-8 mil per year…. which is about what Stack is getting paid. So maybe Stack + Bass and maybe Jones could get this done. But then again, if we are shopping both Stack and Bass around, is Garcia the best we could get for them? I dont know. Garcia is good, but he is a little undersized being 180 lbs, and struggles defensively when I have seen him play. I think we could possibly get a little bit better all around player with Bass, Stack, JET, and Jones being used as our trading pieces.
by Toddy on
Jul 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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Artest
over Garcia. Even though he is a nut case. Of all the other guys on that list, I like Ellis and Childress the best. I’m not too sure if any of them will end up in Big D though…
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by Super Saiyan Patrick on Jul 10, 2008 7:18 PM CDT 0 recs
Every fan wants Artest
I know that the numbers would work with the Kings trading Terry and Jones for Garcia and Artest…..But it just doesnt seem like its going to happen…I think the mavs should really pursue it if it doesnt involve trading Dirk,Kidd, Howard or Diop….
And if they couldnt get Artest well I would have to agree Ricky Davis is a far better option than any thing else we have at that position I would start him any day over Terry, Stackhouse, Jones or Green.
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by aaronp on Jul 10, 2008 9:41 PM CDT 0 recs
wow.
if we end up trading Terry and Jones for Garcia and Artest, I’ll do a naked backflip off the third story of my condo
you never know what Gerald Green is going to show up like…could be the beginning of something special, he’s only 22
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by Walter Sobchak on
Jul 11, 2008 12:58 AM CDT
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I really liked him when he got drafted
and he was a slam dunk champion….....has a ton of potential, how sweet would it be if he turns into the High energy/driving-the-lane/high scoring SG We’ve needed
if him and Bass fufill their potential that would be amazing…...but highly unlikely I guess…
by slash on
Jul 14, 2008 4:20 AM CDT
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One name I forgot
but is someone who could be intriguing if we could get Stack and Sloan to go along with it is AK-47 outta utah.
The guy is way over paid, but defensively could bring it every night. You just dont know what you are going to get outta him offensively though.
by Toddy on Jul 11, 2008 12:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Kirilenko
is solid on d but is pretty weak offensively. I would take him if we gave up Stack though, in a heartbeat. I just don’t wanna hear any more talk of trading Bass, I would crawl into a hole if we got rid of him…
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by Super Saiyan Patrick on Jul 11, 2008 5:48 PM CDT 0 recs
What about some kind of Kidd deal to Detroit or Chicago.
Stuckey or Rose could really learn from him and his contract is up after this season.
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by srdmad on Jul 11, 2008 6:46 PM CDT 0 recs
I dont think
the Mavs would move kidd before the season started… but by the trade deadline, we should have a pretty good idea of where we stand and could possibly move everyone.
by Toddy on
Jul 12, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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