Labor day weekend links
Not too much going on right now with the Mavs. Everyone though pretty much has their roster more or less set to start the season with, so the predictions and pre-season power rankings are starting to flood in. First up though, lets start with an outlook on our own Southwest Division.
Art Garcia and other team bloggers from their respective teams websites have completed a three part series of looking at the major moves, summer league, and a final outlook as to what to expect from each team in the SW.
The Mavs are looking to return to elite status in the Western Conference. Those who run the show believe the window for a championship is still open because of former MVP Dirk Nowitzki and fellow Olympian Jason Kidd.
The trick is getting consistent contributions from the supporting cast, namely Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Erick Dampier, Gana Diop, Jerry Stackhouse and Brandon Bass. Charged with the task of getting it back together is Rick Carlisle, a veteran coach with an even-handed approach who led playoff teams in Detroit and Indiana.
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SI.com has also broken down the SW division team by team, stating what went right and what went wrong this off season. Suprisingly they say that keeping Howard this summer was something the Mavs did right, along with hiring Howard, and that the resigning of Diop about Kidd's age.
Grade: C
Clearly this team had tuned out Johnson. But will the hard-driving Carlisle have its ears for very long? Of course, he may not need very long with Kidd sliding toward the end of his career. For a team that boasted one of the youngest and talented cores only two years ago, the title window appears to be closing. It will be hard to keep it propped open with the more balanced Lakers and Hornets emerging as the dominant Western powers. If Carlisle can't get this club past the first round in the spring, a housecleaning could be next.
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ESPN makes some VERY conservative picks as to how the West will end up, with the Lakers only winning 55 games and Dallas coming in at 7th behind Phx and ahead of Portland and winning 45.
More links and news following the break....
Erick Blasco ranks the top 30 centers in the league heading into this next season, not much love for Diop and Damp.
16) DeSagana Diop—Dallas Mavericks
Diop is probably the best post defender in the league, thanks to his diligent work ethic, quick feet, and massive frame. He’ll even move his feet on switches., and uses angles well to hang with guards and wings for a beat or two before being outraced.His screens are massive, but he has poor awareness offensively and no refined offensive skill to hang his hat on. He can’t pass, or shoot, and is turnover-prone.
27) Erick Dampier—Dallas Mavericks
The word “Dampier” in the dictionary is listed as a synonym for “foul trouble.” Sure Dampier is big, sure he’s strong, but he can never stay on the court, and isn’t as tough as he looks.This can be proved by examining how Tyson Chandler pushed him around with ease during last year’s playoffs, forcing Dampier to reaffirm his toughness by shoving Chris Paul late in a blowout Game Three loss.
Dampier is consistently unreliable.
Probably an accurate description of both of these guys, but where he has them on his list seems to suggest both being a little underrated. Especially when he has the likes of Kurt Thomas, Snaq, and Haslem all ahead of Diop. Diop is VERY limited offensively, but his defense is one that could set the bar in the leauge for centers if he continues to develop.
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Tom Ziller is ranking the top 50 players in the league, starting from player number 50 and making his way down. Josh falls in at number 48.
t's unclear whether he'll get past whatever blocked his path late last season. If so, Dallas should surprise and be a very good team again.
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Manu is going to need surgery on hls heel, will this be another injury for San Antonio that prevents them from contending again this year?
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Clarkpojo over at SLCDunk made a list of trades that he thinks should be made this season, one of them being the following...
3. Ben Gordon for Jason Terry and Eddie Jones- Gordon will basically force Chicago's hand on a trade. It is now the Bulls' job to try to get something for him. The Mavericks could use some new blood and a shooter and Chicago could get a truer shooting guard in Terry to salvage Gordon's loss. Of course, it would have to be a sign and trade, but Gordon can't expect to sign for any more than $14 a year.
I like the two players going to Chicago, but not the one coming back. Ben Gordon would leave us with the same problem Terry currently does, and undersized SG who does not have the ball handling skills to play the point. Chicago has many pieces that Dallas would be interested in, but Gordon for Terry would not be one of them
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Our starting lineup would be big if we had Bass starting instead of Terry.
6’5 Kidd, 6’5 Howard, 6’8 Bass, 7’0 Dirk, and 6’11 Dampier.
The best rotation lies in the desert.
by srdmad on Aug 30, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Diop is gonna start this year
over damp… which us even bigger, and more athletic even IMO.
I really wanted to see this lineup last year, but I remember reading somewhere that when Avery was asked about playing bass at the 3 he said there was no chance with no explanation. IF this somehow works, the hole at the sg is filled, JET plays in a more comfortable role as the 6th man, instant offense guy, and all then we really need is for singleton to come in a play some back up pf minutes.
Wishful thinking, but ya never know!
by Toddy on Aug 31, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be big but..
who exactly is Bass going to guard at the 3 spot? Also there is no outside threat whatsoever with that lineup.
by b3tts32 on Sep 1, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd? Howard? Dirk?
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Sep 1, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of those guys can shoot threes or make long jump shots.
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Sep 1, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk can't make 3's???
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.
by Super Saiyan Patrick on Sep 1, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I should have clarified..
Yes they can shoot threes and make long jump shots but any guy in the nba can make or shoot 3’s. Being a threat to make them is a whole different story.
If you haven’t noticed recently.. teams have been just about begging for Kidd to take any long distance shot possible and he’s hesistant when he is wide open. Howard can hit from outside but he’s inconsistent to say the least.
I should have clarified with Dirk when I said there was no outside threat whatsoever. What will happen with Bass in the lineup is that the teams 3 guard will move over to defend Dirk and he would be forced to take him down to the block. Once he takes him down to the block because of the mismatch the defense is going to help off of Dampier and Bass due to their shooting deficiencies. (although bass usually knocks down the 12footer consistently) So that leaves Dirk kicking it out to Kidd or Howard for the knock down jumper which isn’t bad from time to time but do we wanna live off of that?
Maybe I haven’t made a whole lot of sense but that’s just my opinion.
by b3tts32 on Sep 1, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Kidd was our best shooter from 3 percentage wise…
Kidd has a mentality that he must pass first, because he is more effective that way. Thats why teams play off of him. Doesnt mean he cant shoot though. He is not the best pure shooter on our team by any means, but he can knock them down when he needs to.
If Bass can continue to consistently hit his 10-15 ft jumpers, putting Dirk down on the block should not be a problem. I agree though, that he Bass struggles with those, having pretty much Josh and Kidd as your only two options will become VERY easy to defend.
by Toddy on Sep 1, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want Kidd shooting too many 3's though...
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.
by Super Saiyan Patrick on Sep 1, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be refreshing
to see just about any new guy come in. We just need to do something, take a risk, lay it all on the line, GROW A PAIR! I just wanna see some new life and excitement injected into this once proud team…
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.
by Super Saiyan Patrick on Aug 30, 2008 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Aug 31, 2008 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will be spending all my time here now.
I had an incident at Azsnakepit.com
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Aug 31, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's just say I don't want to post there anymore.
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Sep 1, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Ben Gordon trade...
Is something you HAVE to pull the trigger on if it came available…
Undersized SG, sure… But he’s a far better scorer than Jason Terry is at this point in their careers. He’s a better shooter, he handles the ball better, gets in the paint at will… It’s an absolute upgrade.
by N41D on Aug 31, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would take him
Getting rid of Terry and Jones? F’sho…
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.
by Super Saiyan Patrick on Aug 31, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'm sure he can defend better. I haven't heard his defense is a plus,
but could it be average enough?
I’d aim for Hinrich and settle for Gordon for sure.
"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 31, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toddy
I’m with you on at least looking at starting Bass at the 3 if Green can’t cut it in the starting lineup as the 2 and we don’t make anymore significant moves.
Bass defense well enough and is quick enough to guard opposing SFs, and our defense would be pretty nice with either Damp or Diop at C (Damp’s a lot better of a defender when he can count on Diop coming in to give him a breather or if he’s in foul trouble), Dirk the only real liability at PF but not even bad anymore, Bass at the 3, Josh taking the opposing team’s best/faster player out of their PG and SG, and Kidd taking the other PG/SG
Terry as 6th man off the bench, plus the other center, Stackhouse, Green, etc. coming in to provide scoring makes that a very strong bench as well…I think a lot depends on whether or not Barea can be counted on as a backup PG
"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 31, 2008 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I started the Bass at SF idea.
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Sep 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying.
The offensive machine flows in Texas.
by srdmad on Sep 1, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Srdmad is right
he did bring it up here recently… but its something I was pushing for last year until Avery came out and said he would never do it.
Offensively, I dont see many flaws except you dont have a real deep threat in the line up outside of Dirk. Josh maybe, but the jury is still out on which Josh will show up this year. But you could have JET come in at the 6 min mark for Diop, and run a small line-up with Dirk at the 5 for a bit. I thought the times Avery did that last year, and those guys got out and ran, that was a pretty effective offensive line-up.
Defensively with that lineup, I actually see Dirk moving down to the SF and Bass switching over to the PF at times, like when we play teams such as phx and NO. Bass will do better defensively against the likes of West and Amare, where as Dirk can play the perimeter D slightly better against ankle-less Hill and 3pt marksman Peja.
Main thing with this is that you have a ton of flexibility and a bunch of different looks that you can throw at teams to figure out how to match up against us, instead of us trying to figure out how to match up against them. That is what the beauty of Nellie ball always was with us in the past. Teams, Avery in the 2007 playoffs, are always trying to figure out how to match up against his teams. If Bass or Dirk have a smaller defender on them, punish them down low until they throw a bigger defender on them. Then if they have larger defenders on them, push the ball and make those guys defending them run.
IF the Mavs are going to attempt this though, it needs to begin early in the season, so we are not trying to “figure things out” in February. The more time and experience early on Bass can get at SF, better decisions can be made in December and January as to what direction this team needs to be going in.
by Toddy on Sep 1, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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