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Big Ed over at DMNews interviews Rick Carlise.  Following the break are  some highlights of that interview with some of my thoughts about Rick's answers.  I also am interested to know what you guys think of Rick and his approach to this season so far.

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Check out what Hollinger's review of this Summer's transactions were. 

Under the "I don't get it" section...

I'm still waiting to find out who in the Mavs' organization Devean George has pictures of. He signed a third contract with Dallas, even after providing abundantly mediocre production in the first two, and it wasn't just a token minimum-wage gig either -- he got a two-year deal worth $3.2 million. Or maybe it was a belated reward for his efforts to try to save Dallas from making the Jason Kidd trade.

While the Mavs were busy locking up unproductive swingmen, they re-upped Antoine Wright for two years and $3.6 million, too. This announcement was a bit of a surprise to me, given that it came right after I talked to an exec who was on the fence about whether to offer Wright a deal for the minimum.

I don't really get it either John, but if you have followed the Mavs closely the past few summers, these moves don't really come to much of a surprise.  Filling a roster of really old or "a lot of upside with no risk" spare parts for the SG/SF spot is something the Mavs deserve an A+ in.  Though the George signing is still baffling.

 

Star-divide

How is your team, physically, heading into camp?

Right now, everything is good. There were a few things over the summer that had to be resolved. Brandon (Bass) had a thing with his right shoulder that didn't require surgery. He's made the kind of progress that they believed he would make. So he's here now working out. Everybody else has been good. JJ (Barea) has a little minor back thing, but that should be OK in a couple days.

I dont remember there being any reports of Bass struggling with his shoulder last year, so this comes to me at a little bit of a surprise.  One has to wonder though how much of that limited him working on his game this summer though.  Can we expect an improvement from last season, or was his time spent rehabbing his shoulder? 

I also am curious to see what kind of shape Diop is in, now that he has been paid.  The summer he came to Dallas the first time, he lost a ton of weight.  An overweight Diop wont help his chances of not only starting, but being as effective on the defensive end.  Either way, Kidd is going to have this team running.

What did you think of the Houston Rockets trading for Ron Artest, who was on some of your most successful teams at Indiana?

It's a significant move because he's an impact player. It's easy to see why expectations are going to be sky high there with that trio of stars (Artest, Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming) and a real good supporting cast. It just makes this division a little tougher.

I know that you have to hold back some of your true feelings when dealing with the media, but you have to believe this was a huge blow to the organization.  Before this trade, they were in the mix of being the 2nd best team in this division.  Realistically, an outsider cant look at this division right now and see the Mavs as being any better than the 4th, maybe 3rd best (pending the health of the Spurs big 3) team in the division. 

But we all know how Houston handles their high pre-season expectations.

What would you consider a quality season for the Mavericks?

I have never put a number on any of that stuff. Maybe you're setting the bar too low. You never know. So for us, it's going to be about competing at a championship level and at the highest possible level and competing our best. If we do that, then the number of wins will take care of itself.

I'm not coming in here trying to set the bar low or anything like that. I don't think you come into a city like Dallas or a franchise like this or to an owner like Mark Cuban trying to curtail expectations. I just think that's sending the wrong message to everybody.

Carlise really needed to answer his question with one word.  Championship.  If that's not the mentality of this organization, there is no hope.  After all, that's what we have all been fed with the Jason Kidd deal, the firing of AJ, and the acquisitions of Diop, Wright and (gulp) George.  Don't downplay the absolute importance that this team has to be another championship or bust mission like they were in '06.

What kind of style will fans see when the season tips off Oct. 30?

Our strength is obviously going to be our trio of top players with Dirk, Jason Kidd and Josh (Howard). And I'd also put Jason Terry and (Jerry) Stackhouse into that mix because those are veteran guys who have been through the wars. I expect those guys to play big for us.

Our center position is terrific. We've got a strength in numbers situation along with some terrific players. We're going to have to perform well in close games. That's an area where, two years ago, the Mavericks won seemingly every close game, and last year there was a falloff. There's a fine line between 67 wins and 51 wins. But that's the way it is. We're going to be in a lot of tight games, and we're going to have to be able to finish.

No surprise here, as we all knew that the team's success will mainly lie on our big 3.  Terry can be included in the importance of the teams success, but it won't lie on his shoulders this year.  Nor will it lie with Stackhouse.  Both of those guys will need to show up for us at times, when one of the big three dont show up, but to expect them to play on the same levels that we are expecting our big 3 to play at is not realistic.

"Strength in numbers" definitely applies to the center and maybe power forward position, but not much else.  Having a plethora of spare 2/3's behind Josh and ? is not strength in numbers. Same goes with the pg spot, a  combination of JJ and JET, to go along with Kidd is questionable in saying there is "strength in numbers" at that spot. 

A difference of 16 wins, is hardly a fine line, but a good point he brings up here.  Dallas won A LOT of close games two years ago, but only 5-8 of those are ones that MAYBE could have gone either way.  That team was good, we can't discredit that, but finishing games, especially the close ones, will be critical for this team to regain confidence and move deeper into the playoffs.

You mentioned the center position. Is that starting spot open? And is the shooting guard spot open, too?

Possibly. I think we have to look at it and say Jason Kidd, Dirk and Josh are going to be starters. There are possibilities at the other spots. I don't think it's fair to say right now that we've penciled anybody in.

I love the fact that Stackhouse has embraced being a part of this franchise as one of the best sixth men in the game. And I know he's willing to continue to do that. But there's also a chance that maybe he should start. I don't think any kind of prognostication on my part at this point is fair. That's why you have training camp, to figure those things out.

I feel ok with Stack starting and bringing in Terry off the bench fairly quickly, even though Stackhouse was really a disappointment last year.  He has to get his 3 pt shooting back above 40% if he wants to stay in this rotation.  The one thing you can say about Stack, is that he brings a chip on his shoulder though that no one else in our rotation of spares can bring night in and night out.  If his game is reminisent of what it was last year, then quickly park him or ship him, and let a young guy like Wright or Green come in to embrace that roll and develop.   The key will be to get PRODUCTION from that spot. 

If Rick wants to start off with Stack at that spot, fine.  What will separate Rick from Avery in this aspect, will be to see if he lets a guy like Stack struggle through his game at a declining point in his career, or let some of the young guys struggle their way through their games at a young age with the hopes that they develop into a consistent player.

I also think Diop fits in better with Kidd offensively, than even Damp did.  Even though Damp's offensive game significantly got better when Kidd arrived last year, I think potential for Diop's can be even better.

And the centers?

(Erick) Dampier is a damn good starting center in this league. He really is. And (DeSagana) Diop is a guy who would start on a lot of teams, as well. That's a great battle, and that position is going to be one of the strengths of our team.

If you're going to be a championship-caliber team, defense and rebounding are critical. They are things that are often overlooked to a certain degree. No one has won the NBA championship playing small ball yet. There are teams that have won it that have the ability to go small. But you still have to have size to compete at the highest level. That's why Dampier and Diop, that's why we value those guys so much.

If we can get the same type of production at the defensive end from these two that we have seen in years past, we are going to be pretty tough defensively.  Even with the aging perimeter guys on this team, having a defensive presence like these two really covers up some of those weaknesses.  I predict that once again, the anchor of this defense will come from the center position.

The only reference point fans have for Jason Kidd is how he struggled in Avery Johnson's offense. At 35, has his age caught up to him?

Jason Kidd? I'm ecstatic to be in the same locker room with J-Kidd. Jason has hammered my teams so much through the years. I'll say this: If people want to doubt his abilities, let them go ahead. But I would caution them against it. You should never underestimate greatness.

I would say that as a point of reference, we also have the Olympics to go with.  It was obvious to me that in order for Kidd to be even remotely effective, the team will HAVE to run.  I would say that his age hasn’t impaired his ability on the offensive end, but the defensive side of his game is another story.  He has the knowledge to be in the right places at the right times, but the legs just aren't what they used to be.  He can be physical with the larger guards, but against the quicker ones he will continue to struggle.  This is where the Center position will need to be at its best in helping Kidd out when the likes of Paul, Williams and Parker blow right by him.

I don't doubt his abilities to run the show, and do certain things on the offensive end, but greatness?  Greatness might have been 3-4 years ago when he was on the All-Defensive team AND running an effective offense.  It'll be great if we can just get him to do his thing on offense consistently, and not be a huge liability on defense. 

Do you expect this roster to be the one that opens the season?

Yeah, unless there was some kind of a trade, which I doubt there will be. We've got 14 contracts, so we got a 15th spot that we may look at. Maybe some other veteran will fall through the cracks. Or maybe we keep a young player. But this is it for now.

Discouraging words to hear for most of the already discouraged fans.  I think we all pretty much saw this coming, but because we had been somewhat led to believe something else, we still had hope for a more complete roster.  Primarily in the starting line up regarding the SG position.  I still think that we are one piece away from truly contending for a title, no matter how things turn out.  I hope I'm wrong, but look for the Mavs to still do a deal sometime during the regular season to improve our SG spot.

 

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Carlisle=Nellie 2.0???

But…I think right now one thing we can hope for is that this season (and possibly the next) will be Kidd’s best in the twilight of his career. Combine that with the possibility that this could be a season in which we see the re-emergence of Josh Howard and him getting back into all star-caliber form. And I still think the best 2 or 3 years of Dirk’s career are going to begin, starting this season. There are definitely a few areas of concern for the squad, but alas, all hope is not yet lost. I agree with ya Todd, I think we’re one solid player away from competing and if anyone could ever shake some sense into the F.O., hopefully we’ll make a move.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you come in first.

by Super Saiyan Patrick on Sep 10, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On Carlise

Really I think the underlining issue of what the Mavs are expecting from him are exactly that, bringing together the contrasting styles of play that we saw from both Nellie and Avery.

To say Avery never ran would be incorrect, but towards the end of his stint in Dallas, he never pushed us to consistently run though either. Especially with Kidd. It was almost as if he wanted to slow it down even more once Kidd arrived, just to make a point.

While I am all for Rick implementing the open offense much like Nellie did/does, the biggest downfall of his teams and those of the coach with 3 first names have been their defense. We have come so far defensively from the days of Nellie, that I think we need to be careful in solely focusing in on the offense. Most of these guys have played in or know how to play in an open offense, I almost say Rick needs to sit back and let Kidd run the show offensively. There is where I see Kidd really stepping up and being the leader of this team this year, possibly even more so than Dirk.

by Toddy on Sep 10, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Our center position is terrific", "Dampier is a damn good starting center in this league"

Yeah, terrificly overpaid. If you press me hard, I would sign a “decent” grade for Damp and Diop, but for “terrific” you would have to hold a gun to my head.
I’m happy Diop is back so at least there is an alternative, but he simply has never shown he is worth a full MLE for multiple seasons, and he is already 26, so the is upside fairly limited. And Damp has one of the top 15 worst contracts in the league.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 11, 2008 5:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At this point

I can care less about how much they are paid at this point, and am more concerned about what they are gonna bring to the court. I agree that Damp has a HORRIBLE contract, but with 16 mil at the center position, defensively you can maybe name a handful of guys who are paid around that that price who would be better defensively at about 12-13 rpg, and 2.7 bpg, and no combo’s at the C position in this league will come close to what those guys bring defensively. The one exception off the top of my head that I could see being a hands down better value than what the Mavs have is San Antonio with Oberto and Thomas. I would also say Bynum and Gasol, but Bynum is looking at an 80 mil deal that will put their center position into the 25-30 mil per year range, unless Gasol moves down to the PF, in which case you cant compare. Maybe there is more, but I cant think of any.

Let’s not forget either how remarkably healthy and reliable these guys have both been in comparison to most other centers in the league. I can only remember Damp having a shoulder injury in the GS playoffs, but he still played. They both are ready to play pretty much every night.

Offensively of course is a different story. One has to expect more than 9 ppg… from the both of them. Diop has the most room for improvement here. If he can get his points in the 6-9 range, with hopes that Damp averages about 4-5 (he averaged 6 last year)… that’s pretty good all around production from the C spot. Getting this more than 12ppg at the C spot will be gravy this season. Asking Diop to double or triple his ppg might be a lot, but I think its possible if he and Kidd get on the same page. 3-4 lobs a game to Diop from Kidd is something we saw Damp do quite a bit last year… I dont know why it would be any different with Diop. Kidd is going to look for those guys to be open, like he did with Damp last year, because their defenders have usually played off them quite a bit… I expect both to happen again this year, their defenders play off of them, and Kidd continually looking for the occasional lob.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see how it all plays out though. Im not saying it’s the greatest situation, but it could be worse, a lot worse. We could be paying even more for a guy like Snaq, at 20 mil, only to get him into games 40-60 times a year, and a production line of about 8ppg, 10.5rpg, 3TO (Diop and Damp avg less than 2 together) and 1.2 blocks.

by Toddy on Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be worse is said nicely ;-)

I’m not trying to be negative, and like I said I’m happy about the fact ‘Gana is back just so there is some competition for the center position. I also know that Cuban doesn’t care about the luxury tax, but still it limits your flexibility if you are constantly so far over the cap without getting great value for it. For the MLE, we e.g. wouldn’t even had to look further than NJ to ask a better guy if he wanted to come to us: Nenad Krstic, who is now back in Europe. Don’t laugh, his career averages are way better than Diop’s and he is a reliable FT shooter. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/nenad_krstic/

What I really don’t like about this off-season is that the signings of Diop and George are so un-creative, like they didn’t even try hard to land a surprise that could really bring us back to the finals.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 11, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Kristic

His numbers (to me) are a little deceiving (because he had Kidd), and actually give me more hope for a guy like Diop to become a little more balanced.

Defensively, his numbers and performances were never there to Diops. Diop averaged less mpg, and still managed to be about the same on the glass and much better with the blocks.

Offensively they are not even close… Kristic is in a league of his own to Diop hands down. But diving into this a little more, notice that his numbers last year, in which he was injured for most of that season and the season before with his knees… again (which brings me back to a health and reliability issue that I mentioned above.), were not even close to that of what they were before. Granted he didnt play for an extended period of time, but he was clearly not the same guy. I think that having Kidd playing at a higher level along side of him had much to do with his offensive performance, and this is where Kidd can perhaps help Diop out defensively. (fingers crossed)

I agree it would have been nice to have gotten him back in the Kidd deal, or to have never even sent Diop to NJ at all. But I’m not too upset about it. I almost rather them over pay to get Diop back now, than to have gotten Kristic back then and be content on sticking with him today, not knowing how he will be health wise, and have him be a liability on defense. I see a little more upside in Kidd and Diop working out together offensively, at the cost of us overpaying for him, than to have gotten Kristic back with a bad knee.

I agree with you also about the lack of creativeness in improving the team that was put into this off-season by the FO. To say it has been disappointing would be an understatement compared to years past. For someone like Mark who has traditionally swung for the fences with this team, he definitely looks to be striking out by just looking in hopes that the ball will get over the fence by itself. Still, he’s not dumb, and for what its worth, I do trust him to do the right thing this year in doing what he can to get this team where we all as fans want it to be.

by Toddy on Sep 11, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still see upside

in the SG position. With this team, we would have to give away Howard and then some to get a true impact SG. I see the upside potential – a highly overrated word, sure, but at least we have SOMETHING – in Gerald Green, Reyshawn Terry, Antoine Wright and at some point maybe Shan Foster and Ronny Seibutis. All good athletes, all young, all can shoot and all can get to the basket.

With Stack, we have a larger body that can shoot and drive the lane and is not a bad defender that we can start or bring off the bench as a stop-gap, who can act as a veteran teacher to those younger guys. With Terry, we have the undersized defensive liability but incredible offensive production on any given night that, when paired with Kidd, can actually minimize his defensive liabilities by keeping in front of the quicker, younger point guards in the league that would give Kidd problems, allowing Kidd to guard a shooting guard, which he seems pretty good at doing. Stack is our enforcer, Terry brings the fun and energy off the bench.

Once again, as I’ve said time and time again, it’s on Josh Howard’s shoulders to allow this team to be as good as it can be, but that’s not looking so good right now…

"So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know... "

by Walter Sobchak on Sep 18, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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