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Erick Blasco from bleacherreport.com ranks the following...

Top PF's Dirk ranks... 10th behind Tim, Garnett, Brand, West, STAT, Bosh, Gasol, Boozer and Artest... wait... what?

10) Dirk Nowitzki—Dallas Mavericks

Slightly tougher now than a couple of years ago (but only at home), and a much more willing rebounder, Nowitzki is still, essentially, an oversized jump shooter.

Defenders who can get up in Dirk’s grill and move their feet neutralize Dirk’s ability to pull and shoot going left, and only the weakest of post defenders have difficulty pushing Dirk around near the shadow of the basket. Combined with the inability to rouse his troops when all the chips are on the table, and a complete lack of defense, Dirk barely cracks the Top Ten.

Wow.  Just unbelievablyfreakingwow. 

On to the top Euros now.  He has Yao, Gasol, Manu all ahead of Dirk. 

4. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks/Germany)

By all means, Dirk should really be number one on this list. However, despite being the best player in the history of the Dallas Mavericks, Dallas is one of the most inconsistent teams in the NBA.

Dallas has been a mainstay in the playoffs for the last eight years, and they have one Western Conference title and no rings to show for it. They usually end up with one of the best win totals in the league, and yet they are consistently sent out in the first round or the Western Finals.

Dirk is one of the best-shooting big men in NBA history. It is not surprising that he totals 100 blocks and 100 three-pointers in the same season, all while averaging 23 points and eight rebounds.

Dirk's high scoring average, along with other stats, tends to stay the same during the playoffs—yet somehow, he is virtually invisible. He also seems to lack confidence in his teammates.

Dirk was the first foreign-born player in the NBA to win the MVP award, in 2007. The seven-footer accepted the award after the 67-win Mavericks lost in the first round to the eighth-seeded Golden State Warriors.

I guess 7 seasons of 50+ wins and 8 seasons of playoffs would seem a bit inconsistent.... what a joke.

K, I'm holding back more thoughts and frustrations til later today when I've cooled down. 

My rankings after the break.  Feel free to re-rank as well in the comments.

 

Star-divide

Top PF's

  1. Tim
  2. Amare
  3. Dirk
  4. Sheed (Blasco has him as a C, but he starts at PF)
  5. Garnett
  6. West
  7. Bosh
  8. Brand
  9. Boozer
  10. Gasol

 

Top Euro's

  1. Dirk
  2. Manu
  3. Yao
  4. Parker
  5. Turk
  6. Gasol
  7. Okur
  8. Peja
  9. Barbosa
  10. Z

 

 

Poll
Is Dirk a top 3 PF in the league still?
Yes
228 votes
No
66 votes

294 votes | Poll has closed

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If you put

Gasol ahead of Dirk, you automatically lose all credibility.

by rassoodocks on Sep 11, 2008 3:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Dam right.

But if you count all those playoff games he won in Memphis, I could see how you would put him ahead of Dirk.

The offensive machine rolls in Texas.

by srdmad on Sep 11, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh. An oversized jumpshooter? Complete lack of defense? Somebody hasn’t watched Dirk in four years.

www.upsideandmotor.blogspot.com

by Upside and Motor on Sep 11, 2008 7:43 PM CDT   0 recs

its truely

baffling… almost as if he watches a different NBA than the rest of us.

I understand being a homer and all, but this guy doesnt write for any specific team…

How does a guy whose been on 5 All NBA teams, an MVP, carried his team to the finals, and who hobbled around on one leg at the end of last season putting up even better numbers than before, get parked at the 10 spot in terms of PF’s…. and ARTEST is ahead of him? How many significant minutes has Artest played at that spot to even qualify himself to even be suggested in this category?

by Toddy on Sep 11, 2008 10:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So here I am,

… a Euro splittin’ hairs. But I feel I have to ask: What is it exactly that makes Yao and Manu qualify as Euros? Maybe we can include Kobe in that list as well?

by hansjoachim on Sep 12, 2008 5:10 AM CDT   0 recs

Manu at least played in Italy...

By the way, the list is titled “Top Ten Foreign National players”, not “Top Euros” or something, and was written by a different author, so I would give them that is correct.

We already had a little run-in with Blasco on Blazer’s Edge this week when he categorized Brandon Roy as a small forward and on the other hand left Ron Artest off the list (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/55046-erick-blascos-top-30-small-forwards), who is now resurfacing here as a power forward. While he actually might play that position in Houston sometimes instead of Scola when they want to throw out their top players (respectively defenders) all at once, it’s a little hard to swallow these re-categorizations.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 12, 2008 5:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dirk is not a top 3 pf

he is a softie, he is like the 7th best

you people are crazy thinking hes better than bosh, garnett

by KObeHater on Sep 12, 2008 1:24 PM CDT   0 recs

Bosh has done so much with the Raptors right?

Did Garnett every carry the Timberwolves to the finals?

The offensive machine rolls in Texas.

by srdmad on Sep 12, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh the irony

Just joined Mavs Moneyball (visiting from Blazersedge) and I had to accept the terms

“Don’t be mean”

And this is the first comment I read.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 12, 2008 5:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's a touchy subject

 we let some illogical things slide in moments of frustration

by Toddy on Sep 12, 2008 8:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh and I hope that Tamiur guy wasn't from here. I was kind of rude.

Taimur wrote of the article:

i don’t think you’ve ever watched the damn game. or looked at the standings. or read a stat sheet. in fact i don’t think you ever graduated from high school,

there’s a reason the mavs have won 50 straight games 8 years in a row, and there’s a reason Dirk’s NBA finals appearance was much better than Kobe’s this year and Lebron’s the year before.

Much better analysts than you put Nowitzki as the #1 or #2 power forward in the game right now (and duncan is a consensus #3). In fact, Dirk is widely regarded in the top 10 power forwards of all time, not just this era. Efficiency ratings, win shares, finals appearance, all-nba teams. The top efficiency differential for his position overall in this decade for both the playoffs and regular season.

You’re a joke and by extension so is this whole publication.

I replied:

Taimur…wow.

I know you’re from Dallas so it’s hard to be objective but THINK man, think!

Facts
The Mavs have won 50 straight games 8 years in a row.
Dirk had some really good playoff games.

More Facts
The Mavs have failed to win a title 8 years in a row.
Dirk has had some really really really really crappy playoff games.

More More More Facts
Tim Duncan has had some fairly good playoff games.
Tim Duncan rarely has had any crappy playoff games.
Tim Duncan has rings.
KG brought defense to a run and gun team and got a ring.

Proposition:
Show me an analyst that puts Dirk at the #1 or #2 spot in the hierarchy of power forwards in today’s game.
Show me an analyst that puts Duncan at #3.
Show me an analyst that puts Dirk in the top 10 power forwards of all time.
Show me an analyst that doesn’t put Duncan in the top 3-5 of all time.

You’re a joke and by extension so are all of your friends and family.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 12, 2008 6:05 PM CDT   0 recs

huh?
Show me an analyst that puts Dirk at the #1 or #2 spot in the hierarchy of power forwards in today’s game.

How about he was on the All-NBA 2nd team listed as a PF 4 months ago?

You re-rank these then, with some explanation if you care to support your theory…

by Toddy on Sep 12, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting....you do have a point

And really, I’m a loveable teddy bear…I really am not being too serious here. I think Dirk is cool, just not better than Tim Duncan or KG.

Here is the All NBA 1st team this year

PF- Kevin Garnett, Boston
SF – LeBron James, Cleveland
C – Dwight Howard,, Orlando
SG – Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers
PG – Chris Paul, New Orleans

All NBA Second Team
SF – Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
PF – Tim Duncan, San Antonio
C – Amaré Stoudemire, Phoenix
PG – Steve Nash, Phoenix
SG – Deron Williams, Utah

Sorry to flipflop here and swing to what I like about Dirk, but seriously. Dirk is cool because he can swing from C to PF to SF. The only thing is I don’t think he’s better at the power-forward position than Duncan or KG. You can argue whether or not he’s better overall than either of them (tough, especially since he has no rings and they both do….but you could do it), but as a PF, I think he’s firmly in 3rd. Maybe not overall, but as a PF, he’s at least 3rd.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 12, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, I'll try to say this lovingly :-)

But I don’t think that who makes the All-NBA team is the truest test of who’s better than who. If we look back just a few years we see an all NBA second team of

Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana
Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento
Ben Wallace, Detroit
Sam Cassell, Minnesota
Tracy McGrady, Orlando

and a all NBA third team of
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
Ron Artest, Indiana
Yao Ming, Houston
Michael Redd, Milwaukee
Baron Davis, New Orleans

I think it’s pretty fair to say that the 3rd team was, is, and always will be better than the 2nd team. Even if you use last year’s all nba teams, i think the 3rd is better than the second. So using this is pretty subjective.

So yeah, I love Dirk in the regular season, I just haven’t seen enough in the playoffs to fall for him head over heels.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 12, 2008 11:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and with all this said,

I agree with the title of your post. The rankings do blow. I was mostly riled up by Blasco’s ridiculousness rather than any personal vendettas against players/commentors. I mean, Dirk 10th is an outrage! I agree wholeheartedly.

And I was being silly with the you disgrace your family and friends….sorry if I sounded too serious.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 12, 2008 11:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

its all good

I actually see where KG falls in line there, and taking a step back from the homeristic mentality that we all sometimes get carried away with, could actually make a decent arguement if I were a Boston fan speaking to a Dallas fan on KG being higher than what I have him at.

Depending on who you ask (assuming one follows the NBA at any sort of reasonable level to evaluate a good player from a bad player, in which case Blasco does not), the top 5 players in almost any position are going to be arguably interchangeable, with a few exceptions of maybe Kobe, Tim, LBJ, Howard, etc. Dirk, Garnett, Tim, Amare, and Wallace are all probably right there in a tight race, and any one of those guys on any given night could out perform the other. Doesnt mean one is significantly better than the other… maybe Tim is in this case… but they all are outstanding PF’s in this league, and all will most likely be in the HOF.

by Toddy on Sep 13, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

do yourself a favor

and read my response at BR

and I stick by what I said. Pretty much every objective standard puts Dirk at #1 or #2 for best PF in the NBA. Roland Ratings, PER, efficiency differential, clutch performance. I mean, at the very least, it’s a top 3 with him, KG, and Duncan.

I mean, the guy is incredibly productive and his teams are very successful. What more can you ask for?

by TR41 on Sep 14, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeh, good stuff.

Except
Dirk on bad night > Wallace anytime
Garnett on bad night > Wallace anytime
Tim on bad night > Wallace anytime

Just sayin….

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 13, 2008 1:36 AM CDT   0 recs

What has Duncan done without David Robinson, Manu, and Parker,

of course he has always had good players on his team, so we don’t know if he could carry a team like Dirk did in 06. KG did what in Minnesota, Western Conference Finals, once? And Amare, wait until Nash leaves and we will see the real Amare without that run and gun offense Amare would not appear to be as good as he appears to be. I can’t picture Amare posting up anybody like Duncan can, maybe it’s because Amare doesn’t do it or because he can’t do it.

The offensive machine rolls in Texas.

by srdmad on Sep 14, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Have to agree on Garnett

but I think I still would be cautious to take Dirk over Amare, as it might be a toss up for some of the reasons you mentioned above. It will be interesting to see him without both Nash AND Snaq, as I probably would have said a year ago that he was not better than Dirk. But watching him play at the end of last year, the guy was an animal with not only is inside game, but his outside game as well. He has a different inside game than Duncan does, in the sense that he doesnt post people up and hit a hook, but he is explosive inside and can score on a lot of scrappy points down low. He is always a top of the league in dunks. Of course that’s arguably because of both Steve feeding him and him padding his stats at the end of games when Mr. Mustache would leave him in blowouts.

My thinking could change on this, should Nash break down even more so and it have a direct effect on his game… we could then get a better feel for where he is at. It’s easy to assume that he’s more dependent on Steve of course, and has yet to really carry a team by himself yet, so it will be interesting to see. Dirk can and has carried a team, but falls short in some of the athletic areas were Amare excels. That’s why for now I say its a toss up.

by Toddy on Sep 14, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dirk vs. KG vs. Duncan...

I’m not even going to address Dirk and Duncan… It’s not even remotely close.

OK, Garnett only made the WCF once in Minnesota… Without Nash and Finley, Dirk has made the Finals once and is responsible for two of the biggest choke jobs in NBA history…

Are we really giving Dirk the edge as a player because he advanced one round further in the playoffs with better surrounding casts his whole career? Is that even a real accomplishment considering Dirk got out-shined in the Finals and became the first team to lose after taking a 2-0 lead? Does Dirk going Hoodini against the Warriors after winning 67 games and claiming the league’s MVP award not count for something? Get real. Dirk Nowitzki has been every bit as incapable of getting over the hump for his career as Garnett was prior to this year…

Kevin Garnett is, was, and will always be a better all-around player than Dirk Nowitzki.

by N41D on Sep 15, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

First team to lose after 2-0 lead in finals,

that is dead wrong. I believe two other teams did this before we did. How is Dirk supposed to beat D-Wade and the refs? Dirk is good, but not that good. Since Golden State just focused on Dirk, because no one else was doing anything that series, so it was easy for the Warriors to double team him. “Dirk Nowitzki has been every bit as incapable of getting over the hump for his career as Garnett was prior to this year.” So if we trade for 2 all stars and we win the title, does that mean Dirk got over the hump? Yes, because he won a title, but is it really that hard to win, when you have 2 guys who are still all-star players. Garnett wasn’t even the best player in the finals or even in most of the Celtic’s playoff games.

The offensive machine rolls in Texas.

by srdmad on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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