Diop traded?
by bruce182 on Jan 16, 2009 4:51 PM CST
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I got a text from cbs11 saying that the Mavs are close to trading Diop to the Bobcats for Matt Carroll and Ryan Hollins. I haven't seen anything else on any other sites, as it's probably just developing. Here are the player profile's from nba.com.
Matt Carroll
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/matt_carroll/index.html
Ryan Hollins
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ryan_hollins/index.html
Desagana Diop
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desagana_diop/index.html
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ill text the sports producer at cbs...
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
sports producer at cbs
confirms trade is true
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
The Ticket
Just chimed in with the same report
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3839086
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
ha
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 16, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Marc Stein has it too
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3839086
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
carroll
is signed through 2012/2013…
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
but at a much better price
than diop… obviously
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
Carroll
He’s cheaper, and his contract goes down in price ever year, which is really weird for an NBA contract.
Obvious salary dump, good move to unload such a terrible contract.
Paxson loves them
Hinirch, Nocioni, and Ben Wallace all have decreasing contracts.
e.g. http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/bulls.jsp
It’s clearly helpful for the team since you spend your cap money when you have it anyway, and down the road the player is easier to trade. For the player, it’s definitely a better deal than an increasing deal for the same total amount. However, if the player is signing a max deal (or a full MLE), the contract can’t be structured this way. I’m not really sure why more contracts aren’t done this way. Any ideas?
by year2000ready on Jan 16, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome
and backwards
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
How much longer will Donnie Jr be with the Mavs?
Gone at season’s end…
Eventually
He has to do something? Right? Because he has done absolutely nothing.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Well
at least Carroll can shoot a three…he’s a destitute man’s Mike Miller.
Would’ve preferred Felton though.
for this team, we needed the shooter
for the future, Felton would be nice.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 16, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to agree
but it’s so hard for me to give up…I like this team even more as an “outside shot to make the playoffs” underdog, sadly, as far as my natural instincts go.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 16, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Messed up?
Howard would have been involved for Felton.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Oh, so you just expected Felton for free?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
The deal didn't involve Howard
it involved Diop and possibly Stack.
So you think...
All bodies healthy, plus Stack equals plus Felton?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Three-way deal
Raymond Felton, Nazr Mohammed and Sean May from Charlotte to Dallas, landed Earl Watson and Dallas’ DeSagana Diop with the Bobcats and shipped Jerry Stackhouse to the Thunder along with a future second-round pick.
From the “Raymond Felton a Mav?” thread. The supposed deal.
That's a rumor.
It doesn’t add up to me.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
A rumor that was most likely going to happen if
D. J. didn’t get hurt.
I have witnessed time and time again.
Maybe
Just not exactly as rumored.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Best case scenario with this trade
Carroll COULD end up being our version of Kyle Korver, which would be nice. As for Hollins…I don’t know anything about the guy.
Man ...
When I saw that “Bobcats add to froncourt, get Diop from Mavs” at espn I thought we had get Felton in some sort of trade. But then I found out that we traded for Carrol and Hollins. Obviously it may be a good move for the money, but waiting all that much for a trade and find that we got a shooter that can’t shoot, it’s pretty depressive. For god, this guy is at 26% this year. Unless he regain his old form, that will be more of the same. We already have a lot of shooters that can’t shoot. I really, really hope this is only the start and that they will be packed somewhere in other deal. But if this thing is what they will have to show us after that dismal season … I’m done with it. The bobcats were the only team dumb enough to get Diop’s contract and we couldn’t get a little more? Just a question, but wouldn’t it be better to get Adam Morrison? I know he sucks, but Carrol is not that far behind, and Adam’s contract was better because he finishes sooner. I’m just pissed, I hoped for felton for so much time. But I still have faith that we can trade something like Howard + Stack and Williams for Wallace and Felton. Let’s see.
Playing with Kidd
should get Carroll better looks. he hit 50% of his threes in 18 games as a starter last year.
Don’t forget we still have Stackhouse to trade, and if we get desperate or swept off our feet, Bass – and if somebody gets desperate and we’re clearly out of it, Kidd.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
Kidd
Hard to find a matchup with Kidd. To find roughly 20 million in contracts that we would actually take on will be tough. Cleveland has 20 million worth of expiring contracts in Snow and Wally.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
muhahahaha
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
Hmm
if Hollins could finish a little more than Sagana did and shoot free-throws a little better, that might make up for the fact that he doesn’t appear as good a shotblocker as Diop.
I guess talking of issues this small shouldn’t matter too much.
I hope this isn't the only trade we do.
We traded a bad contract for a player that doesn’t do much, who has a long contract. Though that contract is much better than Diop’s, we got another player that shoots jumpers. I like the trade, because we got rid of Diop’s contract, not because of the players we got.
I have witnessed time and time again.
Um...I don't know what to say
At least it’s not for Juwan Howard! And we got Diop off the books, so that’s a good deal, right?
Not a huge deal, but at least the Mavs would get rid of Diop's awful deal - that they just signed him too ;-)
Carroll is overpaid as well, but at once could hit the outside shot. Although his PER is atrocious this season.
Too many
We need more athletic finisher types and a good big man and perhaps a good backup point guard.
I would consider Hollins an upgrade over the current version of Diop
Albeit not in the “Chris Kaman/Marcus Camby” category of course. Better FG and FT percentages. But he doesn’t rebound a lot and is a bit light for a 7 foot center at 230 pounds.
Does he get a lot of playing time?
I know May is benched right now due to fitness issues, so I’m not sure if Hollins gets minutes.
I'm not sure how I feel about this trade
Diop’s big money deal is gone, but this doesn’t exactly make us better.
I think it does, even if nothing else is coming
As much as Dallas once liked ‘Gana, he is one of the most overpriced centers at his current contract. Heck, Joel Przybilla makes just a million more and is in another league. Hollins is two years younger, much cheaper and has Diop’s numbers except in rebounds. Carroll is overpriced and the Bobcats needed to get rid of him since he wouldn’t lead them anywhere, but he isn’t a bad throw in as an additional role player. Some other team might like him later in a deal. I doubt he should start, and I haven’t seen him play good defense. I would consider him more like a Kyle Korver/Jason Kapono/James Jones at best, wing player who can make the outside shot (which is off this year so far).
Hopefully we trade Dampier for another SG
Maybe throw in Bass too
then we can just play all 6 of our Guards in a cycle with Kidd and Dirk
that’s the plan!
Brilliant plan
that would completely outplay any team in the league!
Whoops
I guess I forgot the /sarcasm tag.
Plus we already found out that it didn’t work five years ago, when Dirk was more athletic and we had even more offensive talent.
No, that was obvious sarcasm.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
The bright side in me wants to think
that maybe this trade will get us going the way Kyle Korver did for Utah last year, but I highly doubt that’l happen.
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
I agree in your highly doubtiness.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Wow,
50 comments on a trade that involved a backup center, a 3 point shooter, and a guy I never heard of 2 days ago.
I have witnessed time and time again.
That's because they have a future.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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