destroy portland
(got this from bright side of the sun)... lets get on it nba!
Until now, Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard had a secret it appears most of the NBA hadn’t taken the time to discover for itself: Darius Miles is on the brink of blowing up the Blazers’ salary-cap space.
Most of the NBA believed Miles still was eight regular-season games away from devastating the Blazers’ salary cap, but Yahoo! Sports learned on Wednesday that Miles is just two games away.
Teams had been under the impression that the league’s collective bargaining agreement demanded that Miles play 10 regular-season or postseason games for the $18 million – which is split evenly between this and next season – to return to the Blazers’ payroll.
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Apparently, no team had called the league for clarification on the rule that states the season is constituted by the “first day of training camp and ending immediately after the last game of the NBA Finals.”
The league office confirmed to Yahoo! Sports that the six preseason games that Miles played for the Boston Celtics counts toward the 10. Before the Memphis Grizzlies waived him on Tuesday night to avoid guaranteeing his contract for the rest of the season, Miles played two regular-season games that pushed him to eight total.
Any team in the NBA simply can sign Miles to a 10-day contract, play him twice and punch out one of the summer’s top free-agent destinations. The Blazers are a prime destination for free agents, and the cap space also made them a fierce competitor for sign-and-trade deals. If Miles returns to the salary cap, he also will push Portland into the luxury tax. That means every team under the tax would benefit with about $250,000 of revenue sharing from Portland.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At7dt3s2LQjCQK6Vik7wvKe8vLYF?slug=aw-milesblazers010709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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ha
that seems like something cuban would do.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 8, 2009 11:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please don't :)
Well, and the Blazers are playing hardball now, too. This is a pretty open threat if there ever was one:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/01/09/Blazers.Miles/index.html
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 4:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's ludicrous
They wouldn’t have a case at all. The team who signed him could easily say they needed depth, blah blah blah.
That just shows how scared they are of it actually happening.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 9, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just posted this on Blazers Edge
I’ve got news for everyone wringing their hands about this and perception and all that stuff. This is about whether the NBA is a joint venture or not, and millions of dollars.
People around here like to joke about SPAM (Spend Paul Allen’s Money) and I do it myself. I doubt Paul Allen enjoys those jokes as much as some other people do, though.
The NBA is a joint venture. Teams are not supposed to take actions which violate the intent of league rules for the purpose of taking money from a franchise for their own benefit. If you are completely independent, you can look for loopholes to mess over your competitors, but you don’t do that financially to your partners in a joint venture. You can get in big, big trouble.
There were media reports, you’ve all seen them, about NBA executives saying someone was going to screw Portland by playing Darius for a couple of games. To do that would be a violation of the joint venture agreements. As a couple people with legal background have cited in the sidebars, that would be acting in bad faith. The tort lawyers would have a field day.
Why? Guess what, fans, this probably isn’t really what you think it is about. As fans, we care about cap space this summer. As Dave has posted, we can probably do anything KP really wants to accomplish this summer even without the Miles space. KP planned for cap space this summer long before we knew there was going to be a Miles retirement.
This is about millions of dollars of luxury tax that have to be paid this year if Miles goes back on the Blazers’ cap number. About a team paying Darius for ten days to play in two games so they can collect an extra $300K or whatever it is at Paul Allen’s expense.
And Paul Allen is saying, “Not so fast, guys. I’m not really into payiing millions of dollars just so you can divide it among yourselves, and this is not the way a joint venture is supposed to work. And if you do this, I’m going to sue you so fast you won’t know what hit you.”
In one of the sidebar discussions, someone questioned the use of the term “perspective” instead of “prospective”, and said it was the wrong word. It is the right word, and tells the whole story here (do you think that Paul Allen can’t hire lawyers who will know the right word?)
“in perspective”
An object or person that is in perspective has the correct size and position in comparison with other things in the picture.
If a team plays Darius for two games for the purpose of screwing the Blazers, it will skew the “perspective economic opportunities” of the Blazers relative to the rest of the league, their partners in this joint venture.
This does not say, “Don’t sign and play Darius.” It says, “Don’t do what people have been saying in the media is going to be done, or you are going to pay.”
You want to know who David Stern is angry at? It isn’t the Blazers. It’s the stupid NBA execs who were talking about teams screwing the Blazers. I would bet money that David Stern saw that email and raised no substantive objection.
You think something stinks or smells bad? It isn’t the Blazers sending out an email. It’s teams setting out to rip off millions of dollars from the Blazers, their partners in a joint venture.
Note that this was NOT sent out when Darius was with Memphis. If the Griz had guaranteed his contract, no one would have suggested they were doing so only for the purpose of benefiting from luxury tax, and messing with “perspective economic opportunities”.
Timing is everything. The Griz just happened to sign Darius soon enough so they could clear his suspension (they were the ideal team in the league to do it, since they weren’t carrying 12 guys on their active roster), play him two games, and then cut him without having to guarantee his contract. Sorry, but that smacks of collusion with intent to defraud. Some one else would have picked him up, and the Griz could say, “Well, we didn’t do it,” and the other team could say, “We were just looking for a little help, it wasn’t us, we only played him a few games. Too bad, Paul, that’s the breaks. Pay up.”
Every single email between the Griz, Boston, and any team that signs Darius will be covered with a fine tooth comb, if it comes to a law suit. Emails that mention Portland, or cap space, or any mention of free agents and who might be attractive, and whether Portland would want them, all that stuff. Any little side comment about “too bad Portland will be a player, too” is going to suddenly look pretty bad. It would be a big, expensive lawsuit, looking for recovery of the luxury tax plus punitive damages.
SO, WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE?
It means Darius is extremely unlikely to get a 10 day contract this year. No one wants Paul Allen slapping them with a huge lawsuit. If Darius gets a contract, he will not play in two games and then be dropped. If you want Darius, you better grab him for the year, and play him in more than 3-4 games, or you had better first review every single email and communication. Is Darius going to help your team enough for ten days to make it worth that?
It means Darius may threaten a lawsuit. His position is weak. First, he’s not been able to make it with Boston (whose bench is very weak), Clippers, Memphis, and maybe other teams he’s tried out for. Memphis cut him when they weren’t even replacing him on their roster with someone else! That’s not L.A., that’s, um, the Griz. It’s going to be hard for him to prove they kept him from having a chance, and hard to prove that he would have made it and has been damaged.
Also, it will be hard to prove that the Blazers hindered him, because it only threatens teams who are “contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions.” If you sign Darius for the purpose of helping your team, this is an irrelevance to you. They are NOT trying to blacklist Darius, and any media outlet that suggests that could find itself in litigation if they aren’t careful. They are warning their joint venture partners against intentionally defrauding them.
Also, this was not issued in a vacuum, this was issued after some joint venture partners had said they were going to be defrauded. That also weakens any case Darius may try to bring.
Finally, it means one other thing for the future. If Darius is signed and plays a less than significant role for another team for the remainder of the season, it means that we win our appeal against him going back on the cap. The ground has already been laid for that appeal, because the intent of the CBA clause was not to stick teams who follow the advice of an independent, league appointed, doctor.
So why does this mean we win that appeal? Because the best way to avoid a nasty lawsuit, ugly headlines, disclosure of various unseemly emails, and all kinds of other things, is to make sure that Portland is protected from other teams who are ignoring doctors’ advice and jeopardizing Darius’ future health. If they want to play him, fine, but don’t penalize Portland for that. (And, oh, by the way, Mr. Stern just whispered in my ear that this also means Portland hasn’t been damaged, so that means no big, ugly lawsuit.)
That’s what this is all about. That’s why this is a good and strong move. If you want to rip off one of your joint venture partners by playing games with the luxury tax, expect a lawsuit. A big ugly one.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 9, 2009 6:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good points jscot. Basically the e-mail says "don't give him a bad faith contract to mess with another contract situation"
The Blazers couldn’t do anything against another franchisee (which the NBA is, a franchise licensor) giving Darius a guaranteed contract for his own merit, i.e. his services as a player. If that screws the Blazers cap position and luxury tax, too bad (they might still challenge this section of the CBA as has been discussed extensively). But giving him a ten day contract just for the purpose of screwing another franchisee and play him two minutes in two more games is a different story.
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 6:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post
It’s nice to read about a smart owner.
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They still wouldn't have a leg to stand on in that case
if the team kept him on the roster and played him on a regular basis the rest of the year — joint venture or not.
Picking him up for 2 games then dumping him, then they’d have a case.
But, if the team can prove they think he can help their team — there is zero case there.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 9, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’m not saying it would be a smart thing to do anyway because something like that could come back to hurt you later karma-wise.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 9, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
If they sign him to a longer contract and play him regularly, there is nothing the Blazers could do. He would be effectively proving the doctors wrong that he couldn’t play again. Yet so far no team was willing to take that risk on a player coming back from major injury even at his current bargain price (you can argue Boston made a legitimate try in pre-season). They also shouldn’t produce any e-mails and documents that say something to the effect of “let’s screw the Blazers” if it comes to litigation ;-)
Someone explained on our board pretty well that the damages could be immense, so any team better thinks twice if they are acting in good faith and really play him for his services as a player : http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/9/715182/darius-miles-situation-exp#11276988
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I agree with that.
I also agree with the SI article above that mentions Miles could sue the Blazers for trying to limit his right to work.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 9, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
that a team who signs him and plays him for the rest of the season has little concern here. It’s the two games and done scenario that some NBA exec was discussing in the media in the last couple of days that triggered this email.
I think Darius’ case is pretty slim, as I outlined above. He could always try, of course. But since he was playing for vet minimum, the damages he could get for half a season is pretty minimal, even if he could make the case he would have made a team.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 9, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What you need to understand...
is that the Blazers aren’t trying to keep Darius from playing ball. And they’re not really worried about being able to win a lawsuit. They’re sending a message to the rest of the league that if you mess with them just to mess with them, they’re not going to sit back and take it. I think Mark Cuban, or any other decent owner, would do the same thing.
If a team decides Darius Miles could legitimately help their team win games and contribute, no problem. Portland says nothing, and good luck with that.
But if a team really has no interest in DMiles but just wants the money they’d get from putting Portland over the salary cap and making them pay luxury tax, so they sign him, play him for two minutes in two games and then waive him, Portland has an issue with that. They’ll file a suit. And they don’t need to win the suit, they just need to make fighting the suit more expensive than the luxury tax “earnings” the team would get for putting Portland over the salary cap, and it’s a net negative for that team, whoever wins the suit. And that shouldn’t be hard at all.
also, signing Darius Miles will not “destroy Portland.” Here’s a great post at Blazer’s Edge about the effects it will have. Basically, it will reduce the cap space they have from $18 million to $9 million, but the Blazers aren’t really looking to sign anyone for more than $9 million anyway.
by LicketyBrindle on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
on espn.com today
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3821503&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
by zkmavz on Jan 9, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how Miles feels about all of this
Maybe he can go back to acting if his basketball career comes to an end…
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We already had that idea: Would be cheaper for Paul Allen to finance a sequel ;-)
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even with ScarJo?
Can he afford her? I actually haven’t seen the movie; I might’ve spotted it at the Wal-Mart bargain bin, though.
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we have 18 million to spend on this
That must be enough for some independent movie, right? I mean, Darius is no Denzel either.
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he as bad as Ray Allen in He Got Game?
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
18 million for an indie flick is a lot
He can do an 8 Mile style biopic. He had such potential; it’s really a sad situation.
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Q would need to be in it
They have acting experience together (I wonder if the Nike executive who had that idea that those should be their testimonials for a very expensive shoe is still working there): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lalC0ucPfaQ
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen that before
Darius and Q Duet to You
I can’t stop laughing
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, some critics say he can fake a healthy knee
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I literally laughed out loud at that
That’s horrible, haha
by Marie on Jan 9, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well i dont know about you guys
but i truly believe that darius miles is the answer to our SG dilemmas… yah yah i know he’s 6’9"… i like my SGs tall!
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
by zkmavz on Jan 9, 2009 3:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And not able to hit from outside. I see, I see.
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Cuban reacts - and the NBAPA
"It’s a lot of money," Mavericks owner Mark Cuban told ESPN.com on Friday, referring to millions in future salary-cap space that the Blazers could lose if Miles’ contract is restored to Portland’s payroll.
"For that much, I would be sending e-mails, too."
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
players union getting involved now
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3822392
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
by zkmavz on Jan 9, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
memphis resigned him again
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvxJ7Hc7OrfHqb.MCBTxfhq8vLYF?slug=aw-blazersthreat010809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
clearly they are ignoring blazer’s threats
by kkengvib on Jan 10, 2009 6:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha
go grizz
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
by zkmavz on Jan 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the Grizz
they victory cigar’d us with him!
by jonthefon on Jan 10, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
14 mins tonight
for darius… 1 more game
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
by zkmavz on Jan 13, 2009 11:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He got his ten games (4 regular, 6 pre-season)
Darius stat line against Utah 14 minutes, 5-8, no free throws, 4 offensive and 3 defensive rebounds, a block and a steal for good measure, 3 fouls.
Goodbye cap space (at least for now), it was nice knowing and having you.
And now the fans and pundits will come out and say "see, he can still play". Yes he can, and there was never a real doubt about that if he reduced his weight and worked on his rehab. Only his knee probably says he shouldn’t.
One more round of discussion after this, and then it won’t be such a big story anymore until Memphis waives him or the NBA decides on some potential appeal.
by Norsktroll on Jan 16, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs


















