How's about that Harris for Kidd trade now?
by Brown@TheBigandTheBrown on Dec 3, 2009 11:38 AM CST
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I had written this post yesterday afternoon, but when I tried to post it, the site went down. I'm not sure if that was someone else's fault, or if it was mine. I'll never do "Cat Fancy" again. So...I'm going to add my own revisions within the text based on last night's game.
I can remember almost 2 years ago when I saw the panicky move by the Mavericks of shipping what I figured what the future of the team for the 10 year older version of a point guard who wasn't happy in Dallas before hand. . I facepalmed like a champ that day.
That's right, I'm talking about the Jason Kidd for Devin Harris swap that everyone either lauded or felt their collective sphincters tighten about. More specifically, the Devin Harris + Trenton Hassell + Mo Ager + DeSagana Diop + Keith VanHorn's contract + first rounders in 2008 and 2010 + cash for Jason Kidd + Antoine Wright + Malik Allen.
Yup, I was one of the people who claimed that Donnie had lost it, Cuban still thought it was 2006 and it was going to be the straw that broke Avery's back. (1 for 3 ain't bad). Well, tonight the Mavs visit a winless New Jersey team and maybe I'll be reminded why I guest post for a blog instead of sit in meetings with Donnie, Cuban and Carlisle.
More after the jump (pronounced "yump"...it's a soft "j")
The Nets are 0-17 0-18 and firmly entrenched in the cellar of the NBA. They've fired the stern and demanding Lawrence Frank and replaced him with former Mav and awesomely named Kiki Vandeweghe. (Tangent Alert! I would bet you $10,000 that Big would misspell Kiki's whole name if you asked him to spell it. Seriously. We could set the over under on what letter he messes up on at 5 and I'd win with the under.) Harris? He's only started four games because of a groin injury.
The Mavs, however, are 13-5 14-5 and sit atop their division. They're well rested and healthy. Kidd has shown that he's not the upset and busted star that we thought he was and is actively channeling this team into a single machined unit. He's managed to bring along rookies like Barea, create shots for other players and do what he was asked and be a "floor coach". No team in NBA history has started a season 0-18. The Nets are the first team to go 0-18 to start the season. Does that mean that they're guaranteed to win this game? (Obviously not) Mavericks' fans might say yes because there's the Mavs can't beat ironic fate. (By the way, go read Wes's find/post below on the fragile psyche of Mavs's fandom) I say the Mavs win this one outright and large. (Note to self...go buy lottery ticket)
If you're getting you got bored, maybe you can enjoy enjoyed watching the Mavs of yesteryear on the Nets. Guys like Trenton Hassell, Eddie Najera (Mexican Jumping bean!) and Del Harris
So, very similar to what I had to do with JJ Barea, let me publicly apologize to Donnie Nelson . I was wrong. You were right. (Until I don't like a move you make, in which case, you're totally wrong and I reserve the right to retract my apology)
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downtime here, too.
Kidd was infact the upset star we thought he was, because of the way the Nets franchise was going down. Read and readmore. On the bright side, the Nets can enjoy this classic.
The Charles Barkley 2009/10 Ancestors Count: 2 Grandmothers , 0 Mother Alltime: Reg. 25-0 Playoffs 7-0
"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "
"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"
"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.
"I just fell on my face for no reason," Bryant deadpanned. "I'm a klutz."
"Fucking right i'm preachin' it!" Carlisle replied.
"Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it." Smith chuckled.
" Let the Golden Child do that, or one of the NBA Without Border kids do that, it's all fine and dandy." -- Wallace on Pierce dunking = taunting. Sheed also bought some words about flopping in the NBA (for the low price of just 30,000 $). "They've got to know that he's a [darn] flopper. That's all Turkododo do."
Mutombo, Ewing and Yao at the restaurant...
MUTOMBO: "The chicken is the bomb."
EWING: [Rubbing belly] "I gotta go work out tonight. I'm full. You got a treadmill for me?"
YAO: " Leave your car keys here and run home. I'll give you the keys tomorrow."
I still don't like the deal
The Mavs badly overpaid, partly because The Stack and The George screwed up the first two iterations of the deal. I said that back then, and still say that now. The draft picks weren’t worth much, but at least something. And got pretty wasted along with the 2 second rounders that Williams cost. Then they made their mistake even bigger by re-signing Diop to the full MLE. It was a nice idea. But paying all that money for a player that rarely had ever scored more than 10 points in a game, couldn’t shoot free throws, and wasn’t that awesome as a defender like say a Mutombo in his prime was mind boggling. At least they were able to swap him for Carroll, who doesn’t cost quite as much as long but still will sit on the bench for a long long time.
I have to say Kidd plays better than I would have expected, about keeping the level of athleticism he had and even developing something that resembles a jump shot. And while he has lost the lateral quickness to stay in front of any quick guard anymore, he’s still a physical player and rebounds and runs with the best of them.
In retrospect the right decision would have been to fire Avery first, and then make a decision on where the team stands with its personnel to see if a new game plan and a few not washed up role players could make a better use of the players that were there.
But the true impact of the deal won’t be felt until Kidd retires. Then Devin will still be 10 years younger, and play around all-star level. Because Dirk will likely retire around the same time, the true impact will be hard to judge. And Cuban won’t allow the team to suck for long and reload with new free agents, drafts, and deals. He hates nothing more than a 40-something win team. But there literally will be very little to build around, so it’s a complete reboot.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
P.S.: If Donnie Nelson had had his way, he would have drafted that Russian dude Podkolzin who wouldn’t stop growing over Devin Harris anyway. According to court documents and testimonies from the Don vs. Mark case. At least he got his wish and the Mavs traded for him for a future first round pick. That pick became Linas Kleiza (Lee, Ellis, Ilyasova, Turiaf, etc. would also have been available). Not exactly a star, but twice the player Podkolzin was. Donnie’s GM record is spotty at best with a lot of examples like that.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
But he had the immortal line “Because it’s Dallas!” when asked why top free agents would want to come to the Mavs. That alone borders on Leroy Jenkins-level. Genius.
The Charles Barkley 2009/10 Ancestors Count: 2 Grandmothers , 0 Mother Alltime: Reg. 25-0 Playoffs 7-0
"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "
"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"
"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.
"I just fell on my face for no reason," Bryant deadpanned. "I'm a klutz."
"Fucking right i'm preachin' it!" Carlisle replied.
"Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it." Smith chuckled.
" Let the Golden Child do that, or one of the NBA Without Border kids do that, it's all fine and dandy." -- Wallace on Pierce dunking = taunting. Sheed also bought some words about flopping in the NBA (for the low price of just 30,000 $). "They've got to know that he's a [darn] flopper. That's all Turkododo do."
Mutombo, Ewing and Yao at the restaurant...
MUTOMBO: "The chicken is the bomb."
EWING: [Rubbing belly] "I gotta go work out tonight. I'm full. You got a treadmill for me?"
YAO: " Leave your car keys here and run home. I'll give you the keys tomorrow."
by DOH on Dec 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Other people have said that. And you know what I think of such an opinion? You’re a moron. Kidd is a great player, but he’s not Devin Harris, yes I said that. Kidd is on the decline, Harris is on the uprise. It’s so annoying how everytime Kidd does something, the Mavs announcers are always on his balls (Ex: Everytime Kidd gets in position for a rebound, they go crazy, just count it)
You make this point after the Mavs beat the Nets? Because it was obviously all Jason Kidd leading us and Harris failing to lead the Nets, so they’re 0-18. No, that Nets roster has nothing, it’s awful. Harris and Lopez are the only things looking good, but they’re not superstars yet.
Harris will be great for many years to come, while Kidd eh, some nights he can shoot, other nights he just passes the ball. Some nights he’s effective, and others he’s not. He can play great, but Harris brings more to a team. He’s faster, more dangerous, and only getting better at a young age. We would be a MUCH more dangerous team with Harris instead of Kidd. Probably would of added a vet PG as well if we had Harris.
It's all subjective.
Keeping Harris would be an entire chaos butterfly. Maybe Avery still gets fired, maybe the team, after Harris gets back, goes to the WCF and Avery stays.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Exactly
I have to agree with you. The Nets are an absolutely nothing team with an embarrassing lack of depth. The mavs simply underestimated Devin’s improvement. I would almost tolerate this trade if we didn’t give up the 2 picks. The simple fact remains that the addition of Kidd means absolutely nothing if we don’t win a championship. Kidd’s window on that opportunity is closing fast while Devin is just stepping into the prime of his career.
Don’t take this to mean that I don’t appreciate Kidd’s hard work and contributions to this team, but to suggest that this trade is anything other than the complete disaster that the rest of the country knows it to be is just drinking the green and blue kool-aid.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Dec 4, 2009 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
who would you like to be with the mavs..
..right now? Harris or Kidd? With the way the team is built now. Ignore all other aspects of the trade…would you like to have Kidd on this year’s team or Harris?
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