John Hollinger, The Suns, and Random Stats
I'm still on a high from last night's game. I've convinced myself it was the best game of the season, in terms of quality of play, importance, entertainment, atmosphere (Blazers fans were great) etc... It had it all. Of course, Dallas has a chance to top it on Sunday afternoon.
But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself. According to John Hollinger, Phoenix is poised to make a playoff push.
Clearly, the Suns would have to win the rematch in Dallas on April 5 -- which could cut the margin to a still-daunting four games. But if they do that, they project to go 11-6 in the other 17 games, while the Mavs' projected record is 8-9. That makes up three of the four games; even a one-game deviation from this projection would put Phoenix in the playoffs,
Now before you start sending him hate mail, Hollinger's current projections give Phoenix a 26.4% of making the postseason. The Mavs, just slightly better, at 86.3%
Phoenix certainly has the easier remaining schedule, but you would have to be crazy to predict them to make the postseason now, something which Hollinger didn't do. I think Mavs fans are still ready to jump all over Hollinger anytime he overlooks the Mavs becase of the 06/07 season when Dallas was chasing 72 wins but were never atop his formulaic power rankings. To be fair to him, Dallas got knocked out in the first round that year (sorry for bringing that up) and his number one team, the Spurs, won it all.
Speaking of Phoenix, they just lost to the Cavs. They are now six games back with 17 games remaining. Lets say Dallas really starts to stink it up and goes 6-11 to finish the season. Phoenix would still have to go 13-4 the rest of the way. They are 9-11 in their last twenty...
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Jason Richardson was blocked attempting a 360 dunk in the fourth quarter of a must win game in which his team was losing. Your 08/09 Phoenix Suns...
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If Dallas had beaten OKC without Durant and Green they would have won eight of their last nine. As it is, 7 of 9 is nice, but man that OKC debacle really uglies it up.
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Fisher had a ton of good notes on the Portland game. I especially liked this.
The night before in Phoenix, the Mavs were sent to the line in the final minutes to prove their mettle. ... and hit eight of eight. Same situation here, with Brandon Bass and Jason Terry the guys Portland was forced to foul.
Bass is an 88-percent free-thrower. He made both of his.
Jet is an 88.9-percent free-thrower. He made one of two.
Comforting.
Indeed.
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Some random stats based on stuff from the Portland box score.
+ Dallas is 20-5 when Jason Terry and Dirk Nowitzki both score 20 or more.
+ Dallas is 5-2 when Erick Dampier scores 10 or more.
+ Erick Dampier averages 13.76 reb per 48 when he scores in single digits and 19.39 when scores in double digits.
+ Dallas is 5-2 when Kidd has ten rebounds and 19-5 when he has ten assists. 2-1 when he does both.
+ Dallas is 25-11 when they attempt less than 20 3P's and 15-14 when they attempt more than 20. (yeah, I know that's a little skewed for jacking up three's when they're down big)
+ Dallas is 20-4 when Brandon Bass scores in double digits.
+ Dallas is 9-9 When The Devean George plays less than 12 minutes and 18-7 when he plays more. They are 13-9 when he doesn't play.
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Devean George will miss the Golden State game.
George said he felt his knee twist awkwardly when he was driving to the basket and was fouled by Blazers guard Steve Blake. After the game, George had virtually no range of motion in his leg.
JJ Barea is good to go after falling on his bothersome left shoulder. He will probably start again.
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hollinger is still inexcusable
Hollinger’s whole gig is based on "science’’ and "stats.’’ But when it comes down to nut-cutting time, guess what he’s relying on? "Coin flips’’ and "subjectivity’’ and "a shot.’’
And you what is likely really driving John’s opinions today? He is avoiding having to back down from his supposedly non-subjective conclusions back in January by wishing and hoping and praying that somehow "coin flips’’ will keep him from having to back down.
Read the whole article, though. He makes a very good case for why Hollinger is just way off base with his articles and chats. His numbers say one thing and he chooses to focus on them in a rather stupid way.
Plus, I still dont’ see what teams the Suns were supposed to beat to get to 11-6. Go count the teams – there aren’t 11 out there.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Hollinger is a joke.
06-07 only worked out in his favor because the Mavs drew the one opponent they couldn’t beat in the regular season. The rest of the league breathed a huge sigh of relief when Dallas went down. I don’t care what Hollinger’s numbers say, San Antonio wasn’t going to win a head-to-head playoff with Dallas handily.
I think one of his knocks against Dallas that year was that we won a bunch of close games, which he attributed to luck: a statistical fluke that we’d win that many of them. It is absolutely asinine to shrug off performance in close games as “luck.”
Remember the days with Finley and Nash? It felt like we lost a lot of heartbreakers, but that’s because we just weren’t good at executing down the stretch. The game changes when you’re locked in the half-court for 5 straight possessions. The importance of rebounding is amplified, defensive rotations, offensive and defensive gameplanning… We would expect certain teams (the Suns, the Warriors) to be a little worse at the end of games because they are taken out of the run-and-gun pace they’ want to play at. The 06-07 team was simply good in the half court set. They rebounded well, they adjusted to a variety of paces seamlessly, and they had an iso-based offense designed to thrive in the half court. The fact that Golden State was very good at destroying our iso offense (and Avery was very bad at adjusting) doesn’t in any way justify Hollinger’s rankings.
/endrant
by MeanMr.Mustard on Mar 13, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, in that article
he also says that it’s a coin flip for who finishes 3-8 (more accurately, 3-7, because he doesn’t see Dallas moving up and Denver being the team fending off Phoenix’s inexplicable surge).
But really? A surging Utah that finally has a healthy Boozer and AK-47 doesn’t have a slightly better chance than a free-falling Denver, or Houston minus T-Mac, or a young Portland squad of making it to the 3 seed?
What a jackass.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Mar 13, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Mavs will have the tiebreaker
I think as well — I really don’t see how the anyone could say they have a realistic shot of passing the Mavs.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Oh I forgot we play them once more
we are 2-1 so far so it would go to the 2nd tiebreaker which is I think conference record — and that could be a tossup at the end of the season.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 13, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Now it’s just a matter of how 2-8 will be seeded.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
This GS game
scares the shit out of me. Classic trap game.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
How could GS ever be a trap game for the Mavericks?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
It shouldn't but GS has this guy

"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
I mean
A trap game is a game where you assume a win, right?… we should never assume a win against GS.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Oh, I got ya
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
That's a creepy looking photo
'Cause I'm a high plains drifter, the best that you can get
A strapped shoplifter, a pirate on cassette
I always heard he was a beer guy
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Mar 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
it's March...
the month of the mighty mustache. I am late to the party this year, but it’s coming in nicely…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
that jrich 360 attempt
was the highlight of the season for me
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
Lebron fouled the shit out of him
Still awesome, though.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
i like how lebron called it all ball in the post game interview
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
what'd he say?
I’ve got to YouTube this…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Mar 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
From the top view
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Brandon Bass is REALLY good
not All Star good, but the guy has an impact on this team. the 20-4 record when he scores double digits may be an incomplete analysis, but what I see are stats even bigger than that: 88% from the free throw line
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
Hollinger at it again
calls Brook Lopez his ROY candidate over Westbrook, Rose, and Mayo, and says Marc Gasol is the best rookie on his team
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090313
He's got a fair point...
…if you only play it by win shares.
But come on, as if they’re going to change the “putting up great numbers on mediocre teams” thing now.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
RIP PHX
Suns have no chance after losing last night to Cleveland. It’s the story of their season, dysfunction and disappointment.
It’s sad to see the West’s perennial elite teams, Phoenix and Dallas drop off the way they have this year. Even worse to see the Spurs still competing at the level they have been.
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