When tempers and such start impacting the fan experience both in Dallas and Denver, and it requires special security, thats not what I want for Mavs or Nuggets fans. No one takes more abuse and gets more threats on the road than I do. So I know exactly how it feels. I’ve also had my family and friends spit on at games in this series. So I know how unpleasant that is as well. It’s a dirty secret that all arenas need to do a better job of protection for visiting team fans, particularly during the playoffs.
So at this point I would like to apologize to you and your mom KMart for my comment. I should have not said anything and I was wrong. Hopefully you will accept the apology and we can move on.
When the series comes back to Dallas, your family, and the family of other Nuggets players are welcome to stay in my suite, with my family. Its amazing how tempers mellow when real people talk to each other and realize that its still just a game.
Cuban's apology to Kenyon Martin's mom. Notice the bolded comment.
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Well it sure would be nice if we did come back to Dallas...
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I am a regular poster over on PoundingTheRock and therefore a Spurs fan and even as a Maverick-hater I still would LOVE to see you guys take out the Thuggetz.
Personally, I think Cuban should have apologized if and only if Dallas wins the series. Saying “I’m Sorry” right now makes it seem like there are limits to what the Mavericks would do as a franchise in order to win this series and honestly, that is unacceptable when your team is down 3-1 in a best-of-seven series. This is playoff basketball and the stakes are high, if you need to make fun of K-Mart’s mother to get in his head then do it, and (maybe) ask for forgiveness later. The simple fact of the matter is it doesn’t matter who takes a dig at who, you’re allowed to say whatever you want since words have never directly harmed anyone…also just because someone is related to a player doesn’t make him or her immune to the abuse that fans would regularly hurl at other fans.
by turnitin.com on May 12, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
thats a bold statement
rock me heyyyyy ohhhhhh
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
are you still whining about this?
Cuban does everything through his blog… it would probably be considered rude if he didnt e-mail or make a blog post… that is how he rolls… boo hoo
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
That's how he rolls..
And it tells me all how I need to know about him…
If this dude started in on your mother, and apologized through a blog, you’d be OK with it?
my mom passed away of cancer 3 months ago
thanks for bringing it up
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
Sorry to hear it...
But it doesn’t change the point…
If your mother were alive and Cuban confronted her, made comments about you being a thug, and essentially implied she did a poor job of raising you, would you be OK with an internet apology?
by N41D on May 12, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
liar
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
yah i was lying
sorry
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
that's how he communicates. who cares how he apologizes...
I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.
Yeah Kenyon looked like he was ready to have a calm, cool chat about their issues last night
Cuban is such a jackass for avoiding a confrontation that could’ve gotten them both in more trouble than the whole thing was worth. How pathetic.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Kenyon was upset about what was going on around his mother last night...
And he has every right to be…
Even if you don’t want to do it face-to-face, for concerns that Kenyon might snap on you (which I find incredibly ridiculous anyways), make a phone call… Don’t be a coward and hide behind your computer screen…
If you’re tough enough to yell at somebody’s mother that their child is a thug and a punk, man up…
by N41D on May 12, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i just talked to someone sitting behind the nuggets bench last night
supposedly kenyons mom was dipping her hands in her exrta large coke and then throwing coke on the mavs fans around her… coca cola that is
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
If that's the case...
She got what she had coming to her… I find it hard to believe because it hasn’t been reported one time, and this thing has been beaten to death…
But even still, it doesn’t change the fact an internet apology comes off a little insincere and cowardly…
You saw Martin last night
you really expect Cuban to just walk over to the guy and start apologizing when he’s screaming like that? You think that would’ve gone well?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
if the league can fine you for what you say on a blog
why can’t you use that for apologies?
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by Walter Sobchak on May 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad he apologized
Dallas fans should be ashamed of themselves. That was trashy and classless how they acted last night.
That said, the Mavericks played great ball, a lot of heart. Dirk was awesome.
As a Nuggets fan I’m excited to see our two teams duke it out again on Wednesday. Even more excited that the classless Dallas fans won’t be included.
it takes a lot of class to come to a mavs blog and bash the fans. kudos. you put us in our place.
I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.
Do we deserve timeout?
Is Kenyon’s mom going to put us in timeout or send us to bed without dinner? Did we hurt her feelings? Cuban and his family have been spit on before AT YOUR ARENA. So I guess you think Denver fans are classless as well then right?
Beware D-Ware
by WittenRocks on May 12, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
yah we are sooo ashameeed
no one in denver has ever thrown something or cursed at opposing teams fans… we are soooo ashamed…
now fuck off (look im an unclassy dallas fan)
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
I was at game 2 in Denver
and my friend and his girlfriend had ice thrown at them all game. Then I had to deal with some awesome guys shoving “Dirk Who” (that I eventually grabbed out of their hands and tore up) signs in my face in the mezzanine. I have been to a lot of hostile crowds (OU-LSU in NO for the National Title, OU/Tx) and that was by far the worst I have been a part of.
So calling the Mavs fans classes is extremely off base.
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Why fans do this is beyond me.
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alcohol. period.
I was sober at the game last night. Not that I’m usually drunk, but I usually have A beer. And there was some idiot Mavs fan behind me (yes I am a Mavs fan, too) that kept yelling the dumbest stuff out over and over. Women and children there (he had a younger son with him), and after a call, he yells out, “why don’t you just suck his dick too!?” and we all stare at the guy, and he immediately apologized. But kept ranting about stupid stuff the whole night. And then I realized, I don’t want to drink at a game ever again. And I don’t think fans should be allowed to.
Just my two cents.
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by Walter Sobchak on May 12, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Nuggets fans are pretty little angels. Every single one of them. Dallas is the only team that has a few idiot fans. Right.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
please don't categorize the actions of a few
for the whole city. there was loud cheering and loud booing (for Carmelo) – nothing out of the ordinary.
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by Walter Sobchak on May 12, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
and i wasnt even at the game
so i wonder who that could have been
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
I don't want to sound like a dick or nothing...
… but all of this could have been avoided if Kenyon Martin didn’t fill the front rows with his trashy ass family from Oak Cliff.
If I was a basketball player, the last people you’d see sitting front and center would be my dirtbaggin’ ass family from Pleasant Grove. I have an image to maintain, after all. But then again, I don’t have a big pair of clown lips tattooed on my neck either.
by Doctor_Apocalypse on May 12, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
hilarious
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
I haven’t been to any of the games this series, but I’ve seen both Kenyon’s family and entourage at games in the past, both when he was with the Nuggets and Nets.
His mom is about as classy as you’d expect someone who gave birth to Kenyon Martin to be.
Want to guess what her favorite word is?
I’ll give you a hint: If I, a white guy, yelled it at players, I would at the very least get dragged out by security, at the very worst get bum-rushed Ron Artest style.
I don’t want to bring down my home for the past 25 years (the Southeast side of the Metroplex), but there’s a place where we belong: in the nosebleeds, with tickets we won of the radio, getting into fist fights with drunken loudmouth Mexican dudes who thought it’d be funny to wear a Sacramento Kings jersey, even though we’re playing the Golden State Warriors.
by Doctor_Apocalypse on May 12, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
“Kenyon Martin is a violent thug.”
“YEA, WELL, I BET YOU WOULDN’T SAY THAT TO HIS FACE!!!!”
“No, no I wouldn’t. What part of Kenyon Martin is a violent thug didn’t you understand?”
by Doctor_Apocalypse on May 12, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
lol...
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by MeanMr.Mustard on May 12, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
great win.
I’m glad I didn’t regret going to the game. Amazing atmosphere, disregarding the actions of a few of our fans AND the Nuggets’ fans that were in attendance. Cuban doesn’t look so off base now for calling K-Mart a thug, does he?
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by Walter Sobchak on May 12, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
lol
awesome story… cuban is in kenyons head… pleasssse get this series back to dallas
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
Denver fan here
I don’t understand you guys. You guys call Denver players thugs, and you react by being thugs yourselves? Being classy would be the correct response; acting the way you are acting is just as embarrassing.
Anyways, be happy that you were able to pull one out. The late foul on KMart offsets the non-call in game 3: it looked like he got all ball, and they refused to show replays. Frankly the officiating has been terrible on both sides of the ball, so I won’t complain, but I don’t think Dallas should either.
Good luck in game 5. I really hope the game doesn’t get too chippy; we don’t want any of our players injured for the Western Conference Finals.
It's pathetic...
I’m disgusted by Cuban’s actions, and I’m nearly as disgusted by the reaction by people on this blog…
People really think this is OK just because it happens other places? People really think apologizing for something on a blog is OK?
Sorry, I don’t set my standards by what happens in other places or what other people do… “Oh, well, it happened in Denver, so it’s not a big deal” … No, it’s a big deal when a man worth millions of dollars, in a position of power, influence, and high expectations whines like a baby and acts like an idiot…
Were people throwing stuff at Kenyon’s mom Sunday? Were people pouring beer on her? No, she was made a target because of how highly publicized this all became…
nimag
you are a class act.. thanks for coming over and teaching all a lesson in class and humility… bitch
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
Nobody said this
"Oh, well, it happened in Denver, so it’s not a big deal"
You are completely misconstruing what was said.. We just said it’s ridiculous to go ballistic against Mavs fans when it happens everywhere.
No, it’s a big deal when a man worth millions of dollars, in a position of power, influence, and high expectations whines like a baby and acts like an idiot…
Again, your anger is combining 2 separate issues.
Were people throwing stuff at Kenyon’s mom Sunday? Were people pouring beer on her? No, she was made a target because of how highly publicized this all became…
Out of town fans are ALWAYS targets. Try going into an opposing arena — talk trash (are you going to tell me KMart’s family/crew just sat there and didn’t say a word back to the fans?) — and see if the other fans just shake your hand and move on.
You’re going a little crazy over something that happens quite often — which doesn’t make it OK. It just means you need to chill out a bit.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Owners running around behaving the way Cuban does...
Doesn’t happen often… And that’s been my point from the beginning…
I understand this kind of stuff happens in arenas everywhere… But Mark Cuban fueling the fire and jumping in the middle of all of it makes me sick…
Sorry, I expect more from grown men and adults in places where women and children are present… Going to sporting events and verbally abusing people or throwing things at them and all that jazz ain’t my cup of tea…
Apparently Kenyon’s mother and people around her were acting out and being over-the-top last night, so them getting what happened doesn’t bother me as much… But it still leads to the point of grown adults acting like children and starting some BS over a damn basketball game…
Well
Between Cuban and Howard on Saturday and K-mart’s mom, Melo’s fiancee, and some idiot Mavs fans, there wasn’t a shortage of embarrassing moments.
Which is, obviously, unfortunate.
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by Brandon Bibb on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's really funny
I don’t understand you guys. You guys call Denver players thugs, and you react by being thugs yourselves? Being classy would be the correct response; acting the way you are acting is just as embarrassing.
Denver fans never get riled up, defend their team, or do anything that might not be considered classy — right? I mean, completely innocent.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't a joke
I wasn’t saying all Denver fans are classy. I was saying that the proper response to unclassy behavior is definitely not to act in the same way.
OK
and I am saying Denver fans are no different than Mavs fans. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of Nugs fans getting out of control out there. I just don’t think anybody should be casting stones about other fan’s behavior when EVERY team has idiot fans.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Animosity and/or hatred towards players should never be taken out on the players' friends and family
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
and why is it a bad thing
that mark cuban told kenyon’s mom that he was a thug… seems to be the truth to me? it’s like if i went to jeffrey dahmers mom and told her that her son was a murdering bastard… and then N41D lectured me about class
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
It's entirely different...
Because Mark Cuban, as an owner of a professional sports team, needs to be above this crap… Getting into it with players on other teams isn’t his place… Yelling at a player’s mother about her child isn’t his place…
And frankly, aside from the fact K-Mart used the F word and actually saying it to Mark rather than Mark’s mother, is what Kenyon did any different than what Cuban did? So is Mark Cuban a thug? Does name calling and/or swearing make you a thug?
Frankly, it speaks volumes about the team he’s built that he feels the need to play Mr. Tough Guy…
Ha no
Does name calling and/or swearing make you a thug?
No, threatening to “fuck up” someone, including Cuban and other Mavs fans makes you a thug.
But, go ahead and call me a thug if name calling is all it takes because you are being a total douchebag about this and overreacting.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I say name calling makes you a thug?
I don’t believe I did…
And LMAO at coming at me with name calling…
OHNOES!!!
somebody called you a douchebag
I’m not Cuban’s biggest fan by any stretch. I respect and admire his dedication to making this team a winner, but his reaction on Saturday was nothing short of embarrassing.
That having been said, I don’t have a problem with the venue that he chooses to make his apology in. It’s out there for everyone to see, including Kenyon’s mom.
And it says a lot about somebody who HAS a problem with HOW he’s apologizing.
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by Brandon Bibb on May 12, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think...
If you’ve got the nerve to say something like that to somebody’s face, you better be willing to apologize to their face…
Yeah, with tempers flaring last night and with all the stuff coming out today about how everybody else was acting (Kenyon, his mother, and the people around them included), it changes my views on that some… It may not have been the time or place…
But still… Initially that didn’t come across as a sincere form of apology… It came across, to me anyways, as more something he felt he had to do because of all the hell he caught…
let's say
this is sort of a ploy by Cuban as some suggest to get the team riled up (ours to play harder, theirs to lose their cool). On top of that, let’s say Cuban’s fined $50,000 for what he did, but Carmelo is tossed from Game 5 (unlikely but this is my scenario, so I get to say what happens here). We win Game 5 in Denver, then come back to Dallas for Game 6, which would seem like a win, and then Game 7 is a “who the hell knows” type of a game. Let’s say that happens. Is the owner benefiting by selling more tickets to more games? Yes. As a business decision, that would make it a success. So if Cuban lit a fire involving K-Mart’s mom, and then benefits because of it, and the fans of the Mavs benefit because of it, and the players benefit because of it, why is this a bad thing? Because he’s being a dick? How many CEOs of companies do you know that AREN’T acting like a dick in their jobs?
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by Walter Sobchak on May 12, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I was answering your question
I didn’t say that’s what you said. You really struggle with reading.
Please don’t cry over being called a douchebag. Tell ya what, I will create a blog so I can apologize for calling you a douchebag. Feel better?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not gonna cry about name calling...
You wanna go that route, it’s your prerogative…
The hell do I care about some dude over the internet calling me a douche because I think adults calling eachother names and pouring drinks on eachother at a basketball game is pathetic?
Ha
No, you’re a douche because you are going way overboard with this — not because you didn’t like what happened.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So... I'm a douche for voicing my opinion...
Fine and dandy…
I knew it wouldn’t be popular opinion around here, so I didn’t figure I’d get a warm reception for not being happy about people acting like idiots and Mark Cuban fueling the fire…
No you just don't get it
you are a douche for the way you are voicing your opinion — not b/c of what your opinion is.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on May 12, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess Mark Cuban should ASK
the Nuggets fans on HOW to apologize. Apparently an apology is NOT good enough unless it’s done their way. HEY< HE APOLOGIZED. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE FORMAT IN WHICH HE DID SO, WHO GIVES A RATS ASS? YOU GOT YOUR APOLOGY SO SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY.
I'll agree that Cuban could've and should've offered more in the way of an apology
But K-Mart isn’t doing himself any favors. And correct me if I’m wrong, Cuban was actually insulting Kenyon when he made the off-hand comment to his mom, was he not?
I don’t think insinuating that K-Mart is a thug is remotely off the mark. See the links above.
If the NBA really wanted to clean up the game they’d penalize guys like K-Mart for giving the league a bad name, not call a horrendous amount of flagrants and throw around suspensions like candy. Is Cuban complicit in all this for instigating the situation? Yeah. But K-Mart’s still a massive douchebag.
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by MeanMr.Mustard on May 13, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
And again
I get that the safety of family comes first. The Mavs should’ve done a much better job of putting security around her, anticipating that there’d be some hot tempers. But let’s not pretend that this woman who raised Kenyon Martin is an angel. I’m not saying she brought it all upon herself. But she probably brought some of it on herself. There’s ways you behave as a human being and there’s ways you don’t. Her son does an awful lot of the latter.
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by MeanMr.Mustard on May 13, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
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