What Is Wrong With You People?
Practically every piece of commentary on the Mavs exit from the playoffs and their season comes to the feel-good conclusion that the Mavs were "beaten by a better team," "should be proud of themselves," or "had a great season." Such an attitude is an insult to a team that won 67 games two years ago and whose core went to the NBA Finals. We're proud of a team that gave up 124 points in a must win game to Denver? To hell with that, I'm disgusted with them.
At least I have some good company. Dirk said in his exit interview: "It's only a successful season if you win a title." Exactly. This is an unsuccessful team. Bottom line. What are we, Hawks fans, who are happy just to have made it past the first round?
I'd feel differently if this team's gaping hole wasn't fixable. It's defense, and the fact is that this team had a top ten defense in the league last year, and it's now in the land of mediocrity. Heck, our defense is closer to the Oklahoma City Thunder than it is to the Denver Nuggets. How could such a thing happen? We upgraded our defense at the 2 spot for a good chunk of the minutes this year. Was Diop and Devin Harris the linchpin of our defense?Yikes.
I'd be willing to pin this on personnel changes or injuries if I hadn't seen embarassing game after embarassing game of little effort on the defensive end. It's like Carlisle took all year to make sure his offense was prepped for the post-season (which he did), but--oops--he forgot about the defense.
So, no, I'm not willing to admit we lost to a better team. I'm not happy about getting past the first round, and I'm definitely not on the "Let's just get some new names on the roster, and we'll be fine" bandwagon. The defensive issues this team has are core to everyone, from top to bottom, and that will not be fixed by simply trading a Barea for an Artest. It will help, but it won't get you where you need to be on the defensive end. That takes commitment and a total buy-in from the entire team. And I haven't seen that all year.
That is the story of these playoffs: A team unwilling (not unable, unwilling) to play defense, and that is not worth celebrating in any form or fashion.
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I think Dirk nailed it
when he mentioned how unathletic this team is and how difficult it was for them to stay in front of players because of this weakness. Dampier and Dirk defending out in space are serious weaknesses easily exploited with quickness alone. Undersized Terry,JJB, and Kidd’s own quickness limitations are an awful lot to overcome with smoke and mirrors. Denver killed us with quickness…
by alphamav on May 15, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting tired of excuses
Against Golden State we lacked size, so we have Kidd and Wright at the 1 and 2. Now it’s that we’re not quick enough.
Let’s dispense with the excuses and simply admit the truth: This team doesn’t want to play defense. Can, but won’t.
by Jakedfw on May 15, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dirk doesn't give full interviews at the moment, but I found some tidbits on the net he gave to the German press
BILD: “Love drama and out of title race”
- Of course as a tabloid they reports a lot about his affair
- “I’m afraid that now everything breaks over me” (more towards his private life than basketball)
- “The title remains the goal. We need to get reinforcements.”
- Not sure if he will play for Germany in the offseason. “The advantage would be that I could train again with Holger Geschwindner in September”
Sueddeutsche
- Citing German coach Bauerman that he talked to Dirk
- Is “cautiously optimistic rather than pessimistic” that he will play, but the decision could be delayed until August
- Has invited Kaman and Dirk back
- Wants to put up a new team for the Eurobasket. Only those two and 4 other players from the Olympics would be back.
FAZ: “Nowitzki strong again, Dallas failed again”
- “I’m almost 31. For me that was another missed opportunity. Another year I didn’t reach my goals”
- Quoting the DMN: “They also won’t be good enough next year, unless substantial things change”
- Hinting that Cuban offered Dirk a lifetime contract (don’t think that’s possible under CBA rules, but 5 years would probably have the same effect)
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 15, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice tidbits
Though i’d like to mention that the BILD-guy asked Dirk if he’s afraid that now everything will break over him and Dirk answered “Maybe….i lived day-to-day the last week…”
Pressed about what he’s going to do about it now, Dirk said he’d inform himself and “dann schaun wir mal was passiert = we go from there.”
That means Down-time is now.
As for playing the EM, he’s clearly undecided (now)
Ask him again in 3 months. ;)
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"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "
"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"
"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.
by DOH on May 15, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As for the lack of defense..
That dropoff came with getting relieved from Avery.
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"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "
"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"
"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.
by DOH on May 15, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with us is that our standards have been lowered so that we don't shit a brick when our team has their usual swan song from the playoffs.
this team has some serious deficiencies, and among them is their defense, and lack of scorers, but even with those deficiencies, they were able to produce above expectations, and i can’t fault the team for being slower on defense because of their lack of athleticism, and a consistent shot blocker.
i’m not going to feel entitled to them producing anything anymore simply because that has worked out horribly for me in the past. don’t have any delusions about his team, jake. they’re old, and unathletic, and their lack of defense was a direct result of those two facts.
I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.
by buckets on May 15, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Athleticism
I actually think this team is more athletic than any team we’ve had over the past five years plus. Kidd is no Devin, but Wright is a big upgrade on the youth/athleticism scale than Stackhouse. Bass or Croshere? I could go on and on.
And defense is so much more than athleticism. Two years ago, the Mavs finished with the fifth best defense in the league with roughly the same players that Nellie had as a mid-tier defensive team. The difference was obviously Avery. I assumed Carlisle would be able to pick up where Avery left off on defense, but that is far from what happened.
by Jakedfw on May 15, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm an Aggie, and biased to some degree
but I’m taking a 180 on this one:
but Wright is a big upgrade on the youth/athleticism scale than Stackhouse.Not that dunks should be the key to measuring athleticism, but Wright just can’t seem to get to the rim and finish. Stack had some explosion left in him even in last year’s playoffs vs. the Hornets. And he still scored. Wright has a long way to go in the NBA to learn how to score closer to the rim. I saw it in college, but it seems like he’s taken a step back.
The starters are who you want to analyze in athleticism, and Kidd, Wright, Josh (hurt), Dirk and Damp is much less athletic than Devin, Stack/Terry, Josh (healthy), Dirk and Damp (all 3 years younger)
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 17, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that made you feel better.
That is the story of these playoffs: A team unwilling (not unable, unwilling) to play defense, and that is not worth celebrating in any form or fashion.
It made me feel better reading the article. I feel the same way.
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by texastfan on May 15, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is where you and I disagree Jake
I think that team really was unable of playing defense.
Feels weird to type in past tense…
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by Wes Cox on May 15, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We should do a point/counterpoint, Wes.
Is Dirk that much worse an athlete today than he was when the Mavs had the fifth best defense in the league? Is Devean George/Jerry Stackhouse a huge improvement over Antoine Wright? Is Bass worse than Croshere?
I just can’t see how this team is so much worse in terms of athletic or defensive ability than the one that had Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George combine for 40 or so minutes a game and had Croshere backing up Dirk.
by Jakedfw on May 16, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unable more than unwilling
kidd is 36.
dirk and dampier are slow (not to mention also in their 30s)
howard was playing on 2 bum ankles
sure coaching and attitude prob had something to do with it, but a little more talent couldnt hurt too no? carlisle had some great defensive teams before. im not sure im a fan of his work this year, but i do think he is a coach who caters his system around the talents/strenghts of his team. this team was a finesse jump shooting team.
it was slow, unathletic and didnt have many weapons on offense.
i still think we can win with dirk as the center piece, but a top three of dirk terry and howard isnt championship level at this point. jr smith, a similar talent to terry, was prob their fourth or fifth best player. terry was our second or third. he should be a good scorer off the bench, but not our secondary offensive option. howards great, i think hes matured a lot, but hes just not reliable enough to be a consistent third option. i really like our guys, but we need more talent.
by j-ace on May 15, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
when you have a gaping scoring hole at the 1, 2 and 5
for your starters, you’re going to have problems. If we get a starting post scorer and/or a starting 1 or 2 that can score 16+ ppg each, this team will be fine…as long as those 3 can all play adequate if not spectacular defense
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 17, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another unpopular opinion...
But it’s time to blow this thing up and start over… I love Dirk, but it’s just not working… You can only retool a roster so many times before you realize something just ain’t right…
This team is more than one piece away… Potentially trading away Howard+Dampier for a guy like Shaq, Bosh, whoever isn’t going to put this team over the top… They’re several pieces away from Nugget/Laker/Cavalier level in my opinion, and they just don’t have the assets to seriously alter this team on the trade market…
I just don’t see how you turn this roster into a championship contender before Dirk’s better days are behind him…
by N41D on May 15, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so you're suggesting trading Dirk?
or just everybody else?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 17, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About those trades
I don’t think the Mavs will trade away Howard for Shaq, and I doubt the raptors will trade Bosh (especially for only howard and dampier)
by loyal2therams on May 18, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Howard and Terry for Bosh and Parker?
Parker would first need to sign a deal, since he’s a free agent
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on May 19, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
havent really seen parker play
how good is he?
i dont know if cuban would like trading both howard and terry
by loyal2therams on May 19, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty good-looking deal
if you get the right guy in the draft.
If we re-sign Kidd, what, we look like: Kidd, Parker, SF filler (draftee maybe?), Dirk, Bosh and Wright, Singleton, Damp plus Bass and Barea off the bench.
Don’t think the Raptors would go for it.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 20, 2009 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant really do that can we?
no draft picks. kidd trade. ouch.
by j-ace on May 15, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tell me if im crazy:
sign birdman as a FA.
package damp and stacks contracts for an elite shooting guard.
if we have money left over, sign ariza (doubt it) or barring that a shooter or something like luther head.
that shoud be more than enough offense to be a 55 win team. and that trio of centers would be among the most energetic in the league. say carlislt dusts off the old pistons/pacers defensive playbook, and we can ride the offense of our top 3 guys and team defense.
the more i think about it, the reason we were bad defensively; could it be because we were so bad offensively? bear with me here. for most of the reg season we had dirk, and either terry or howard but not both for most of the season due to injuries. we had so few weapons, carlisle prob had to spend too much time in practice on the offesnive side of the ball.
looking at the best teams, theyr normally the ones who focus on D as a team, and rely on their offensive stars for their scoring. one more elite scorer, and as odd as it may sound, that may make us a better defensive team
by j-ace on May 15, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't imagine Denver lets Bird get away...
And I really wonder what kind of money he’s gonna command… Do you offer full-MLE money to a guy you really shouldn’t trust? Cuz I think that’s close to what it’s gonna take…
by N41D on May 15, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Birdman won't be as effective
when the league figures him out. He seems to concentrate on coming up from nowhere from the weak side to swat his shots, and teams looking at film might pick up on that like Dirk did and just fake or wait and draw the foul.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 16, 2009 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please no Chris Anderson
he’s a great unexpected punch, but not an answer to our STARTING center position
Dalembert, Kaman, Chandler…those are the centers I’d be interested in acquiring
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 17, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kaman would be good ...
He can score and defend and right now has much less value than last year because he was injured and played badly at the end of the season. That would be a great combo of Kaman with Hollins coming off the bench.
by hugommorais on May 18, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kaman has a 15& trade kicker
that would make him damp v3.0
The Charles Barkley Playoff Ancestors Count: 7 Grandmothers , 0 Mother
"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "
"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"
"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.
by DOH on May 19, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's an elite shooting guard you want?
Also, im not sure too many teams want stack. he is 35 and hasnt played a full season in 10 years. I think that he is declining quickly
by loyal2therams on May 18, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stacks contract is valuable
its 7 million, but can be bought out at 2 million which means cash strapped teams save 5 mil.
and not too sure, but a guy like tmac? i know hes a bum and hes lazy and injured etc. but hey, contract year!
failing that, kevin martin? dunno if hes just putting stats on a bad team but yeah. suggestions?
by j-ace on May 19, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like kevin martin
I think he’s a very good player even though he is on a bad team, just doesn’t get enough attention
by loyal2therams on May 19, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the kings would never trade him, unless you put Dirk in the conversation ... no way
by hugommorais on May 20, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
theyr bleeding money
martin makes like 18 mil a year.
damps expiring and stack can save em 5 mil
by j-ace on May 20, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually he makes around 9 mil a year ...
he signed a 5 year 55 mil contract in 2007 … Like i said he is the least of their worries … he is a 26 year SG, making just 9 mil a year, averaging 24/3.6/2.7 shooting 42% on 3s if they trade him, the kings fans would riot … don’t get me wrong, I would love to get him, but i’m not sure that even absorving Udrih and Kenny Thomas’s contracts would do it …
by hugommorais on May 20, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops yeah
what i meant to say was, because sac’s bleeding money, they’ll want to dump their bad contracts (kenny thomas, andres nocioni), and because of cuban, we can take their bad contracts and get kevin martin in the deal. sorry i didnt check my facts.
basicaly, they’re on the hook for nocioni 8 mil per for the next five years. the mavs step in and say, let us take that horrible contract off your hands, and we’ll give u damp and stack’s expiring deals. but u have to give us martin too. thats the type of deal the mavs could make.
by j-ace on May 21, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think im smart enough
so anyone care to try and figure out how much the kings could save in that aforementioned deal? they save 5 mil from stack’s buyout, and the combined 16 mil from martin and nocioni… dunno if that even works under the cap though, someone should prob run it thru the trade machine
by j-ace on May 21, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather trade Howard and Stack for T-Mac then keep Howard and Stack.
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by srdmad on May 20, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is money ever really an issue
with cuban? we’re over the cap, and we will be over the cap whether we give him 4 mil or 5 mil. im pretty sure this wasnt a contract year type season for him, he always played like this even before his suspension.
by j-ace on May 15, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
j-ace....
We have a draft pick this summer. It’s the pick NEXT year that we traded away for Kidd. And although the buzzard (I believe you called him the birdman) is athletic and can block shots, he’s hardly a player (imop) that would put the MAVS over the top. He averages approximately the same pts/rebounds that Damp does. We need a better center than him. We also need a better all-around 2 guard.
As far as being disgusted with this team…..for the first time in a long time, I’m not. Disappointed yes, disgusted no. I think considering we need a better center and a scoring 2 guard, plus the fact that Josh was unbelievably hurt and STILL kept gutting it out…..that the only person who really kicked ass (especially in round 2) was Dirk……that Jet struggled mightily……that we had to get used to a new coach this season (of whom I would give a B in his first season) and that EVERYONE (including our former coach) said we wouldn’t even make it to the playoffs…….we proved that many many people in the sports world do not know what the hell they are talking about. If we can get a few key pieces around Dirk he can fulfill his dream (and MFFL’s) of bringing a championship to Dallas. IMOP, NO PLAYER deserves that more than Dirk. So although I am somewhat disappointed, I’m proud this team has 9 straight years of 50+ wins per season. There’s only a HANDFUL of teams that can make that claim. And this team is closer to a championship than any of the GS Warriors or Phoenix Suns or even the Portland Trailblazers for that matter. So here’s hoping for some great offseason moves…..
GO MAVS!
by Cynthia56 on May 16, 2009 1:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We're closer to a championship than the Suns/Warriors?
Oh goody. Allow me to draw up next years parade route.
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by Maximilian on May 16, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors have an unbelievable amount of young talent
that they can wheel and deal around for pieces if they had the savvy front office…which they don’t have. Plus Nellie would never allow it. They’ve got Ellis, Jackson, Biedrins as likely untouchables, serviceable swingmen in Maggette and Azubuike, a dead-eye shooter in Morrow, two raw PFs in Wright and Randolph (who has sick, sick upside) and Jamal Crawford’s contract just expired. Not much D there, but they’ve got plenty of firepower that other teams would like. Then they could add a guy like Earl Clark in the draft…oh boy. Then make a deal for Bosh, they’re like the freaking Oklahoma Thunder.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 16, 2009 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will never trust a Nellie team to win a title
just like D’Antoni. It’s fun to watch, makes for good teams, but WON’T win titles.
You just said it yourself, not much D there. Try no D. They were dead last in PPG against last year. Fun to watch, athletic as hell, but undisciplined and too youthful.
If we’re on that side of the NBA in terms of where we’re going, then I’m very worried about the future.
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by Maximilian on May 16, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their front office is totally incompetent
they have enough offensive pieces to wheel and deal, but that’s all the front office are content in trying to acquire. It’s like they’re playing NBA 2K9 where you don’t need to play D at all and just find a way to put the ball in the basket.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 18, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Warriors SUCK.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 17, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in the bay area, so:
The warriors are a strange team right now. Monta did not come back full force from his injury, and all those shooters playing together doesn’t work out. With injuries all year long, they rarely started their whole lineup, which may have been a good thing. The warriors could play very well even without magette and crawford. Just a lot of athletic young guys who are willing to run up and down the court. A very raw team, but they will be going somewhere when Nellie gets fired.
I wouldn’t mind a randolph or kelenna A. on the mavs. (no gerald green doesn’t count)
by loyal2therams on May 18, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i know
N41D said we should blow it up and rebuild next year. but we cant because we have no first rounders the next two years.
and i didnt say birdman would push us over the top. my line of thinking was. sign birdman —> damp expendable —> use his expiring contract to get a big ticket scorer at the 2
by j-ace on May 16, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have the possibility of blowing it up and competing as early as next year
if we play our cards right. Lots of teams are looking for financial flexibility/relief, and that could be a much easier avenue than simply waiting for the free agency of 2010. I think we could end up with a very decent center via trade, with the possibility of landing Bosh. I also think we can easily solve our starting SG situation. The one remaining move would be to draft (either in our current slot or moving up via more trades) a future PG. All of this could very easily be handled, and if we play our cards right and get the right centerpiece return in a trade, this could allow Dirk to be VERY effective for 3 or 4 more years, while that new player (Bosh) establishes himself as the leader of the team.
And we do have a pretty good draft pick this year at 22 – it’s not great, numerically, but it’s closer to the lottery than you think with all the depth in this year’s draft. This is a draft that, after the top pick or two, is very hard to read. The 22nd pick could end up being as good as the 5th pick. At 22, we could potentially see Jeff Teague fall to us. Or we could move up and take Lawson, Evans or Flynn if he’s in the draft. Any of those guys could work out at the PG position. Maybe we go with freak athlete Terrence Williams, or reach for Jrue Holiday. I even think Darren Collison is going to be a very good defensive PG that can handle the ball and score if needed.
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by Walter Sobchak on May 18, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great comment ...
You showed basically all the options we have … I think we have the chance to move up this draft with our pick and money. The thunder have something like 20 picks this year. And personally I think we have a good chance of landing Bosh here, the Raptors know they will be losing him for nothing in 2010, if they can get something in return like Josh they will do it. And I think that we really have to focus on the SG position, if we can get a scoring threat on the 2 we can be pretty good. Like you said before, we can’t live with a scoring hole at the 1, 2 and 5 positions at the same time. If we solve our problem at the 2 and 5, we can live without Kidd scoring … Can’t wait for July to come.
by hugommorais on May 18, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay
we get the best player of a team that won 30 games to be our franchise player of the future. yipeee……
lol not that keen on bosh as a number one guy
by j-ace on May 19, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
I don’t think he is a good number one guy … But as long as Dirk is here, he would be a great 2nd guy.
by hugommorais on May 20, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really say that
Toronto were just baffling as hell last season. The last two seasons before, Bosh was leading a Eastern Conference playoff team.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 21, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've learned from many years as a Mavs fan...
That basing my satisfaction for a season on whether they win it all leads to disappointment. I think it’s reasonable to expect the players to take that approach because it’s their job, but as a fan? Of course there’s disappointment, but did you really get the impression that this team was good enough to win it all? Denver made teams that were far more defensively talented look equally as bad (or worse) this season, especially at home. They’re good. Really good. If you can’t admit that, then you’re fooling yourself.
Every season I learn something about the pro game and the players. I also know that most times, no matter how determined players and teams are, there are simply better athletes….better teams…better coaching decisions. It’s part of the game. I now find myself as much of a fan of the game as I am rabid about the Mavericks, and have learned to appreciate what the season brings. The history of the NBA is littered with teams that were great for multiple seasons and never won it all.
I generally agree with your insight 100%, but I think this one is way off.
by DitchThePlaybook on May 16, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the comments
I readily admit I may be in the minority, but my comments about our defense are based about the season, not just the Denver series. I firmly believe that we could have performed better. Many people say that our team is too old to have higher defensive expectations, but San Antonio always has an extremely strong defense, even as it’s hauling out fossils like Robert Horry and giving Michael Finley heavy minutes. So I don’t buy the whole “we’re not athletic or young enough.” This team did extremely well on defense two years ago with arguably a LESS athletic team.
To me it’s all about commitment and attitude. I didn’t see either on the defensive side this year, and it was the difference between an early playoff exit and a run to the title. And I never believed this team could contend for a title with its current lack of defensive ability. In fact, I basically said the team needed to be blown up back in February. Since then the offense has come around in startling fashion. But the defense? Ugh. So now it’s more complicated. But changes need to be made.
by Jakedfw on May 16, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changes definitely need to be made.
I think that part is apparent…..I’m curious to see if the FO just decides to add another piece or two, or to truly ‘blow it up’. It’ll be interesting to see how deep the changes will be if Kidd doesn’t resign.
by DitchThePlaybook on May 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know Jake
the Nuggets had a defensive player of the year (Camby) leave in the off-season, and yet they were still a horrid defensive team with him there. They trade for Chauncey and all of a sudden, everybody plays defense with pride and aggression. I think if we can get an Artest or a “Chauncey” the team could take on a different identity.
Also, I don’t think we’re all “satisfied” with having gotten past the first round and then floundering in the 2nd round. I maintain that the Nuggets series would’ve been a lot different if we had a healthy Josh Howard throughout the series. And of course, things could have been much different if we’d have pulled out Game 3. In addition, I think many fans and media that you read about saying they are happy we got out of the 1st round and were complacent with that, were the same ones that thought we wouldn’t make the playoffs or would lose in the 1st round for the 3rd consecutive year. So there’s a point of view that you and I, maybe, aren’t coming from to take into account.
I think this team has gaping holes and I think this team has huge strengths to continue to build around. I think it only goes 2 directions from here:
1. Re-sign Kidd, trade Damp and Stackhouse for a decent sized SG that will play hard defense and can hit the 3/drive to the hoop regularly (a Pietrus-like player), sign a player like Shaq at the 5, and make a final run for it next year with the intent on freeing a lot of cap space and aiming for a big 2010 name, or…
2. Sign-and-trade Kidd to Cleveland or LA (not sure what you’d expect back), trade Damp, Stack to a salary strapped team, trade Howard for something like a Caron Butler and Nick Young package, trade Terry if the market is right and move up in the draft to select our future PG/C, try to acquire Bosh however possible via a combination of these trades
Either way, there will be a big makeover
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 17, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It really is championship or bust now
losing in the second round just isn’t good enough now after that Kidd trade was made. Back in the Nellie years, we’d shake off a playoffs loss by saying that the team would contend for years to come, they know their weaknesses and where they got beat, Dirk will only get better as he learns what needs to be done, we have the pieces to deal for a guy which can fill a need. But now, none of that exists.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on May 18, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would see if Miami would take Kidd for Haslem.
Haslem will be coming off the bench next year, because of Beasley and Miami wants to upgrade at point guard.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on May 18, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on guys
we need to push all our chips into the table now. haslem? we need an elite player. im tired of adding role players to this flawed team. lets get dirk a decent second banana
by j-ace on May 19, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck trading Kidd for an elite player.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on May 20, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on D, attitude is important, and it starts with the team's leader
The comment about the Nuggets trading out Camby for Chauncey is important . . . it’s not necessarily that the Nuggets made major talent upgrades, but they did make a major attitude adjustment, so to speak. If the Mavs could find another leader that focuses on D rather than scoring, it could help get the Mavs back to where they were under Avery. Ultimately, Avery MADE them be better defensively, but since the acknowledged leaders on that team (namely, Dirk) weren’t perhaps as bought in as they should’ve been (particularly after 2006’s debacle), they chafed under demands. Having another respected floor presence in there that preaches D would be extremely helpful. It would’ve been nice if that were Kidd, but obviously D’s never been his strong-suit. I would be a lot happier if we could swap Kidd with someone like Chauncey, but not sure what other options are out there . . .
I gave up on Dirk being a better defender a long time ago. He’s simply not quick enough (and sometimes it looks like he’s not trying hard enough, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt). So, someone else has to set the tone.
by RoyTarpley on May 18, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Dirk's D ...
Has been overlooked because everybody just assumes he is not good at that. You could see at the end of the games, when he saved the team with a block, a steal or a well played D. It’s just that he has to carry the scoring burden and maybe he saves a little on D. Obviously he will never be a Mutombo or something like that, but if the team has a good collective D he can be pretty good at that.
by hugommorais on May 18, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk played some awesome defense at the end of the regular season
comparatively speaking, and picked his spots in the Spurs series. But his defense completely fell apart in the Nuggets series. He abandoned any defensive stance and went completely “all offense all the time”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on May 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk's very inconsistent
He can be good, sometimes quite good, but he can also be totally lost. Most of the time he is closer to below average than above average in my opinion.
by Jakedfw on May 18, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great comment
You pretty much nailed it. Avery was the Chauncey Billups for the Mavs on defense. Absolutely.
by Jakedfw on May 18, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockets fan here
I try to follow all the texas teams to some extent and I think Cuban will wait one more year before he blows it up.
Seems like he’ll bring in another piece to add a little depth to the lineup. Maybe a post presence? Shaq would be cool in Dallas.
I think Carlisle is safe because of the injuries and age on the team, plus the fact that he got you guys to the second round despite all of that. Short of a losing season next year I think he comes back.
Go Rockets.
by Rock Creator on May 19, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dampier stinks
id rather have bradley at least he could bring some skills to the table, dampier is worthless, well except for dropping passes, falling down (bradley syndrome), and doing the Dampier Dance. maybe they can bring the cookie monster out of retirement, and send damp to houston!
by dennys414 on May 20, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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