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Trade scenarios. Draft picks. Outline our weaknesses and holes that need filled. Leave your comments below.

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What will it take

to pick up a high second-rounder on draft day? I’d like to see us get another pick in the Darren Collison/Dionte Christmas/Toney Douglas area. Also, is there any possibility Jrue Holliday drops to 22 or into the second round? His upside is huge and he might be an option at PG if he can learn a little from Kidd.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 21, 2009 7:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Ford has him going to the Buck at 10,

that is way too high for him, I think.

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by srdmad on May 21, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

he hasn’t shown enough substance to be at 10 even with his upside.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 22, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh...

He didn’t really play a true point at UCLA with Collison out there… Kinda coming from the same situation Russ Westbrook got into…

The kid has talent… He’s need developmental time, but he’s my favorite PG coming out of college aside from Johnny Flynn…

by N41D on May 22, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is his upside huge?

I’d much rather have Collison. And yes, that’s taking the “Russell Westbrook effect” into account…what do you consider Holliday’s upside to be?

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by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guy was highly-regarded as a freshman

going into his freshman season, as an all-around guy with athleticism and explosiveness, scoring ability from basically all over the floor (maybe his shot isn’t NBA-range yet) and the ability for defence. Then Darren Collison returned to UCLA, and he had to play off-the-ball, somewhere he hadn’t played before, and he only managed to show flashes. I think he would be a lottery pick if he’d been playing point all season for the Bruins.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 26, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say

we trade for a center. Tyson Chandler or Chris Kaman maybe. Also if we could sign a free agent like Ariza for our bench, that’d be good.

by smg31085 on May 21, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm coming around to this

The last two months of the season and the playoffs have generally made me feel like we need little to no help on offense, especially with Josh Howard 100% healthy. So most of the commentary that I see involving centers discuss the need for a low post threat and somesuch. I’m more interested in a low post stopper. So I don’t really have center high on my needs list.

That said, I absolutely do think that a strong center on the offensive end when paired with Nowitzki would be something that would be beyond deadly. We’re talking an offense of such precision that the defense would be almost unnecessary (and trust me, I don’t say things like that often!). So I’m interested in that low post threat. Definitely.

That said, I’d still want to see our defense addressed first, but if this is our only option, I think it’s a good one.

by Jakedfw on May 21, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Chandler

if he’s healthy he would definitely help our Defense… We’ve never really had a dominant shot-blocker. A guy like Chandler could make our guards look a lot better by minimizing the dangers of penetration. How nice would it have been to have a shot blocker against, say, Tony Parker?

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by MeanMr.Mustard on May 21, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

I probably have too much respect for Damp’s defense. Not that I think it’s exceptional, but that it isn’t bad by any means. But you’re right. A Chandler would be more than just an offensive weapon.

by Jakedfw on May 21, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like Damp a lot.

I might prefer him to Chandler, say, one-on-one against Duncan. I just wish we had a shot blocker in the middle.

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by MeanMr.Mustard on May 21, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dampier is probably the ideal guy to guard Duncan. He’s completely ill-suited for the more athletic centers that Western Conf. contenders have on their rosters, though. I think Chandler can still do a respectable job against Duncan while being a huge improvement against Nene, Gasol, etc. He’ll also be a much better helpside defender, shot blocker, and lane protector.

by Johnathan on May 22, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chandler is a huge addition

if we still have Kidd…a guy that can catch AND finish at the rim. With Authority.

but I’d still rather see us get Kaman

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by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damp is GREAT against guys like Duncan...

Guys like Nene, Kenyon Martin, and Birdman… Not so much… LOL

A guy like Chandler or Camby would make an ideal pairing…

by N41D on May 22, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, Marcus Camby..

/drool

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by MeanMr.Mustard on May 23, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Camby is 35 years old...

If the Mavs make a big trade, you can count on the returning player(s) being a good deal younger than 35-36. I’m also hugely skeptical on the possibility of a Shaq deal for the same reason.

by Johnathan on May 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

If we trade for Kaman we will have to take Baron’s contract,
and if we trade for Chandler we would have to take on Peja’s contract.

Which would you prefer. Personally I would take Baron, I know he single handily crushed us in the first round but he still is a good PG when healthy

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 21, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we traded Damp and Stack for Davis and Kaman.

That leaves us with these two plus Terry and Carroll, that’s a lot of money. If we could get rid of Terry and Carroll, I would be interested in trading for Davis and Kaman.

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by srdmad on May 21, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um...

Davis and Kaman are light years better than Damp and Stack

by One Team to Rule Them All on May 22, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you see the part where I said I would rather have Damp and Stack?

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by srdmad on May 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still trying to figure out why

you think LA would even talk to Dallas again if this trade was offered. You might as well offer Barea for Chris Paul.

by One Team to Rule Them All on May 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salary cap relief

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by srdmad on May 22, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are they really hurting that bad?

Seems like a lot to give up just to save the owner some money.

by One Team to Rule Them All on May 22, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re talking about Donald Sterling, arguably one of the worst owners in the history of the NBA. The guy is famous for spending as little as possible while raking in the dough that an LA franchise makes. In the last decade people were shocked to see Sterling open his wallet a bit, but now that the roster has become a total disaster I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked to see him ditch as much salary as possible.

by Johnathan on May 23, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are only a few teams out there

that will take on more salary…and we are the most logical. A Damp/Stack coming off the books deal is VERY attractive to a team that already has Camby, Kaman, DeAndre Jordan and Zach Randolph and will soon have Blake Griffin in the works…so they jettison the bigger contracts to make way for Griffin, and hope to draft a PG later in the draft to take over for the departure of Davis, which was a failed signing apparently.

Combine a decent young PG with Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan and you’ve got a pretty inexpensive, young, athletic starting 5 in a year or two and meanwhile have Camby, Randolph, Damp and Stack to fill in the gaps.

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by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the recession hitting the other NBA franchises hard, maybe Cuban can buy some first rounders and get younger? Unfortunately the draft class is fairly weak this year. If we could somehow make a lopsided deal for Memphis’ first rounder so that the Mavs could draft Rubio that would be a great start. Remember this is the GM that sent Gasol to the Lakers for practically nothing.

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by DerekSTheRed on May 21, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um, I wouldn't call two first round picks and Marc Gasol "nothing."

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by srdmad on May 21, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

two late first round picks they might as well be second rounders

Top tier talent in the draft rarely goes past the top 5. This year’s only goes 2 deep if you like Rubio.

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by DerekSTheRed on May 22, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must have missed the part where I said "and Marc Gasol"

because I don’t see your argument for why he is “nothing.”

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by srdmad on May 22, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a draft like this

a late first-rounder still nets you a serviceable role player.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 22, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Collison would be good...

Lawson might be good….
We have a chance

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 27, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

Marc Gasol, cap space, and picks isn’t a bad deal…

It looked bad initially, but it’s not that bad now…

by N41D on May 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's still pretty bad.

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by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really not...

Given where they were as a franchise and the fact they weren’t going anywhere with Pau Gasol in the fold…

You don’t get a whole ton for second or third tier stars on max contracts on the trade market… That’s reality…

by N41D on May 27, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they were goin nowhere with pau...

so they gave him away for his not as good younger brother and late first round draft picks?

the fact that marc gasol actually knows how to play basketball turns it from a really really really horrible trade to just a not very good trade. NOT a good trade by any stretch of the imagination

by j-ace on May 27, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salary dumping

and getting some useful players. That’s a fair trade for a small-market team, and would’ve been better if Javaris Crittenton hadn’t sucked.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 27, 2009 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't say it was good...

But it’s not bad, and it’s certainly not awful…

They got about as good a deal as they could get, given they were really looking to get out from under that contract and were in a SERIOUS bind financially at the time…

by N41D on May 27, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

I would like to move up the draft into the top 5. Maybe washington or memphis would trade their picks. Also, I would try to get Kaman cheap right now. The Clippers are excited because they will draft Griffin who is another frontcourt player and will be trying to unload at least one of the front guys. Kaman is still young, can score and defend. And he has that trade kicker that makes his contract bad enough so we don’t have to take additional bad contracts and also makes him untradeable to most nba teams, we would be their only option. And for the 2 spot I would go for Anthony Randolph or Stephen Jackson. I would like to have Josh Smith or Redd but I don’t think it’s possible, so …

by hugommorais on May 21, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Get a C and SF

Trade Damp for Kaman straight up. I think the Clippers would want to unload some of their big men but I’m guessing they’ll try to get rid of Randolph first before moving Kaman. Camby,I think,is not a priority to be moved since he has an expiring(?) contract.

Sign Kidd to a 3 year (8.5-8-7.5) deal. Draft a PG that will take over Kidd once his contract expires. Trade Terry with Howard,I know JET’s a crowd fave but we all know he is an SG in a PG’s body. And he plays no D. If we could just somehow have Detroit send us Prince and Rip for JET and JHo…

by Sonic Death Monkey on May 21, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Terry's someone the opposition needs to guard

If we dump Terry we need to replace him with at least as good a shooter, and those aren’t easy to come by. Terry is a sharpshooter.

by Jakedfw on May 21, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what?

if we have to take on Randolph to get Kaman, I would do it…we’re probably going to lose Bass, so we will need a backup PF – even if he is a total jackass

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by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x

Trade Terry.

The CJ hate is getting old.

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by sprite on May 21, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No guts no glory

Damp + Stack for Shaq. Yeah, Shaq’s not in his prime, he’s not a great defender nowadays blah blah… He’s an upgrade. A big upgrade.

Outside of that there’s a fair little free agent crop, we can sign and trade Bass (I love him but he’s gonna be a starter somewhere and in my world Shaq’s our next starting center).

I say hold out on trading J-Ho. He’s still got so much promise.

by jaredallas on May 21, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The BIG needs

The Mavs are still in win-now mode and the team won’t blow it up & rebuild until Dirk’s days of leading a team to a championship are toast. For this reason, I don’t think the Mavs will be a huge player in the draft. There simply isn’t time to draft a lottery-caliber player and let him develop.

Let’s be clear about what the Mavs are… at their core, they’re still the team that was built to beat teams like the Shaq-era Lakers and the Duncan-era Spurs. However, the new crop of championship caliber teams like the current Lakers and Nuggets are built very differently, focusing on athleticism. Thus, the Mavs need to re-tool with a few better athletes to seriously compete for titles.

Regarding Jason Kidd and the PG position – If there was a better PG available with more athleticism, I’d press hard to get him. Ready for the bad news? There’s not. Kidd has many weaknesses in his game at this point in his career, but there are two things Dallas needs to focus on:
Focus 1: Making sure Kidd re-signs in Dallas. Let’s face it: I’m sure Kidd would like the storybook ending of retiring as a Maverick, but the allure of a championship via LA, CLE, etc is enormous. Dallas needs to make a big move this summer just to retain Kidd. They’ll still have to pay through the nose to sign him, but like I said, it’s their best option for ‘09-10.
  
Focus 2: Surround Kidd with better athletes. How many incredible Kidd passes did Dampier fumble away? A lot. How many alley-oops did Kidd throw this year? Not many. Surround Kidd with better athletes and he’ll really be able to shine. I truly feel that the Mavs’ roster, as currently built, cannot truly take advantage of Kidd’s talents as a distributor.

What move should the Mavs make?
Get Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. N.O. won’t want to send Chandler to a strong division rival, but it’s pretty obvious that ownership doesn’t want his salary around. Chandler can be most of the things Dampier is at the defensive end and can be LOTS of things Dampier isn’t at the offensive end. I’m salivating at the thought of the potential Kidd-Chandler alley-oops. He will also be a better fit against more athletic centers that kill the Mavs, the Gasol/Nene/Bynum types.

Honestly, I’m not sure what move comes next. I don’t have a good source for “real” contract info (i.e. who has buyout options, team options, etc) and I’m not sure how many bargaining chips Dallas will have left after Chandler. Here’s the roster after the Chandler deal (I’ll assume that Damp won’t be around):

C: Chandler, Hollins
PF: Dirk, Bass
SF: Howard, Green/Singleton/???
SG: Terry, Wright
PG: Kidd, Barea

I think there’s still a huge roster spot available for a SF with a defensive mindset and the quickness to play the 2. They could take minutes from Green/Singleton and also Wright. This is where the Mavs could really find a diamond in the rough, via free agency or a 3-4 year college player who falls in the draft.

Finally, I have a question: Will Dallas have to use part of it’s MLE to re-sign Bass? I was under the impression that you could re-sign your own players without having to use the MLE. That may only apply to restricted FAs or Bird-rights FAs, though. Thanks to anyone who can clarify the situation.

by Johnathan on May 21, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis ...

I’m with you in all that. I really think that Kidd still plays at a high level and can be a lot better with better athletes around. We could have had a very good PG in Felton if we could complete our trade with Diop. If we had done that, we could sign felton for around 10mil and sign and trade Kidd for some good player. But we didn’t. I’m afraid that Chandler will be a problem because of his health. The problem is that most of the Centers that can be had, have health problems, Kaman, Chandler, Camby. Maybe we can get Kaman cheaper than Chandler because the clippers are dumb and also they will take griffin and will try to unload one of their front guys.

After solving the Center position we need to find a quality starting 2. I think that is possible to get Michael Redd, he would be fantastic and I would be ok for trading Terry for him. Maybe not at the start of the season, but after the Bucks start their usual suckness he could be available. Also, Anthony Randolph would be great for us or even Stephen Jackson …

by hugommorais on May 21, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of us would take Redd for Terry,

Redd is an actual shooting guard and his contract can end next season and we get rid of Terry’s contract.

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by srdmad on May 21, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SJax at SG would be nice...

Give us the edge that we need.

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 22, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

I don’t think he’s leaving Golden State. He’s the heart and soul of that team.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 22, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...

That would be a good move for us, but I agree with you, I don’t think they will trade him, unless something good is returning. But I think that they will have to trade some wing players, without checking rosters they have Ellis, Crawford, Randolph, SJax, Bellineli, Azubuike, Morrow, Maggete maybe even other guys, anyone from Randolph, SJax, Azubuike or Morrow I would love to have with us. Any of them would be huge upgrades over what we have, let’s try to trade for a SG with them and a Center with the Clippers. That’s the way to go.

by hugommorais on May 22, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Crawford...

The guy can score, he would be undersized but Kidd might be better suited to guard SGs anyways

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 22, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford's a gunner in the Stackhouse mould

who can’t play D. He’s fun to watch, especially with his nasty handles but I wouldn’t want him.

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by jonthefon on May 22, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Jackson at SF and Redd at SG.

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by srdmad on May 22, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still like what JHo brings to the team w/ 0 ankles

and next year he will be fully healthy again and if he can stay healthy he could take another step in his development

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 23, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm undecided on what to do about the draft though

truthfully when I read Ty Lawson I liked the pick but then we would have 3 PGs… Kidd Ty and Barea and Barea has played well enough to stay on the court…. Kidd is 6-4 I wonder if he could guard SG more regularly w/ Ty Lawson guarding the point….
I need to look into the draft more….

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 22, 2009 2:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We are high enough to get Terrence Williams...

but he’s not really that polished and we don’t need a raw type, even if he is freakishly athletic.

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by jonthefon on May 22, 2009 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played as Point Forward...

And I liked what I saw from him, As long as he is willing to put in the work I say draft him and he will be good for us in the long haul, Cubes can buy his way into the first round again for a guy that is more ready

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have seen Williams as high as 14 and as low as 25,

He plays defense, which I like, but not consistent offensively, kinda like Wright.

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by srdmad on May 22, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a do-it-all player

Gets points, assists, and rebounds which is what I like about him and at 6-6 he is perfect size to play SG for us…. I do like that Rodrigue guy as well, which is where Cubes money comes in to get us a late first/ early second.

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by nicholas.rodriguez on May 23, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would draft Ty Lawson and let him play

I’m fine if Kidd walks. I love him, but he’s getting old.

If we could send Stack and Damps contracts for Shaq, I’d take it. Cuban needs to let his wallet hit after that Kidd trade. Not even Harris I’m upset about, but rather the 2 1st rounders. D’oh.

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by Maximilian on May 22, 2009 3:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shaq...

i just threw up a little in my mouth

by j-ace on May 22, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering why.

Yeah he’s way past his prime, yeah he’s expensive, but he’s STILL a player that puts you in a contender situation, even at his age. Last year was sort of a renaissance for him. I’d take his production over Damps any day.

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by Maximilian on May 23, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I go back and forth on Shaq, personally

At one point last year I was driving the Shaq to Dallas bandwagon, but I’m not necessarily sure if a post scorer is what we need most right now. Let me put it to you this way, if we could make one impact trade this summer, would you have Shaq, a guy who probably helps clog the middle a bit on D, but isn’t the defender he used to be, or would you rather make a trade for an athletic defensive-minded swingman?

Again, I don’t know the answer. But I do know that our offense is pretty damn good without Shaq.

by MeanMr.Mustard on May 23, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

damp knows his role

shaq would bog us down on offense and defense.
hooray we get a fattie who scored 18 ppg cause his team kept feeding him the ball.
you think 36 year old slow fat shaq will suddenly make the mavs the best team in the west? please..

and dont say “oh well i never said it would make us the best team in the west” any move we make HAS to be with a championship in mind. dirk has prob bout 2 or 3 years at peak capacity left. go all in now.

by j-ace on May 24, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We pretty much went all in with that Kidd trade

and here we are.

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by Maximilian on May 25, 2009 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

even at his age...

he’d give us some very good post presence…so if we don’t happen to trade for a Kaman/Chandler/Dalembert, I’d sign him for SURE.

Kidd, Howard, a free agent SG/SF that can score and defend, Dirk and Shaq could pose a title threat with the right backups in a 2009/2010 where we spend a lot for one shot, hoping to jettison those contracts for the 2010 free agency. It’s a last-effort type scenario though, if we don’t find the right trade partners

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by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barea

BAREA: This won’t be popular, but I’m betting J.J. won’t be back. The Mavs need more than expiring salaries for trade; they also need to give up some cheap role players who can be sold to a fan base as more than they’re really worth. One of those would be Bass in a sign-and-trade, the other J.J., and I (and I’m betting Donnie Nelson too) would be far more willing to give up J.J. I love Barea, and he will be a fan favorite wherever he goes. But given the age of Kidd, the Mavs need to use the second point guard spot to groom his replacement – that is, unless they go really, really cheap and find a really rough player they can park on the bench for two years. The problem is that Barea will never be more than a second guard, primarily because he can’t play defense against most guards in the league, and that’s a problem on a team with so many defensive holes.

WRIGHT: I also think Antoine Wright should go. Though he’s been an upgrade on Griffin and others who have filled this spot in recent years, the fact is that they need an athletic scorer or an athletic defender (hopefully both) in this slot, and Wright’s defense, while helpful, is deficient against real athletes, and his offensive inconsistency is a killer. He alternates between unexpectedly prolific scoring and 0-8 shooting days.

TERRY: Despite the general love for Terry out there, I would not mind losing him for value: he’s got a lot of spunk, but is a serious defensive liability and is one-dimensional offensively, a fact which was exposed in the playoffs. His contract may be difficult to trade, but not for an even more overpaid player, or as part of a package for the same.

NEEDS: Assuming Kidd is resigned, an athletic young point guard who can play defense and grow into the starting role, serving initially as Kidd’s backup. A center who can match-up against Nene and other athletic centers – perhaps Chandler. But Kaman? No. The key is to get younger and more athletic, not get another big, white, floppy center such as Kaman (who reminds me of the long line of big, white Mav centers, from Uwe Blab to Jim Farmer). The Mavs have done a great job of recycling guys such as Singleton and Bass (and Diop before the mid-level mistake), but we need to start using those roster spots on future starters.

UPSHOT: Donnie Nelson’s done a good job of trying to tamp down expectations recently, but this team needs more than cosmetic changes, no matter what he says. I’m betting two of three are gone from Barea, Bass, Wright – perhaps 3 of 3 if Bass goes via free agency on his own to a team that will start him. That will mean real changes. Howard or Terry should also go.

by PhillyMav on May 22, 2009 7:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that if you were going to rebuild this team on paper, it needs more than cosmetic changes. This team is set up unbelievably poor on defense. However, I sincerely doubt that we’re going to see a complete overhaul of this Mavs team in a single summer.

PG: Kidd is too slow to even defend this position, so he spends most of his time defending 2’s. Barea is undersized against everyone and his offensive quickness doesn’t completely translate into defensive quickness.

SG: Wright would normally be fine defending the 2, unless we’re talking about a top-tier athlete who’s out of his league. Unfortunately Wright gets stuck guarding the best player anywhere between the PG and SF because Dallas’ other defensive options are all so bad. Wright is worth keeping. Terry is undersized at SG and subpar defensively, so Dallas is just hoping to abuse the mismatch more than the other team. Terry was usually dealing the abuse during the ’08-09 regular season, but not in the playoffs.

SF: Howard can be much better defensively than he is. His focus rarely appears to be on defense and he makes lots of mental mistakes that get him in foul trouble early. Unlike other positions on the Mavs roster, Josh fits the prototypical size and build of his position, but it’s the mental aspect of the game that he’s lacking. Dallas would love to stick him on players like Melo more often, but Josh hasn’t shown that he’s up to the task.

PF: Dirk has gotten much better defensively over the last 5 seasons. He’s a bit of a one trick pony with his strip move and his helpside defense could be much better, but he does a good job of making opponents miss around the rim and is rarely in foul trouble. Regarding Bass… if god had blessed him with 4 more inches of height, I think he’d be wanted by teams all around the league. He’s shown that he has the energy to make up for being a bit undersized, though. He’s the type of player Dallas [i]needs[/i] to keep around.

C: Dampier used to be the type of center Dallas needed, but he’s become a liability in a lot of matchups. He was abused by Nene on every post up and every screen and roll. Pau Gasol has tortured him in the same way and once Bynum develops he’ll be another player on a top-tier West team that Dallas has no answer for. I think Dallas desperately needs a more athletic center who still has good size and bulk – I lobbied above for Tyson Chandler. Hollins will probably never be an NBA starter, but he’s shown that he belongs here and seems very coachable.

Overall: Regardless of which lineup Dallas puts on the floor, many of those players struggle to defend their own position. When the defense starts to break down, helpside defense is either late or ineffective and someone inevitably makes a mental mistake in rotation. Too often, this mistake is made in the lane and Dallas is giving away two free points.

by Johnathan on May 22, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't sign and trade Bass...

I don’t think, anyway…

We don’t have Bird Rights on him, do we?

by N41D on May 22, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love J.J. as much as the next guy

but I’m with you.. I’m OK if he’s gone.

I’m a little tired of the undersized guards + slow Kidd routine on defense. It just doesn’t work.

by MeanMr.Mustard on May 23, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Roster Moves

1. Trade Dampier and Stackhouse for Baron Davis and Chris Kaman; offer to pay the $2 million for Stack’s buyout

2. Sign-and-Trade Kidd to the loser of the eventual Cleveland/Lakers Finals for a pick in either this year’s draft (preferable, as this year’s draft is very deep) or next year’s draft. If to Cleveland, ask for Delonte West and Sasha Pavlovic; if the Lakers, ask for Sasha Vujacic and Luke Walton

3. Sign Trevor Ariza as a free agent

4. Draft Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Jeff Teague, Paddy Mills, etc. as our PG of the future – whoever the organization likes best and is still available – with our 22nd pick.

5. Draft Terrence Williams, Marcus Thornton, Dionte Christmas, or the next highest rated SG/SF available at our draft slot from LA/Cleveland.

Starting 5: PG-Baron Davis, SG-Josh Howard, SF-Trevor Ariza, PF-Dirk Nowitzki, C-Chris Kaman

Bench: PG-our drafted, Barea; SG-Jason Terry and West/Vujacic; SF-our drafted SG/SF; PF-Luke Walton, Bass (unlikely to be able to re-sign him); C-Hollins

This is an athletic team with a good passing PG that can get to the hoop and hit an open 3, Josh moves to the 2 guard giving us improved scoring, Ariza is a great defender that can score at the 3, and Chris Kaman can score in the post, rebound and play defense. Dirk is comfortable with Kaman, our bench will be just as strong, we have a PG of the future to develop and a SG/SF to develop as well.

Weakness: a backup power forward if Bass isn’t re-signed or we don’t acquire Walton.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 22, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like these moves..

as for backup PF, Pops Mensah Bonsu is a free agent again and would fit in nicely if we lose Bass.

by bbob on May 22, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes!

me likey baron davis.
but. dunno if cleveland would trade west?
other than that, those are the type of moves that can get us over. a legitimate second banana with cajones who can create shots for other guys. that also helps to push everyone down a notch. terry should be a thrid option but he has to be second right now, howard would be excellent as a fourth option scoring, but hes third right now. baron davis solves that. and chris kaman can play the zydrunas ilgauskas “get us a bucket in the low post once i a while” role. only problem though is that defense would be POROUS with dirk and kaman frontcourt…

by j-ace on May 22, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a pretty nice set of moves

but still a win-now thing, of course. It rules the Mavs out of any 2010 sweepstakes, and I’m not sure how much it would take to get Trevor Ariza.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 23, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize Ariza was a FA

That would be an absolutely perfect addition. Not sure how much it would cost, or if we could afford it, but I’m on board that bandwagon.

by MeanMr.Mustard on May 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figure the MLE

is all we can throw at him if we’re making that Clippers trade.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 23, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's worth exploring, but...

I really doubt that the MLE will be enough.

by Johnathan on May 25, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why ??

why would anyone want baron davis or kris kaman………..davis’s contract is waaaaaaay above his desires to produce, besides, he left oakland to be in LA where he could produce videos and be around the movie industry, and kamen is always hurt and not much better than dampiere ??

by dgatorr on May 22, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I want Kaman.

why wouldn’t you want Kaman? Take on Baron (as the price to get Kaman) for a year, then try to trade him if he doesn’t work here when the rookie PG we drafted this year is ready to play.

We’re not going to be able to count on the free agency class of 2010. And of the upgrades out there at C, I think Kaman is # 1 on my list, then maybe a toss-up of Dalembert and Chandler.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 22, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kaman gets hurt

but if healthy, he’s head and shoulders better than Dampier offensively and defensively. Quicker, still strong, pretty athletic. What’s not to like?

This year he avg.d 12/8 with 1.5 blocks and half a steal a game. Not bad production from the 5 position. Year before, he dropped 15.7/12.7 with 2.8 blocks. I’d say that’s a damn fine improvement over Damp, even if his production goes down while here.

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by Maximilian on May 22, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good rapport w/ Dirk as well....

I think he could avg. a double/double w/ us and I wouldn’t mind us winning a few games by B Diddy’s magic… If both of them stay healthy it would be a great trade

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't agree more ...

Look at the trade as it is … Dampier + Stack for Kaman and Davis, no matter how much it costs is a huge improvement over what we have, Stack can’t play anymore … And Dampier just sucks … After a year plagued with injuries and on a bad team like the Clippers, with a Center that gets a thousand rebounds and blocks each game, Kaman had 9 double doubles in 31 games, Dampier had 6 in 80 … And if we could keep Kidd there with Baron, we could play them at the same time, with Davis being the SG. If we can play Kidd, Terry and Barea at the same time on playoff games, anything is possible …

by hugommorais on May 22, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ian_thomsen/05/22/weekly.countdown/

The Wizards might trade the 5 pick for salary cap relief.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy moley.

How much salary cap relief?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 22, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda odd...

Their only three real big contracts are Jamison, Arenas, and Butler… And all three are fairly reasonable, unless they just want out from under the commitments to Arenas or Jamison…

The next three biggest contracts they have are all expiring after next season, too…

Wonder if trading them Stackhouse (along with cash for his buyout) for Etan Thomas, and saving them ~$7M next season would do anything for them…

by N41D on May 22, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Stack and cash for Butler, then they can keep the number 5 pick and we can move JHo down to the 2 spot and have Butler play the 3

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 23, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be an absolute STEAL

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Jamison and either Arenas or Butler.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 23, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Mavs:Jason Terry, S. williams, A. Wright
     for
Kings:Kevin Martin, Beno udrih, Donte green
Both teams improve, kings need a point guard and mavs get a great sg.

2. Mavs:Dampier, Barea, Stackhouse
   for
Bucks:Bogut, ridnour, bell, Mbah A Moute
Dampier is slow but doesn’t get injured much, but Bogut is an incredible player who is gret when not injured and he looks to make a full recovery this year.

Both of thse trades would greatly help the Mavericks and pose a starting lineup of:
Jason Kidd(if brought back)
Kevin Martin
Josh Howard
Dirk Nowitzk
Andrew Bogut

And add bell, ridnour, greene, udrih, and Mbah A Moute to the bench.
This team could go from a 50 win team to a 60 win team.
Would you go through on these trades?

by philthebballplayer on May 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahaahhahaahahahahahahaha

Both those trade make no sense at all for the other teams.

Jeff Zimmerman for President.

by AirJordan on May 23, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and it only makes us better on paper

would you feel confident going to war against the celtics, lakers, cavs etc with that group? umm… no.

by j-ace on May 24, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I wouldn't

but what about Kaman, Davis and the first overall pick for Dirk…..
Would anyone pull the trigger

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 24, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not

Dirk’s untouchable as far as I’m concerned. No way I’d trade him for two injury prone players and a rookie.

by smg31085 on May 24, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said I wouldn't, Dirk is my boy only for maybe Lebron or Kobe would I say goodbye Dirk

I saw a trade proposal earlier that was basically Stack and JHO for Redd and Jefferson from the Bucks… Thoughts

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 25, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically J-Ho for Redd

Jefferson’s good but definitely on the downside of his career. I’d stay put

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be good ...

But I don’t think they would do it. They would want to give up Jefferson’s contract too. Also, Jefferson would play at the SF position for us …

by hugommorais on May 26, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats why Stack and JHO for Redd and Jefferson...

We get a SG we need and replace JHO w/ Jefferson

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 27, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that trade.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 27, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Pitt's Sam Young...

not w/ our pick at 22 but send cash to a team like Memphis who has pick # 27 and pick him up, he is listed as SF but is 6’6 yet a very good defender, he could stay at SF while JHo move to SG just in name.

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 24, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or Dionte Christmas...

the only problem I have w/ Christmas is that we don’t need anymore jump shooters.

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 24, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not Young at 22?

That’s about the range he belongs in…

by N41D on May 24, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PGs are on the board

and rated higher. Go with highest rated player. Ideally, I trade for a later 1st round pick and take a PG first then Terrence Williams or a SG/SF like him

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrence Williams...

isn’t seeing the back end of Round 1… The Mavs would have to trade up from where they’re at to get him…

The only question about Williams is whether or not his head is in it… And him busting it in workouts will go a long way towards answering the questions and shooting up draft boards…

by N41D on May 27, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm all for BPA...

To me, at this point, this team can’t really be picky about positions… Other than PF (assuming they keep Bass), they’re not really set, or even young, at any position on the court…

Take the best player and be happy with it… All I’m saying is I wouldn’t be surprised if Young was the best player at that point… There’s gonna be a run on PGs at some point, and I honestly think it’ll hit before #22 rolls around…

Rubio, Jennings, Flynn, and Lawson won’t be around… Maynor and Holliday probably won’t be either… Are you convinced Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Patty Mills are anything more than back-up point guards? Teague has the most potential of the bunch, but I really think he needed another year at school… Collison and Mills don’t do much for me…

by N41D on May 27, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would like to see us move up

for jonny flynn. he will do stuff in the nba. mark my words.

by j-ace on May 27, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't see Flynn

as more than a really solid backup PG. He can score and he’s got intensity, but I don’t think he has the point guard skills to start with his height.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 27, 2009 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Flynn too

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 28, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote for a slasher

We need a slasher of some sort that can get to the rim on a regular basis. I think athleticism was sorely missed this year.

by b3tts32 on May 25, 2009 1:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

someone who can create buckets and get to the line

by j-ace on May 25, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that even with drafting someone like that

we still get a healthy Josh Howard to start doing that more on a regular basis. When he does that, we’re quite a force on offense.

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by Maximilian on May 25, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas interested in Rubio, or pure speculation?
Behind the scenes, efforts will be made to steer him the direction of the teams that appear to be most attractive, mainly Sacramento, Dallas, Indiana, Portland and New York, although not all those teams may have the assets or the interest level needed to get a deal done with Memphis. At this stage, Rubio appears unlikely to pull out of the draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#NBA-Draft-Roundup-May-24-3227

Reportedly Donnie also liked Nick Calathes, who now decided to play in Greece for at least one year but could still remain in the draft.

by Norsktroll on May 25, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 on getting Rubio, but...

I don’t think we have the pieces to trade him. I assume though that we would have to take on Darko and Marko’s contracts.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 25, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take it ...

Rubio learning two years from Kidd would be fantastic. Also, Darko is not that bad … He can be a good player someday.

by hugommorais on May 25, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you trade...

Josh Howard and Jerry Stackhouse for Marko Jaric, Darko, and #3?

That’s probably at the very least what it takes… And even then, I doubt they do that…

by N41D on May 26, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would do it, but I think Memphis would want more.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 26, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a Rubio fan

as far as making a move that will “change the face of this franchise.” It’d be nice to have Nash during his MVP years, and that’s the kind of ceiling I’d hope for with Rubio…but what this team needs to do when making a splash is at the SG/SF or C positions…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do wonder about Rubio

where would he be ranked in a regular draft class? Is he only ranked this high, because this year’s class sucks?

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 26, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

naw i think

rubio and blake griffin are considered top prospects. the reason this draft sucks is the drop off after that. after those two, its pretty much guys who wouldve gone late first round in other drafts

by j-ace on May 26, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just not very confident in Rubio

to make the transition to the NBA from Europe at the age of 18 seems a very difficult thing to do, especially if one hasn’t played the college game to prep up.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 27, 2009 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

says you

who follows a team whos best player did the exact same thing

by j-ace on May 27, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess all these Euro-types are

feast-or-famine guys. Dirk could have flamed out too.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 28, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually don't read these

dumbass trade scenarios on blogs like this and I really don’t know why I started now. Most of the trades purposed on here make sense for the MAVS but absolutely ZERO sense for the other team. Hell, I say we trade for Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, and Chris Paul……THAT makes ALMOST as much sense as some of the trades on here. For some reason people seem to forget that other teams MIGHT actually want SOMETHING IN RETURN. And it’s pretty asisine to think otherwise.

by Cynthia56 on May 25, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some trade proposals I agree with you

but don’t underestimate the power of an expiring contract. In this bad economy, the especially bad teams need all the flexible contracts they can get. If the Mavs can grab a productive player like a Camby or Kaman for Stackhouse and Damps expiring deals, they might do it.

Not every team has a sellout streak like the Mavs do, so these contracts are Cubans best bargaining chip at the moment.

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by Maximilian on May 26, 2009 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SPOT ON !

i agree Cynthia, especially ev1 wanting Baron Davis and Chris Kamen……..Kamen who is ALWAYS hurt and cant play……………and Davis who dont want to play anymore……….be like paying Finley $18 mil for 3 years to play for the spurs, all the armchair GM’s here, glad they dont have the real job of doing it !

by dgatorr on May 26, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so you are hoping for what...

a Tyson Chandler trade and call it a day? Or hold and wait for 2010 to make a run for LeBron (going to NYC for sure), Wade (would never play in Dallas) or Bosh (our only chance but I seriously doubt we end up with him)?

Let’s hear what you want to do…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and anyway

dallasbasketball.com had an article about how dallas’s 2010 pursuits arent realistic (wouldnt work under the cap)

by j-ace on May 26, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

b diddys still got it!

woud YOU want to play for that wretched clippers team? esp when ur strengths are in a running team and mike dumbleavy insists on calling terrible plays every time down the court?

by j-ace on May 26, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So here's another OVERLY drastic scenario..

and something also to stir up the pot. Let’s say the lakers lose in the Conference finals to the Nuggets.. starting a chain of events. Phil Jackson decides he wants to retire and Kobe decides he will go ahead and opt out. (correct me if I’m wrong but Kobe still does have an opt out clause after this season doesn’t he?) Kobe signs with us to play with Dirk and Kidd and voile, we are back on top.

Haha not this is likely or anything, but I guess you never say never.

by b3tts32 on May 26, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hehe, good one ...

Maybe we can sign Van Horn to play with that team too! hehe …

by hugommorais on May 26, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's going on here guys?

It’s been a while. Anyway, that is one of the many reasons I am rooting against the Lakers. We all know Kobe is one team meltdown from being an all out off-season drama queen once again. (Yes, I believe Kobe’s 2009-10 is a Player Option.) So, who knows…

by ptrck on May 26, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then Dirk takes a huge paycut and Lebron signs with us the next year.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 26, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kobe would sign with NY

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 26, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little worried about team chemistry

if we do make these moves to pull in a second banana for Dirk. Sure, I’m all in for them with our chances to get a 2010 FA seemingly low (I still like Joe Johnson, but Atlanta look good to resign him).

Remember the last time the Mavs’ tried building an all-star team and got Jamison and Walker? They never really got the chemistry or defense right and won 52 games on basically offensive talent alone, and then got run over by the Kings.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 27, 2009 4:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but you're forgetting

Antoine Walker is a piece of shit.

Only Maverick I’ve ever openly disliked, even while on our team.

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by Maximilian on May 27, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker wasn't that bad.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 27, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a loser

I was in the locker room after the Mavs lost to the Heat, and he had this sour look on his face, and while everybody else was cheering, he was saying pretty loudly “man, let’s get out of this city…this city’s nothin’ but a bunch of haters…”

didn’t even care that he’d won a ring.

and he’s a chucker.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might be a loser,

but he had talent and was a decent player for us.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 27, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His shimmys after making a 3 drove me insane.

Especially when those shimmys came during a 1-9 night from long range. I hated his arrogance, his ugly style of play, his socks, and if I saw his children, I probably wouldn’t care too much for them either.

In conclusion, Antoine Walker is a crying bitch whose best contribution to this team was getting traded for Jason Eugene Terry.

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by Maximilian on May 28, 2009 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doug Christie???

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 27, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just the guy I was thinking

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 28, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TRADE THAT MAKES SENSE

We should trade j-ho, the jet and j.j bare for bosh and jose calderon from the raptors
Bosh is a dallas native he would love to stay and calderon should be kidds replacement
And then we should aim our sights in trevor ariza great defender
jkidd-calderon
wright-green-caroll
ariza-singleton
dirk-bosh-bass-
bosh-dampier-hollins
and we should draft a shooting guard or trade stackhouse for a shotting guard

by Jcmav on May 27, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what makes you think the Raptors want to just give us Bosh AND Calderon

and take on more salary and age?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 27, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A trade that makes sense for us...

Not the Raptors

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 28, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That trade wouldn't get accepted in NBA 2K9.

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by Maximilian on May 28, 2009 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

my sig is better than yours

by hinduplaya on May 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont understand this infatuation with bosh

hes a nice player, but hes not a number one type guy, and as a number two he doesnt really make sense for our team unless he plays out of position at center, which im not too keen on…

by j-ace on May 28, 2009 2:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He does a lot of good things

which would work well for a second banana to Dirk. He would spread the floor, for instance.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 28, 2009 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with Dirk, a competent PG

and a few outside shooters (Terry and a new starting SG) and a slasher like Josh (if healthy), Chris Bosh is EXACTLY what this team needs. An athletic low-post scorer, rebounder, shot blocker that can play C without hurting us. I would LOVE to see a Dirk/Bosh combination for 3 more years…that would certainly extend Dirk’s peak years by taking some pressure off of him, and extend his title years. Imagine what Gasol gave the Lakers, and take it a step further with Bosh. He’s better in many regards.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 28, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But wouldn't getting Bosh cost us one of Terry or Josh?

Or are we saying 2010 again?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

either way. I'm sure they wouldn't take Terry

so we’d probably lose Josh…and if we plan on that, I bet we could still get a hold of either a SG/SF similar via free agency or via the draft

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 28, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i keep coming back to baron davis

i really honestly think that on a good team again, he’ll be good again. if you look at it closely, barons only really been a good player on good teams. i guess hes a bit of a front runner, but with dirk and kidd here i dont think him not trying will be a problem.

i mean the problem with him wasnt so much diminished physical abilities, he jsut looked like he really didnt care and want to be there.

get kaman and baron for damp and stacks contracts (that works under the cap right?) we win, clips win.

baron and kidd can def play in the same backcourt. 2 big pgs like them, and baron davis would be just the type of player we’ve always needed. ballsy, clutch, tough, and gets to the rim and create shots

by j-ace on May 28, 2009 2:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we can have a backcourt of Kidd AND B-Diddy.

I would definitely take him, but only if we signed and traded Kidd or let him walk or something.

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by Maximilian on May 28, 2009 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can pull a sign-and-trade of Kidd...

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 28, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah there's no way we get Davis

and keep Kidd…I just don’t see it happening. Especially with Barea and Terry still here, and the PG we draft at 22.

If we trade Terry and draft a SG/SF instead of a PG, MAYBE that happens. But I doubt it.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

moneys not a problem. and davis and kidd are both 6-4 and big guys. kidd already guards shooting guards on defense anyway, and other teams would have nightmares trying to defend us if we go small with davis kidd and terry. bareas good, but he really shouldnt be playing more than 20mpg.
your saying we cant have baron davis because we already have jjb? diddys better!

and if we get davis, then we dont HAVE to draft a pg now! we’re only needing to draft a pg cause kidds old and we need soemone to take over right? well there you go! davis can hold it down for the rest of his contract, putting off the need for a pg for another four years.

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently

I was wrong about Bass. We can sign him without dipping into our MLE, UNLESS we re-sign one of Singleton, Green or Hollins for more than $1.1 Million.

So I’m thinking we keep Bass, which is great because if we didn’t we’d have a hole at backup PF, and we re-sign Hollins for $1.1 million, let Singleton and Green walk, and sign-and-trade Kidd to the Cavs for their pick in this year’s draft and a few players that make the deal work; draft our PG at 22, draft a Terrence Williams/Marcus Thornton/Dionte Christmas/Sam Young at 30 and try to sign Ariza with our MLE. Is Josh Childress returning a possibility? He’d be great at SF if Ariza didn’t sign.

If we trade Stack + Damp for Baron + Kaman to finish it off, I’d love the lineup:

PG – Baron, Barea, rookie
SG – Josh Howard, Terry, Wright
SF – Ariza, rookie
PF – Dirk, Bass
C – Kaman, Hollins

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 28, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but why do we have to get rid of kidd?

it could look like this:

g: kidd, barea
g: davis, terry, (rookie?)
sf: howard, ariza
pf: dirk, bass
c: kaman, hollins

and in crunch time, i would like to see teams try and match up with:

g: kidd
g: davis
g: terry
f: howard/ariza/bass
c: dirk.

need stops?
davis
ariza
howard
dirk
hollins

and the thing is, this is absolutely realistic!

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or

we could sign birdman, and have the three center rotation of bird, hollins and kaman
and draft a swingman.

but only if we miss out on ariza. first option would be ariza

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine Baron playing off the ball

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 29, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it could be Nash & NVE take 2?

with Kidd/Terry along with Baron in crunch time lol

by ptrck on May 29, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but those Mavs

usually also had a gun in Michael Finley usually playing the 2.

On the other hand, six years ago, the Mavs collapsed. I won’t say anymore.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 29, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kidd played off the ball this year

when jjb was in sometimes. we can def play 3 pgs. we were already doing it this year

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough about Baron Davis!

Davis has a bad contract. He’s on the books for the next four seasons ($12.1 million, $13 million, $13.9 million, $14.75 million). That aside I hesitate to pick him up coming off a 37% shooting 19-63 season. He’s missed at least 15 games in 6 of 7 seasons. Maybe he does just want to be on a better team, maybe he just wants to be away from the Clippers, but how long until he decides he doesn’t like Dallas? Do you want a guy who doesn’t play or play well because he’s not happy? Kamen would be an upgrade from Damp, but he’s got a $34 million dollar contract stretched out over the next 3 years and has missed over half the Clippers games in the last 2 seasons with injuries.
I say Chandler or even Shaq before Kamen. I like Ariza too. I think LA will look to keep Odem OR Ariza but not both. Either one would be a nice addition to the Mavs. What about Rodrigue Beaudois? He’s not even projected to move until the 2nd round of the draft and this guy looks great. I don’t see us moving up in the draft but I think Beaudois is attainable and seriously underrated in this draft.

by STLmavsfan on May 28, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

another st.louis mavs fan...

I thought i was the only one

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 28, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too...

You are not alone my friend!

by STLmavsfan on May 29, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive converted two myself

so considered your ranks doubled. some good folks in the lou, need to get up there to visit soon.

Charter member of the Dutch bandwagon

by rchawk12 on Jun 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but

thats the type of player we’re looking for. bad contracts but good players, so we can trade for them without giving up much talent in the trade.
the point is to somehow get better, and one of our advantages is we have an agressive owener who will spend.

who cares if he doesnt want to be here a few years from now, we need to win NOW dirk is turning 31. go all in.

what was your solution? trade for chandler draft beaudois and sign ariza?

so we get two defensive role players and draft a french pg and suddenly we’re championship contenders again?

lets take a gamble. if baron davis works out, we could again be one of the top teams in the west.
if it doenst, so what? we werent gonna win a championship anyway.

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

clipper-mavs trade

we just trade kaman for damp, then they can use him and we get a better center.

by tomkanti on May 28, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

I’d do it…but I bet they want out of Baron’s contract. I bet they find a trade partner to do it, too.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 29, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade

we can add another team who wants baron and they can arrange something

by tomkanti on May 29, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Clippers would be getting rid of Kamen because they have to many big guys. Why would they trade for Damp? Are you saying if we got Chandler and Ariza we wouldn’t be better? we wouldn’t be contenders? Seriously? So Baron Davis and his 34% shooting (when he plays) would be better than Chandler and Ariza? No way. Chandler is an offensive threat and not just a deffensive role payer, and Ariza has the ability to put up respectable offensive numbers when he gets the minutes. Not to mention that he is a defensive monster. Beaudois is going to be great in a couple years so drafting him now would be a good move for the future. He could play PG and/or SG off the bench this year and by the time Kidd goes he will be ready to step in. Dude is a great shooter as well. Much better than 34%.

by STLmavsfan on May 29, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Baron may be getting a little older

but he’s what, 29 now? That’s not TOO old. It’s certainly not 36 years old. Baron CAN hit the 3, and is very good at getting to the rim or dishing for the assist. He’s a playmaker and not an offensive liability. Look at his percentages with the Warriors – a much more uptempo team and a better team. Well above 40% shooting. Which isn’t great, but if he’s dishing more than shooting (which he’s shown he can do both), I like him. And he’s not a liability on the defensive end.

If we could get 16 ppg, 4.5 rpg and 8 apg at a 43% shooting clip with 2 steals and 0.5 blocks per game, why wouldn’t you want that???

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on May 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

davis, in a perfect world, can still put up 20 and 8 with 45 shooting.
but, even if he doenst turn out to be that good, and gets us 16 and 7 say, and 43 shooting perhaps, i’ll still take barons skill over arizas ahtleticism and energy. that said, i would still like us to get said athleticism and energy. no reason we couldnt try and get both. not saying that its likely, but im just saying it is definitely possible within the cap and kinda realistic to think it cold be done.

if not baron then who? bosh woud be the next best thing i guess. but i have reservations about a dirk bosh frontcourt which could get overpowerd some nights. also, wouldnt it be more unlikely us getting bosh than baron? torono would prob want someone good back, so wed have to give up howard. the davis move would be a pure salary dump. thats the type of mvoe we want to make. something that adds to our existing core, not simply reshuffling the deck

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...

chandlers “offense” is ‘chris paul throws the ball to me perfectly everytime and i jump and dunk it’
arizas offense is ‘kobe draws in the defense and i get a wide open three’ and ‘steal the ball, run the other way and dunk it’

you talk about davis sucking last year. what about chandler?
and your telling me that if you had to bet your life on it, you would pick some untested teenaged french pg..

dude stop playing fantasy and actually watch basketball. just cause someone puts up stats doesnt mean they’ll make us good.

two years ago this guy was prob one of the top 7 pgs in the league. now hes just some bad contract that noone wants?

say we get ariza and chandler isntead. we will look like this:

kidd, barea
ariza, terry
howard, wright
dirk, bass
chandler, hollins

we still havent fixed our scoring. whos taking pressure off dirk? basically waht we found this year was we need howard AND terry AND dirk to be good to win. ariza cant create shots for himself, let alone others like davis can.
and davis is clutch. he was banging home bigtime threes his last two seasons in golden state. so what if he misses 20 games a year.

what i proposed is we still get ariza, or try to, and get kaman instead of chandler and get davis.
if davis is out for 20 games, you know what our lineup is? basically what you want anyway, with ariza

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes 2 years ago he was one of the better point guards in the league and yes now he is a bad contract that noone wants. Perhaps YOU should watch some basketball. The Clippers tried to get rid of him this year before the deadline. Noone wanted his contract. Even in this off season scenario noone is looking at Davis, people are looking at Kamen and the Clipps are saying if you want Kamen you have to take Davis’s contract with it. Sounds like they are real happy with him there. The guy shot 34% this year! You laugh at me and then say something as ridiculous as “so what if he misses 20 games this year?” That’s a quarter of the season! So your telling me that investing in a large contract that will put us out of the running for free agents in 2010 is a good plan? Your telling me that a 34% shooter is the answer to our offensive issues? Baron Davis is past his prime and is on the decline. Beaubois is not he answer, but he is a good investment in our future. I’ve seen the guy play and he is extremely underrated. As for Ariza he is a knockdown defender, which is something the Mavs need. Bad. As for Chandler, I don’t think he is the answer to everything either, but he is attainable, doesn’t come with a bad contract, and would be an upgrade.

by STLmavsfan on Jun 1, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive already said

baron davis seems to have a history of being a frontrunner; good on good teams, doesnt care when on bad teams. we’ve seen it happen to him before. his team starts doing good, and he gets rejuvenated. hes 29 years old HOW could you be so certain he’s already past his prime? just two years ago, he was one of the best pgs in the league, then last year he was on the friggin CLIPPERS for godssakes. dumbleavy on the sidelines calling idiotic plays every possession, zach randolph chucking up three pointers, etc etc.
and lol btw he shot 37% not 34%. kidd had several seasons in his early thirties where he shot around 37%. meanwhile, baron davis can still get to the rim. he shoots comparable percentages to kidd, goes to the ft line more, and hes clutch and got balls. something we desperately need on this team.
and im saying we can afford to have him miss 20 games cause we’re deep enough and good enough to weather that kind of absence in the reg season and still win 50 games. and then we get him healthy for the playoffs.
his contract is bad. whcih is precisely why thats the type of player we need to target! our biggest advantage is our owner’s willingness to spend. we cant just recycle players, we need to add to our existing core for us to improve.

if what you’re looking for is keeping our streak of 50 win seasons going, then no. baron davis wouldnt be a good move. but hey, if we roll the dice here and it works, if he even plays up to 80% of what he was playing at in gs, we could be back to contendor status. he and dirk are similar ages. we push all our chips into the middle and see what happens. we need to make a big move NOW. while dirk is still in his prime. hey, there are prob other options that we arent considering. but this is a popular one thats floating around, and its my opinion that we should do it.

oh yeah, and btw we’re not really in the running for 2010 anyway. read this: http://dallasbasketball.com/fullArchiveColumn.php?id=1361 its very well done and explains why its not actually possible under the current salary cap rules for us to get in on 2010.

basically my stance is, if you’re after another 3 or 4 seasons of 50 win seasons, then sure. trade for chandler, draft beaudois, whatever. if you want to be a consistent winner then we should def be prudent and add upgrade the role players around our current core.

but as currently constructed, such moves simply will not be enough to contend with the nuggets, lakers, magic, celtics, cavs, etc. we need to add to our core. and i thiink if baron davis can get to just 80% of his GS stats we could be right up there.

by j-ace on Jun 1, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah and

i dont think the correct term is “knockdown” defender. that would be someone like oden who “knocks down” other players and picks up fouls no?

i think you meant “lockdown”

just found it kinda amusing :p

by j-ace on Jun 1, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

bottom line is, our differences are as such:

you want to keep a winner

i want to gamble for a championship.

wouldnt you agree then, that if the goal is to win a championship, you gamble for the home run? esp if the odds are in your favour that it might actually work out? hes only 29, only 2 years removed from the best year of his career (during which i might add, he played all 82 games).

by j-ace on Jun 1, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with gambling, and I would like to make the moves to win a championship, I think our differences lie in our opinion of Baron Davis. I don’t think Baron Davis is going to do what you want him to in this scenario. I agree that taking on bad contracts is something that will be an asset since, yes Cuban can afford it. However, he’s only going to take on a bad contract if its worth it and I don’t think Baron Davis is worth it. I also understand quite well that we are not going to be able to pick up one of the big free agents in 2010, hell most of them are going to stay where they are. My point was that in the feeding frenzy of teams trying to get the ones that do opt out, some good players are going to get moved and I don’t want to be saddled with a bad contract that no one wants now much less next summer. Maybe we can weather him missing 20 games, maybe we still win 50 games. Maybe not. Why pick up a bad contract with that history? I mean there’s gambling and there is throwing money away. You can’t base your opinion on what he did 2 years ago, because he hasn’t done it since. Maybe he can, maybe not. If I went to a job interview and said "oh I got fired from my last job because I sucked at it, but I did really well at the one before that" the would tell me to take a walk. Your as good as your last season, and his was bad. I realize he played for the Clippers, but again I don’t like the attitude of playing well when your winning and playing bad when your not. I just don’t like the guy, and honestly I don’t think he is going to do any better here. By the way lets not turn this into a "who knows more about basketball" discussion. This is a difference of opinion, not knowledge.

by STLmavsfan on Jun 2, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never said

that this was a “who knows more about basketball” discussion, or even implied it.

by j-ace on Jun 2, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically your saying

we recycle the role players around dirk howard and terry.
so what are we changing? dirk howard and terry were our three best last year, and then they will be our three best next year. what are the sweeping changes we’ve made to get past the lakers, nuggets, cavs, celtics et al?
you want to see another 50 win season? yeah fine. your moves would guarantee a better reg season and maybe we win a couple rounds in the playoffs.
but the goal is to win a championship.
say the baron davis trade works out. we could definitely be in the hunt for that. a dirk and davis combo is as talented as any duo in the nba. when was the last time either of them would have played with someone that good? davis certainly hasnt. dirk with nash maybe? but davis is a much better defensive player.

by j-ace on May 29, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last thing the Mavs need right now is an unproven Euro

giving him consistent minutes at PG/SG would be insane until he shows a feel for the NBA. As it seems right now, it’s still all about winning. They need someone from the draft who can step in and do something, and that’s probably a college player.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 29, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a couple of Euro's that I would be interested in drafting,

but only if we drafted them by buying more draft picks. I would like at least one guy who can come in and be effective, like Howard or Marquis Daniels in 04.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I hope we draft a rookie

who can IMMEDIATELY contribute, not rot in the D-League or somewhere in Europe

by ptrck on May 30, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Someone once said the same thing about Tony Parker.

by STLmavsfan on Jun 1, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different situation

and somewhat an exception. The Mavs need to win now, they have an aging team that probably won’t last two years at the level they’re playing right now. The Spurs at the time had a young Tim Duncan nearing his peak to build around for years to come.

If the Mavs want to win, they need a player who can adjust to the NBA nearly right away. I’ll eat humble pie if Beaudois can do that.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jun 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get it

I agree, and I don’t think he will be the answer. I’m just saying that I’m not sure this draft is going to offer someone who can come in and give us what we need right now. I’m simply stating that I believe he would be a good investment in the future of the franchise. This season I think we are going to have to rely on the slim free agent market and our trade pieces for improvement.

by STLmavsfan on Jun 2, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a good trade that sounds familiar.

Sign Kidd for one year and trade him for Devin Harris.The Nets save money for 2010 and we get a good point guard.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on May 30, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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