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I know we were all really pissed off at Orlando for keeping Gortat., but we have to admit that if it was Donnie who had pulled the same move we would have loved it.  So I didn't want to say Otis Smith was some lying jerk who broke some NBA GM unwritten law.  Well, until I saw the quote that many of you have already read by now.

I know Gortat stated that he might not be happy trying to find minutes in Orlando. What are your thoughts on that? Is that something you're going to speak with him?

"Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it. "

 Hey Otis Smith, you're a jerk!

 

Seriously though, that really sucked for Mavs fans.  And while it was highly unlikely Gortat was really going to be the difference between a championship and just another year in the postseason, the best case scenario with Gortat far surpassed anything another attainable free agent could have offered.  It's why I don't expect the Mavs to make another big move involving the MLE this offseason.  Finding a way to use it just because you have it can come back to haunt you.  Instead, I'm just anticipating a small move that includes moving Buckner or Humphries for a somewhat similar bench level player.

 

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Before the Gortat fiasco, Sefko casually dropped this line over at the DMN blog.

 

We also know that Ryan Hollins, Shawne Williams and Gerald Green are likely to move on.

 

Wait, we know that restricted free agent Ryan Hollins is likely to move on?  Really?  That's not worth discussing in a little more detail.   The 24 year old athletic 7 footer who helped turn around a couple of games last year, including in the postseason, isn't worth considering hanging on to?  I can't say for sure, but I bet I speak for most Mavs fans when I say that if newly acquired Nathan Jawai were to make this team over Ryan Hollins I'd be pretty pissed off about it.

 

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I think the Quinton Ross signing is underrated.  It's the type of player Dallas should have been looking to fill their roster with the last few years instead of guys like Greg Buckner, Devean George, and Eddie Jones.  I think Von Wafer, who Mike Fisher made a case for, could also be a step in the right direction -- in terms of valuing actual ability over experience.

 

Speaking of Buckner and George, will one of those two guys ever not be on the Mavs roster?  Hopefully so, since Buckner has a very tradeable partially guaranteed contract.

...with Buckner's contract they [Dallas] can take back up to $5.1 million in salary and the other team can erase it by paying only $1 million this season, instantly saving them $4.1 million off their payroll and salary cap.

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Second round pick Ahamd Nivins has had great start to summer league action and has opened a few eyes.  I'm about to start drinking the kool-aid.  Here are two rookies college stats from last season.

MPGPPGFG%FT%RPGBPGTO
A 39.3 19.2 61.2% 78.7% 11.8 1.8 2.7
B 27.3 15.7 59.3% 60.5% 12.3 1.0 1.3

Player A is Ahmad Nivins, and player B is Spurs highly praised secound pick Dejaun Blair.  And while I'm not trying to say Nivins is should have been regarded as the same level of prospect as Blair, it illustrates that Nivins put up some seriously competitive numbers while he was in school.

It also got me thinking about DeJuan Blair.  People saw an undersized guy who put up crazy rebound numbers in school and started throwing out Paul Millsap comparisons like crazy.  And those comps could turn out to be accurate, but it ignores that Blair is even smaller than Millsap, weighs almost 280 lbs., and has already had two knee surgeries.  In reality, I don't think he's really that much more likely than Ahmad Nivins to be a Millsap level success or to be another player like PJ Tucker who couldn't overcome his lack of size to play the same style that made his so succesfull in college.

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Um...what?
I know we were all really pissed off at Orlando for keeping Gortat., but we have to admit that if it was Donnie who had pulled the same move we would have loved it.

Are people upset about Bass leaving? Would people have been on board with spending the full equivalent of the MLE to keep Bass? Would we have loved that?

I certainly hope not.

by jthig32 on Jul 17, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Some confusion there...

by “same move” I didn’t mean Dallas giving Bass the full MLE, I meant Dallas hypothetically waiting to match an offer sheet and using that window of uncertainty to their advantage.

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by Wes Cox on Jul 17, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well..

Fair enough. Landing Bass was a good move for them. Although I think it’s worth pointing out that the window of uncertainty probably did more to fool Bass’ agent than to fool the Mavs.

by jthig32 on Jul 17, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hollins
Wait, we know that restricted free agent Ryan Hollins is likely to move on? Really? That’s not worth discussing in a little more detail. The 24 year old athletic 7 footer who helped turn around a couple of games last year, including in the postseason, isn’t worth considering hanging on to? I can’t say for sure, but I bet I speak for most Mavs fans when I say that if newly acquired Nathan Jawai were to make this team over Ryan Hollins I’d be pretty pissed off about it.

Donnie said point blank during a radio interview that Hollins was very unlikely to be back because he was looking for more playing time than the Mavs could provide.

Obviously that was while everyone still thought Gortat was going to be a Mav. At that time the statement by Sefko was valid and made perfect sense. And I’m certainly no Sefko defender.

And I never heard any confirmation of us making Hollins a qualifying offer, so I don’t know that you can just assume that Hollins is, in fact, restricted right now.

I do expect him to be back as of right now.

by jthig32 on Jul 17, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Thank for pointing that out

I hadn’t actually heard that quote, so Sefko’s comment makes a lot more sense. It just struck me as odd when I read it that he would say so matter-of-factly without feeling the need to expand on it. I guess that was probably why.

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by Wes Cox on Jul 17, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nathan Jawai

could become like Hollins, but since he’s leaving… that Bobcats trade sucks since were now stuck with benchwarmer Carroll instead of some who could play (but overpaid) Diop.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 17, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but he warms one hell of a bench. also, jawai looks like he lumbers a lot. he doesn't seem nearly as agile or athletic as hollins, but that's just my opinion.

I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.

by buckets on Jul 17, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jawai could also be a bust

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 17, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

A bust?

Wouldn’t you have to actually expect something first?

by brettgardner on Jul 18, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

look at his salary and this team’s centers

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 18, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thant tne mavs can expect

no production from him, he will be another Matt Carroll or Shawne Williams.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 18, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so confused.

You seem to be completely contradicting yourself, but now you seem to agree with me, so…OK.

by brettgardner on Jul 18, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

No im not

Im saying Jawai could be a bust like Williams or Carroll.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 18, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

How's that?

We actually gave something up for Williams, so nothing from him was disappointing. We swapped shitty players with Charlotte, so Carroll isn’t that disappointing.

We gave up nothing for Jawai—he’s roster filler throw-in. He can’t be a “bust” because it’d be a shocker if he even made the roster.

by brettgardner on Jul 18, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diop is better than Carroll

but overpaid. Jawai is a filler: meaning that he’s added just so the trade could happen, in other words: A Bust

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i do know what bust means

and are you tracking my comments?!?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 18, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tracking your comments?

I don’t even know what the means. Anyway:

At the very least, you’re unfamiliar with what “bust” connotes: a high-dollar and/or high expectation player who fails.

A shitty player of whom nothing is expected is not a bust. He’s just fulfilling expectations.

This is such a dumb argument that I can’t believe it’s gone this far.

by brettgardner on Jul 18, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey man

you’re the one who questioned my comment…

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 18, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But I’m right and you’re wrong, so therein lies the confusion.

by brettgardner on Jul 18, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just cause you say you're right doesn't mean that you are

let me rephrase what you cant understand brettgardner…“Nathan Jawai will have the qualites of a bust.” Now you should be able to understand why I called Jawai a bust.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 19, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

You’re still wrong, and it’s so frustrating that you can’t understand that.

by brettgardner on Jul 19, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're word isn't conving

let other people on Mavs moneyball say that im wrong, not just you

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

i meant convinving

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 19, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

He already said what bust means and he is right.

“At the very least, you’re unfamiliar with what "bust" connotes: a high-dollar and/or high expectation player who fails.”

If you thought that bust meant that a guy sucked, then you are right to say that the guys sucks, but the fact is bust means a player didn’t fill expectations (Darko). You should have said a long time ago. “I had the wrong idea of what bust meant, my bad.”

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by srdmad on Jul 19, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Just an FYI for tomkanti:

This is an NFL example, but Ryan Leaf is the epitome of “bust”.

You used it wrong, man. Accept that Brett is, in fact, right.

by Damnsammit on Jul 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

Brett is right

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 21, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let the kid be, will ya?

Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.

by chrisR on Jul 20, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

fuck otis smith.

I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.

by buckets on Jul 17, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

also the title says thoughs. lol.

I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.

by buckets on Jul 17, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that Otis Smith quote

right about the time I started getting REALLY pissed off about it, and it was more of my reason for hating Otis now than the actual move.

I’d really like to know what was said behind closed doors and on the phone between Donnie and Otis, etc.

If we roll into next year without Hollins, and with Damp and Jawai (ignorant as I am about Jawai), I’d be pretty pissed. ONLY way I can stomach letting him walk is if we make a move for Kaman, Chanlder or Camby.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm warming up again to the idea of getting Kaman

He’s not exactly renowned for his defense but at least he’s a legit athletic big guy who scores, rebounds, tries to block shots, and MOST importantly, younger and has quick feet. I’d be OK with having Damp but he HAS to come off the bench. We simply need a better player at his position.

by ptrck on Jul 17, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, he rushes his shot sometimes

see….

The Charles Barkley 2009/10 Ancestors Count: 0 Grandmothers , 0 Mother

"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "

"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"

"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.

"I just fell on my face for no reason," Bryant deadpanned. "I'm a klutz."

"Fucking right i'm preachin' it!" Carlisle replied.

"Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it." Smith chuckled.

by DOH on Jul 17, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think having Marion

is going to make Damp look a little better both offensively and defensively…but I could be proven wrong

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kaman?

What about Dalembert? Stein was eluding to the possibility of him being available to Dallas for the Buckshot, JJB, & a scrub. If you could pick up a Von Wafer or C.J. Watson type player in FA to replace JJB, wouldn’t Sammy be alot more attractive to this team than the redneck caveman?

by newkidd07 on Jul 17, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since both Kaman and Dirk are German, maybe they can relate

and make good chemistry there.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 17, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

there?

The Charles Barkley 2009/10 Ancestors Count: 0 Grandmothers , 0 Mother

"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "

"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"

"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.

"I just fell on my face for no reason," Bryant deadpanned. "I'm a klutz."

"Fucking right i'm preachin' it!" Carlisle replied.

"Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it." Smith chuckled.

by DOH on Jul 17, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't believe Sefko

We also know that Ryan Hollins, Shawne Williams and Gerald Green are likely to move on.

Same guy who said that the Magic won’t match Gortat. Ugh.

by ptrck on Jul 17, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Again.

Donnie himself said plain as day on the radio that Hollins was very unlikely to be back.

But that was before the Magic offered Gortat, so Hollins coming back seems much more likely now.

by jthig32 on Jul 17, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't we still got Shawne Williams

under contract? Has he ever played a game as a Maverick?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 17, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he did. i remember getting excited when i saw him come into a game once. ahhh memories.

I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.

by buckets on Jul 17, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I remember when he finally made a three after completely bricking his first billion.

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by Wes Cox on Jul 17, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha!!! Memories!

Anyone remember Shawn Bradley? He loves(and was decent) at that midrange shot from the left baseline, but when he backup un and shot a left corner three it would miss horribly? LOL Airlabbsm COMPLETE bricks, hitting only backboard(from the corner) haha

When he finally made a 3 he would get so excited. haha

~Karim "The Dream" Odeh

by KarimTheDream on Jul 19, 2009 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

he looked so awkward out there

nothing like the athletic freak I thought he was…

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

athleticism seems to die here.

I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.

by buckets on Jul 17, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im A Magic Fan

But I have no idea what kind of context the Otis quote was in, it totally sounds like a jerk thing to say, but im assuming it was said with a taste of sarcasm in it or something else. That kind of stuff gets lost in plain text.

by Kennedy K on Jul 17, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

It IS sarcastic

That’s the point. It’s coming through loud and clear.

by brettgardner on Jul 18, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get real!

We are talking about MEN. They are professional athletes making MILIONS. What Otis said reflects this. They question Otis about Gortat’s feelings and Otis is supposed to baby him? The guy just made 30+ million dollars. Wow I wish I had it so tough.

by O-Town MagiCane on Jul 22, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

nothing to see here

move along

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

$30 million is a HARSH LIFE!!!!

Some people swear they down as can be
Turns out those same Homies Sit down to pee

by I blocked Patrick Chewing on Jul 23, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd say Otis was too direct about it.

Obviously everyone, including Gortat realizes he’s getting paid 30mil. If Otis put off a veiled comment basically saying the same thing, nobody here would perceive him as a jerk.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 23, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man this blog is bad. Yahoo! Sports, ESPN, Dallas Morning News reports way before here that Gooden is signing with the Mavs. Not a bad addition

by Why on Jul 26, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Because you'd really do a better job, right?

Not being overly defensive of Wes, but I don’t actually see too much of a discrepancy between when the news was broken here and when it was in major news sources.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 27, 2009 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s not whether I would do a better job because it’s not my job. Tim Thomas’s signing isn’t posted here officially either. I would be able to criticize a doctor that performed his job poorly, doesn’t mean I think I could do it better. If it’s your job, it would be your responsibility to perform.

by Why on Jul 29, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

honestly i have to agree with “why” i follow alot of yahoo team pages and this is by far the least updated one as far as threads made and what not… but whatever i guess this page is just run by users and not actually editors. hows that for a random thought!

by whitemike1644 on Jul 29, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Check out the Blog motto

aaight!

The Charles Barkley 2009/10 Ancestors Count: 0 Grandmothers , 0 Mother

"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "

"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him?"

"Give them some fucking credit, i mean for real." Jackson said.

"I just fell on my face for no reason," Bryant deadpanned. "I'm a klutz."

"Fucking right i'm preachin' it!" Carlisle replied.

"Rough life, isn't it. It's tough all over, isn't it." Smith chuckled.

by DOH on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Wes or Jake---------

Would it be possible to remove Otis Smith’s picture from the front page? It’s awful to see that stupid grin on his face each time I visit MM.

by horns129 on Aug 3, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Get new managers and editors…

by Why on Aug 7, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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