Let's Give Donnie and Cuban a Little Credit Here...
There seems to be a lot of distress and handwringing over the moves (or lack thereof) that the Mavs have made in the off-season so far, and I'm not quite sure why...
Complaining about being a Mavericks fan right now is a little like complaining about being an American. The grass is pretty damn green over here, compared to how bad it could be. Moving along...
I might be the only one, but I think the Mavericks are doing exactly what they needed to do. I find it little silly when I hear people say "they didn't get anything in the draft", when you consider where they were drafting from. If any of you thought that Ricky Rubio was going to drop to the 22nd pick, much less the 24th, then I want some of what you're smoking. Dallas did the only thing they really could do picking from that spot, grabbed a couple of extra second rounders, and picked up a long-term project at a position where they needed desperately to get younger and more athletic.
As for the Gortat acquisition (assuming that it goes through, knock on wood), I think he's an absolute steal, and he was the guy that I wanted from the beginning. When you look at his size (a legit center, not a old power forward who's lost a step like Rasheed Wallace), his youth (he's actually younger than Tyson Chandler), the way he hustles (anyone who watched Orlando in the playoffs knows what I'm talking about), and the numbers that he put up (in albeit limited minutes), he comes off to me as a guy who's ready to take the next step in his career. Besides, his nickname is the freaking Polish Hammer, and on a team in dire need of some bone crunching toughness, I'll take that any day.
(Just imagine the first time Mark Followell puts on his Christian Bale Batman voice and screams: "THE POLISH HAMMER "HAMMERS" ONE HOME!!!)
These are The Hammer's numbers per thirty-six minutes, via Basketball-Reference.com, and how they compare to other centers that were on Mavs fans wishlists.
Gortat: 10.9ppg, 13.0rpg, 2.4 bpg
Tyson Chandler: 9.9ppg, 9.9rpg, 1.4 bpg
Nene: 16.1 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.4 bpg
Emeka Okafor: 14.5ppg, 11.1 rpg, 1.8bpg
Marcus Camby: 12.0 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 2.5 bpg
Again, keep in mind that of all those guys, Gortat is not only the youngest, but the cheapest. All things being equal, I'd say that the Mavericks did a pretty good job of grabbing a guy who could do exactly what they needed, wouldn't cost them any of their major trading chips, and could potentially hold down that spot for years to come.
The next move, of course, is to find a new shooting guard. That's where we're really going to find out what Cuban and Donnie are made of. To me, they don't really need to shoot for the moon here. They just need to find someone who can play a little defense and create their own shot when Jason Terry is struggling. Rip Hamilton's name is getting thrown around a lot, and he would be a very good fit, but personally I'd rather see them make a run at Rudy Fernandez , who supposedly wants out of Portland, and is basically a Manu Ginobilli starter kit.
Another name that keeps floating around in my head is Tracy McGrady. It seems fairly unlikely that Houston would trade him to a hated division rival, but with Artest gone and Yao's career potentially over, the Rockets might be stuck in a corner and simply have to cut bait and endure a rebuilding year. T-Mac's prescence might be more trouble than he's worth, given how badly the fans there have turned against him, and the Stack/Damp deal that people are so fond of talking about around here would actually make a lot of sense for them. T-Mac is a free agent after this year and probably wouldn't be coming back anyway, so they could still be in the position to be players in the 2010 free-agent class while grabbing a center (which they need) who can double as future trade bait of their own.
A starting five of Dirk, Howard, Gortat, McGrady, and Kidd, with JET and company coming off the bench, might not be enough to beat the Lakers (honestly, with Artest having signed up, the only thing that could really stop them is hubris and/or Kobe/Ron-Ron drama), but it would put them right up there with Denver and San Antonio.
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Great Post
I definitely agree with a lot of your points regarding the pessimism that surrounds this team. Now it should be interesting to see what Cuban can do with the expiring contracts of Dampier and Stack. If he can score big, this team would be in good position in my opinion.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I think the Mavs
didn’t have too many choices at their drafting position (even 22 would’ve been the same, and they made the right move as it turned out, since that crappy second-rounder was a throw-in for Calathes).
Pretty much all feasible targets for them were gone by 22 even. Versatile skill-set SFs such as Clark (wasn’t going to drop anyway, unfortunately), James Johnson and Austin Daye were gone. Possible higher-ranked PGs like Teague and Maynor were gone. Collison was gone. Lawson was gone. Sure, they passed on DeJuan Blair but there’s obviously a plausible reason for that. I would’ve liked them to draft Wayne Ellington at 24, but again, maybe they needed athleticism. I would’ve liked Toney Douglas, but I guess if they liked Beaubois better for upside, not a terrible decision. Sam Young could’ve been an option, but again, it’s not a clanger to pass on him there. Then they went and picked up Calathes who’ll be on watchlists, and got a possible hustle rotation guy in Nivins (providing summer league and preseason showings), and that’s a pretty decent result for what they had to start off.
It’s a shame they didn’t go after Christmas (in my mind) for a summer league tryout. Maybe they did, and he picked the Sixers since, well, he went to Temple. I wonder if Curtis Jerrells could be a possible option as an undrafted summer league invitee, they need all the PG options they can get.
I think people are getting pissed because other teams have made moves and the Mavs haven’t, or at least not yet. I like the Gortat signing and right now, I’m confident enough that they can sign Kidd. I want to see how they work a Damp and/or Stack deal.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
I honestly don't see any way Kidd doesn't come back...
The idea that he is going to go to the Knicks for a fraction of the money he could make here, on the incredibly unlikely chance that LeBron James would leave his hometown team (a team that was in the Finals two years ago, won 66 games this year, and just got Shaq) to start all over again in New York is just plain silly.
Don’t even get me started about the NY Times article that claimed he would be a bad human being if he stayed in Dallas.
Sure he’s taking his time to decide. Who doesn’t want to be fawned over a little bit? But I’d be shocked if he doesn’t come back, and fairly surprised if we don’t get confirmation sometime this week.
As for the deals that other teams have made, aside from the Richard Jefferson deal (which was a brilliant for SA, and more power to them), I honestly don’t see anything that should bother Mavs fans much. Shaq in Cleveland should make for interesting TV, but he’s not really Shaq anymore. Dallas dropping 140 points on the Suns and knocking them out of the playoff race late last year should have proved that to anyone who wasn’t sure yet.
(By the way, Shaq’s numbers in that game? 14 points and 7 rebounds in 27 minutes. Brandon Bass’ numbers in the same game? 14 points and 6 rebounds in 27 minutes. When the Big Diesel is getting canceled out by the third guy off the bench, he’s not a team changer anymore.)
I wouldn’t pay $56 million to Hedo Turkoglu, even if Dallas had it under the cap to spend. He’s a nice player, but he was only the third leading scorer on his own team, shot a fairly abysmal percentage (.416 for the season), and those drives to the basket everyone was so impressed by during the Finals are going to be a lot harder to come by without Dwight Howard carrying three defenders around in his back pocket everywhere he goes.
I had a friend telling me last night how he wished that Dallas would have gotten Ben Gordon, but when I pointed out that Gordon and JET are virtually indistinguishable in size, playing style, and stats (not to mention lack of defense), his only response was to say that BG is younger.
That might be true, but it ain’t worth sixty million dollars. It certainly isn’t worth $60,000,000.00 and all of our tradeable assets, which it what it would have cost to get him here.
Dallas doesn’t need another undersized guard. Not with JET and JJB already getting decent minutes. Anyone they get needs to be in the 6-5 to 6-7 range, to give them more flexibility in mixing and matching lineups.
I’ve moved off my short-lived T-Mac infatuation, after learning just how badly his knee is hurt, and have since fallen in love with Joe Johnson, who is one of the unheralded members of the 2010 FA class, and who the Hawks might need to move before Houston or New York steals him away for nothing next year. If Donnie can work that, I might forgive him for not drafting Marc Gasol back in ’07.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
I'm glad you pulled back off of the Damp + Stack for T-Mac idea
because if Tracy’s not fully healthy, there’s no reason to give up those assets. We need to make one home run deal for those two together or two risk/reward moves, both for SG/SF help.
My dream scenario now is to trade for the rights to Josh Childress and extend him, or try to pry Josh Smith (unlikely) or Marvin Williams (unlikely) from the Hawks. Although I’ve heard a lot of rumors that both of those players may be on the way out, so who knows? Hell, Joe Johnson would be a DREAM acquisition. I just don’t know how feasible these claims are about a team that had such a long playoff drought and finally made it back, to give up their key pieces. SO I think Childress, the guy the didn’t have as a part of that run last year, is most likely.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
Childress would probably be easy to pry loose...
Seeing as how the fans there hate him, and Marvin has his spot at SF. But trading JJ might not be as hard a sell to Atlanta as you think. Atlanta put together a nice season last year, but it’s hard to imagine them vaulting past Orlando, Boston, or Cleveland any time soon (they were the 4th seed in the East, but they wouldn’t have even made the playoffs in the West), so Joe might be getting itchy feet, giving them a reason to listen to offers. He’s from this neck of the woods (Little Rock), and if he came here in a trade, he could get more in an extension from Cuban than he would even in a max FA deal in ’10.
I think the trick for Dallas would be bringing in a third team and working it so Atlanta gets a player out of the deal, not just cap room. Frankly, there’s not much they would be able to do with it anyway. It’s not like the line to join the Hawks is terribly long.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
Is Joe Johnson
the most underrated superstar in that entire 2010 class? There’s been some talk here for a while about Joe Johnson being a possible 2010 option, and obviously he’s a brilliant choice as an All-Star SG who can create his own shot off the dribble.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Agreed...
Part of the thing with him is that he’s in Atlanta, which is as far out of sight and out of mind as you can get in the NBA without being the Thunder. Another is that he’s just so damn quiet (his nickname is the Silent Assassin). Even when that team gets a national game, it’s usually Josh Smith or Mike Bibby shoving their way into the spotlight, with Joe just doing his job and usually getting taken for granted.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions
And like it fell from the Heavens...
I find this little tidbit on dallasbasketball.com.
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1794
David Lord explains how Utah might be in the market for a deal that would unload Carlos Boozer and allow them to cut salary to sign Paul Millsapp. Stack to Utah, Boozer to Atlanta, and Joe to Dallas could fit right in with what I was saying previously about finding the Hawks a player. Hell, Josh Smith and Boozer on the front line together might actually be better for ATL than the mix they have now.
And if I read this correctly, Dallas would still have Damp’s contract to deal with.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
That's the kind of thinking I like.
Don’t know if Atlanta would give up Johnson to get Boozer. The Bucks might trade Redd if they got Boozer in return. Boozer and Bogut inside sounds great.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
Atlanta is not trading Joe Johnson. Least of all for a 1 yr rental who is injury prone. you’d have an easier time sending Boozer for Stackhouse & cap filler straight up.
by homer simpson on Jul 6, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably so...
But I don’t really want him, and Dallas doesn’t have anywhere to play him. They already have a PF who’s twenty times better, and they just signed a center. I said several times that any deal with Johnson would be predicated on the idea that Atlanta would rather get “something” for him, rather than see him walk in 2010, and Dallas makes a lot of sense for him.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Who wants Redd?
I’d rather have Rip Hamilton if it came down to that (better defender, more proven playoff performer, and played more than a third of the season last year), and I’m not particularly thrilled about him.
Atalnta probably wouldn’t want to give up JJ for Boozer. But they certainly don’t want him to walk as a free agent next year for nothing, which is very possible.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
Why Redd??? Age...
Redd is a better shooter than Rip, and he’s two years younger. Team USA added Redd to the Olympic roster for a very good reason.
Boozer probably wouldn't stay in Atlanta if he got traded there.
So from Atlanta would be trading one year of Johnson for one year of Boozer. Milwaukee would be trading one year of Redd for one year of Boozer. Milwaukee would make the trade, because they got no one to replace Charlie V, while they can at least put Charlie Bell at SG to replace Redd.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
You say that like Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson were't already traded for sacks of dirty landury and autographed Pog flippers...
The deals are out there to be made for cap relief, which Dallas has in spades.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Boozer, Redd, and Johnson all have one year left.
No one is getting salary relief from these trades. It’s just a simple swap of one year rentals.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
Why do people around here want Prince instead of Howard?
They’re nearly identical players (though Josh is a little better offensively, and Prince is a little better defensively), but Dallas fans like Tayshaun because he hasn’t missed a game in six years.
Michael Redd played in only 33 games last season, and has averaged only 53 over the last three, with his scoring average going down each year. Rip (who could probably be had with the Boozer deal fairly easily, since the salaries match up better than with JJ and the Pistons supposedly wanted Boozer as a FA before he opted in), has averaged 71 games, and been a steady performer in the 18-19 point range.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
Redd will probably opt out after this year,
so we would have money for 2010. Trading for Rip gives us less money for 2010. Are you seriously asking why someone would take Prince over Howard? They are identical players, but Prince is a better form of Howard. He is better on defense and can actually score in the 4th quarter.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
Let's use the reply button.
I did the same thing when I started on here too.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
Wow...
You must have pulled a muscle jumping to that conclusion. My point was that Rip is a better fit than Redd because he’s healthier, the same argument that people use in the discussion between Howard and Prince. As for 2010, I’ve said it in multiple threads already, but the only way Dallas would have money for a max offer next year is if Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard leave.
They will not be players in free agency next year, unless they blast the team back to the 90s. So their best bet is to find a strong shooting guard now, when everyone else is still chasing that pipe dream.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirk doesn't have to leave if he takes a paycut.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/122308dnspodirksalary.73fb020.html
I would rather take my chances with Redd this year and take my chances in 2010. Unless I’m getting someone like Vince Carter, I don’t want many contracts past next season.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
hmm
They will not be players in free agency next year,
You can be a player in FA without having cap room. See the db.com article about Damp and the sign and trade possibilities.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 11, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I wrote that before I knew that Damp's contract was non-guaranteed in the last season...
I was assuming he was simply expiring, which meant he would be traded this year. Now I’m almost certain that Dallas will bring in a huge name next season.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 12, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions

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