Jason Kidd has given the Dallas Mavericks a verbal commitment that he will re-sign with the team...

Jason Kidd has given the Dallas Mavericks a verbal commitment that he will re-sign with the team Wednesday, according to NBA front-office sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Kidd, 36, will receive a 3-year, fully-guaranteed contract worth in excess of $25 million.

Sources: Jason Kidd pledges to re-sign with the Dallas Mavericks - ESPN

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Phew

This team needs Kidd in order to contend next year. He’s not a primo point guard anymore, but he’s the best option available.
What’s next after Gortat? A trade for a star SG (Hamilton/Gerald Wallace)?

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by Conjunction on Jul 5, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i like hamilton, but not wallace. he's howard but hurtier.

I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.

by buckets on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you're willing to take on money

Then Dallas can trade Dampier and Stackhouse for Hamilton and Prince, effectively killing Dallas’ 2010 space. Conversely, it would fill a huge hole at two guard, and provide a defensive stopper in Prince against all the quality wings in the West, but it probably doesn’t put Dallas over the top.

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by Ben R on Jul 6, 2009 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dallas never had any 2010 space to begin with...

Not without dismantling the team any way. The only way Dallas could be players in 2010 would be to let Dirk and Josh go (that means renouncing their Bird rights completely). If they did that, they might as well stick a gun in their own mouths.

Dallas is looking to make deals now. They got their center and their PG, now they want to start flipping contracts for a new 2 guard, and if they’re lucky, snag a FA or two that have found themselves out in the cold in a buyer’s market for dirt cheap.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats a pretty good team though

if they did take on Prince and Hamilton Detroit would have to get more than just Stack and Damp….Howard would have to be included than then the money wouldnt work….so maybe Damp and Howard for Hamilton and Prince and then you still have the Stackhouse contract with that you get a good back up PF or maybe even Tyson Chanlder or maybe even do a sign and trade with Portland for Channing Frye who is a nice young player coming off the bench for Dirk…

All warfare is based on deception.

by aaronp on Jul 6, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

What could Frye possibly give them that Bass can't?

Other than height? He made triple the money Bass did last year, for half the production. And people here need to get over this infatuation with Tayshaun Prince. Detroit didn’t just spend a hundred million dollars on free agents so they could trade off Prince, they did it because they want to pair him with Villanueva for the next five years.

Rip is probably getable, with the right deal, but the Pistons would make Dallas pay through the nose for TP, who’s not actually a better player than Howard.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

rumor is Bass is walking

if i am wrong than sure keep Bass but if Bass walks you need to try to fill the void with something….Channing Frye seems like a good fit,,,so does Tyson Chandler …I dont really have an infatuation with Prince…but if your going to trade with detroit there is no way in hell they are going to do Prince and Hamilton for Damp and Stack as Ben R stated and I was replying too…If you want to try for Prince you have to include Howard…the deal would have to be Howard and Damp…and then you can use Stack for something else. Prince and Howard are basically the same player Prince probably has better off the court character though.

All warfare is based on deception.

by aaronp on Jul 6, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't read that yet, but my point...

Is that any sign and trade seems like too much trouble for a player who’s performance has dropped every year in the league. Bass might stay, he might not. Frankly, I’m not convinced I want him to, since if he doesn’t, then Singleton (who’s a better rebounder and can play multiple positions) gets his minutes. Chandler costs too much, particularly with Gortat coming in and Hollins being able to so similar things, at a tiny fraction of the price.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Singleton and Nivins

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we can sign Singleton for the same price last year, about 800K.

and he does the same thing as Bass, except shoot less.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 6, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't say that

Singleton’s not that good of a shooter – Bass was freakin’ automatic from about 10 to 12 feet out. And a superb free throw shooter.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats why i said he shoots less

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 6, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I stand corrected

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He can shoot FTs...

But he’s not automatic by a long shot. Remember we’re talking about a guy who’s never broken 50% from the field in his career. Singleton hit a similar percentage from the line, averaged more rebounds in fewer minutes, and shot 54% from the field, mostly because he’s better at driving to the hoop.

Honestly, tell me you didn’t want to punch yourself in the face every time BB got the ball five steps from the hoop, killed his dribble, and then put up a fade away over a taller player that rimmed out.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's pretty much what Devin Harris would have cost to keep him :)

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Keeping Devin was never a question of money...

He had already been signed to a five year deal. Dallas traded Devin because they decided that, for better or worse, he wasn’t the guy to help the Mavs win a championship.

I think that sometimes in the rush to judge the Kidd trade, people forget that Devin was one of the guys who got destroyed by D-Wade in the Finals, and that he started every game of the ’07 series against Golden State, coming up extremely short when the team needed him.

Let me put it another way. Five years from now, Devin will still be in the league, and J-Kidd will be on someones pre-game show, analyzing games. But for the next couple of seasons, Kidd’s team will make the playoffs and Devin’s won’t. Depending on how smart Cuban and Donnie are, Kidd’s team might even be contending for a championship, but no matter how smart the New Jersey GM is, Devin’s won’t.

So who really won the trade?

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

New Jersey, by a mile with all the assets they got

Devin is the better player already

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If that's what you really believe, I'm not going to argue...

But there’s a decent chance that Dallas will win more games next year than NJ wins in the next two.

Napoleon “won” when he invaded Russia, but the walk home was a bitch.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

If Dallas wins the championship with J-Kidd

then I would say the trade’s worth what we had to give up.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 6, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a bit like saying...

“If the sun doesn’t explode, tomorrow’s going to be a pretty good day.”

Obviously if Dallas wins a title, the Kidd deal is going to look like genius, but that wasn’t really my point. I’m just saying that ESPN and various writers have hammered the idea that Dallas got “fleeced” so many times that no one really argues the point anymore, never mind the fact that NJ is going to spend the next several years staring at ping pong balls and hoping that their next number one pick works out better than Kenyon Martin.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Napoleon didn't win in Russia.

That foray was the equivalent of losing in the conference finals.

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by Conjunction on Jul 6, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could argue the historical point...

But you gotta admit, it’s a hell of a metaphor. ;)

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In Dallas a young Harris led the team into the finals surrounded by good players

Kidd led the team to a bad first round exit (like Devin against Golden State) and a decent exit in the second round. We also paid for Kidd by buying back Diop with the full MLE which was the next mistake, now converted into Matt Carroll sitting on the bench for a little less money until 2013. Plus NJ got two first round draft picks, one of which is yet to come and could be higher if the Mavs stink next season. Devean George still sits on the bench. Cuban had to pay a lot of extra money to push the deal through with Van Horn. The steal of the trade looked to be Antoine Wright, until we had to find out that he was a rather inconsistent starter on SG and screwed up in big moments.

All in all, I still hate the trade considering what the Mavs had to give up. But I give you that it would have been even worse if Kidd left now to NY and we had paid with all those assets for an 18 months lease on Kidd, so I’m not against overpaying a bit now to get him back considering the limited free agent options on the PG market with Sessions and Felton likely the best ones.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Devin did not in any way "lead" that team to the Finals...

Anymore than JJB “led” tham to a win over the Spurs a couple of months ago. Dirk put up 28 points and 12 rebounds a game during the road to the Finals. That’s what got them there. Devin had a couple of nice games against San Antonio, but otherwise came up pretty small against Phoenix and Miami, not to mention Golden State. Between the two of them, J-Kidd is the only one who has ever led a team anywhere.

The rest of your list is meaningless. Diop was a mistake, but one that very well could have been made the same way even if he had never been traded away. He was a free agent and had done just enough to trick someone into paying for him in a far stronger players market than this one. To the Mavs credit, they recognized it pretty quickly, and flipped him, not for Carroll, but for Hollins, who has a brighter future.

I’m honestly not sure why you care one way or another about KVH or George, much less how Mark Cuban spends his money, but as for those draft picks, NJ used the first one on Ryan Anderson, who the Nets just traded, along with Vince Carter, to get Cortney Lee… the guy who was taken one pick later in the same draft. The 2010 pick only becomes valuable if Dallas does something they haven’t done in nearly a decade and has a bad season. Most likely it’ll be a pick in the 20s, the same kind of pick that people around here apparently think is worthless (based on their reactions to the Mavs draft this year).

So “all the assets” (your words) that New Jersey got really amounts to Devin, who isn’t even a top five player at his own position, and a late first rounder next year.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I care about the wasted assets because the Mavs could have made something with them in other trades or acquisitions. Just imagine what Van Horn’s contract alone could have netted them. Instead they wasted additional assets by bringing George and especially Diop (full MLE) back.

Devin is a very coveted player on his position, e.g. my Blazers would give up three good players who are all much younger than Kidd to get him but no chance he gets moved. Kidd hasn’t been a top five player on his position for 5 years.

Unless the Mavs win a title with Kidd, that trade was a waste. The Mavs would have at least reached the playoffs every year with Harris easily. Not to speak of other players they could have acquired with the picks and those other players in the package.

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 7, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You really think Portland would break up the Brandon Roy-Steve Blake-Rudy Fernandez backcourt for Devin Harris?

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 7, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The last two yes

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 7, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OT, but where the hell is our summer league roster?

We play on Saturday already, I can’t wait :)

Yay, Roger!

by Marie on Jul 6, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

is it this Saturday already? wow

Can’t wait to see Roddy B, that’s for sure.

by ptrck on Jul 6, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, though the Orlando summer league starts today

Mo Ager is on the Magic’s squad…

Yay, Roger!

by Marie on Jul 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

are they open to us? at SMU, or where?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vegas :)

And I think we usually take part in the Utah one, as well.

Yay, Roger!

by Marie on Jul 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There is none in Utah this year, it was cancelled

Only Orlando and a very crowded Vegas summer league

If you want to trade our spare parts for Devin Harris, I have three quarters I would like to trade for your dollar

by Norsktroll on Jul 6, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't know that was cancelled, thanks

The Orlando one is going on already.

Yay, Roger!

by Marie on Jul 6, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mavs first summer league game is

Friday night although I haven’t found a tv schedule for it yet. Usually they show those game on NBA tv or HD tv or UPN 21 out of Dallas. I’ll keep looking!

by Cynthia56 on Jul 6, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

aren't the games on nba.com?

also, what do people think about my signature?

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 6, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's really really old

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jul 6, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty interesting

Players we’ll have going into 2010/2011:
Kidd for 2 more years at approx. $8 mil per year
Jet for 2 more years at approx. $11 mil
Howard for 1 more year at approx. $11.9 mil
Dirk for 1 more year at approx. $21.5 mi
Gortat for 4 years at approx. $6 mil
Dampier for 1 more year at approx. $13 mil
Barea for 1 more year at approx. $1.8 mil
Carroll for 3 more years at approx. $4 mil ($4.3 mil in 2010/2011)
Shawne Williams for 1 more year at approx. $3.4 mil

I imagine we trade Damp and either Carroll or Shawne Williams before this is all done, and probably Terry, too. That leaves us with a starting PG, SF, PF and C plus a backup PG and SG in addition to the rookies we keep from this year’s draft and any free agents we pick up for 2010/2011. Total salaries at that point would be approximately $52.8 mil without the fillers. Assuming the 2010/2011 cap will be set at around $61 mil, and that the “filler” salaries would be at most $6 mil, we would have $2 mil to spend in 2010/2011.

So one more player’s got to go before we can make a splash in the big free agency class. My target with this roster would have to be a SG that can get to the hoop any time: Dwyane Wade. But I’m pretty sure we won’t end up with Wade, and if we wanted to, I think we’d have to shed Howard’s contract before the end of this next year in addition to Jet and Damp’s. Another thought: I could be far off from my 2010/2011 payroll view, as Kidd’s could be declining or inclining, and so could Gortat’s.

I honestly think we’re looking more and more at a situation where we’re going to have to work a sign-and-trade to get that SG or whatever “free agent” splash we want to make for 2010/2011, and I think that could happen this year. And no, I don’t consider getting Rip or Prince or both to be the big splash.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You forgot Stackhouse

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Jul 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stackhouse has an option for 2009/2010

but not 2010/2011.

For the purpose of trade bait though, yes, Stackhouse, Dampier and Terry are the big trade pieces we have to go make a move this offseason or during the season.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There will be no major free agent signing by the Mavs in 2010...

Unless Dirk walks, in which case Wade wouldn’t want to come here anyway. One thing to remember about that list is that Damp’s contract is non-guaranteed in it’s final year (unless he does something silly like make the All-Star team), so it’s an extraordinary valuable as a trading asset, likely more so that the actual money they would save by letting it expire.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

who do you think are the likely targets with the Dampier and Stackhouse expiring contracts?

I’d take any Hawk right now: the rights to Childress; Josh Smith; Marvin Williams; Joe Johnson. Not too sure any of them could be had, but I’ve heard rumors regarding each. Stephen Jackson or Maggette? Francisco Garcia? Rodney Carney? Luol Deng?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 6, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm hoping for Joe Johnson...

I honestly think Childress is available for a song, but no one has been willing to take the chance that he won’t stay in Europe.

I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo

by Big D Bam Bam on Jul 6, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think 3 years is a year too long for a 36 year old.

If Kidd can’t guard Paul, Parker, etc. now. How will he look when he’s 37, 38, 39?

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Jul 6, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

I think we have to keep him since we dont have another option…but 3 yrs might be too long. Im still not sure that there is a player on this team that can stop a fast break. Everyone is hot on the RIP or Prince trades, but I’m not sure the Mavs don’t need to take a chance and find a young, raw talent that can run and hopefully develop into a Ariza.

by bbob on Jul 6, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs