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The deal, according to sources, calls for the Mavericks to acquire Marion and Kris Humphries from Toronto and Greg Buckner from Memphis, with Marion to receive a five-year contract worth an estimated $39 million. Buckner has had two previous stints with the Mavericks but is likely to be released, sources said.
What grabbing Shawn Marion could mean to Dallas - Ball Don't Lie
This team obviously fancies itself a tinker or two away from re-joining the elite of their conference, two years removed from posting the NBA's best record. With all this money tossed around, will it make a difference? It should. Bringing in Marcin Gortat(notes), an above-average player who will only get better, is a sweet deal for an average salary. Retaining Kidd is fine, though he'll be slightly overpaid in the last two years of his three-year, $25 million dollar deal. And Marion can really help this squad.
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So did the Mavs do a deal worthy of passing on Shaq, Jefferson and Carter? The best of that lot, for the Mavs' needs, is Jefferson. He's going to make $14.2 million. We're predicting Shawn Marion's new contract will start at $7 million or so. Are RJ and Shawn comparable talents? I would say so.
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Buckner has an instant expiring contract (Stack-like) and he will definitely get waived later this year. The Mavs might use it themselves, but don't be surprised if they picked up his chip to include in a package later with a team needing financial relief. Buckner instant expiring deadline isn't until 11/30.
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He is 31 years old. As someone who has gone to great lengths to suggest that our basketball team is becoming very old, I would likely be a hypocrite if I didn’t see this as another "older" addition. On the other hand, if you were going to get someone over 30, I would imagine a human jumping-jack like Marion will appear a bit younger than he is when he is going right. He plays above the rim. He will not be 32 until next May. If you are playing in a 3-year window, you are getting his 31, 32, and 33-year old seasons for this run (and 34 and 35, too). Not a horrible gamble, but it is worth noting that the Mavs have just added more "experience".
Eddie Sefko: Dallas Mavericks trade for Marion
The Mavericks now have a potential starting lineup of Marcin Gortat, Dirk Nowitzki, Marion, Josh Howard and Jason Kidd, with sixth man of the year Jason Terry coming off the bench. Marion, 31, has been on the decline the last few seasons but has averaged 17.8 points and 9.9 rebounds in his career. He had a strong second half last season after getting traded from Miami to Toronto, averaging 16 points and 9.3 rebounds in April.
Tim Cowlishaw: Marion makes Dallas Mavericks worthwhile
Are the Mavericks ready to dethrone the Lakers in the West? I don't think you can say that about any team. On paper, are they a better team than the one that advanced to the second round in May and are they a more intriguing team to watch in 2009-10? By a mile.
John Hollinger: Four-way trade puts Dallas Mavericks back in West's elite
It's all about prying the window open as long as you can. And with this week's moves to re-up Jason Kidd, sign Marcin Gortat to an offer sheet and acquire Shawn Marion in a four-team deal, the Mavs are doing all they can to keep it from slamming shut while Dirk Nowitzki is still an elite player.
...That said, this could all go to hell amazingly fast. On opening day, Kidd will be 36, Dampier 34, Terry 32, Nowitzki 31 and Marion 30; Howard also turns 30 in April. Of their top seven players, only Gortat, 25, could be described as in his prime, but he has the opposite problem: He's so untested that there's still some uncertainty surrounding how he'll perform as a 30-minute starter.
On the other hand, based on last season's performance, this team looks like a real danger to the West's elite. Dallas boasts eight players who had a PER above the league average last season -- nine if Bass re-signs -- and one of them is a genuine star in Nowitzki.
Mark Cuban, Mavericks choose to reload, not rebuild - Scott Howard-Cooper - SI.com
The Mavs believe they've got something special in a veteran team that was only three games from missing the playoffs. How else to explain three years for the 36-year-old Kidd? Only a team in win-now mode makes that investment. "It's hard to say what we would have done [if the finish had not been as encouraging]," owner Mark Cuban said. "We take the same approach every summer. We try to be opportunistic. If we get players we think can make us successful, we are going to do it."
NBA.com: Mavs, Raptors make big push to improve themselves
The Mavs could afford to let Wright go after signing defensive specialist Quinton Ross on Wednesday. Overall, Dallas has added depth, defense and speed. They're pretty stacked with talent as well, led by the former MVP Nowitzki. Among Western Conference contenders, only L.A. and San Antonio are surer bets to be a top-four seed in April.
Doug Smith's Toronto Raptors blog
Yes, this is the single greatest masterstroke achieved by a Raptors general manager in the time I’ve been covering the team, which is as long as the team has been in existence. Bryan got the free agent he wanted – Turkoglu – at the number he wanted him at. He got two guys who are if not serviceable – and I don’t know about Wright but I bet he’s got a shot at doing something there – have contracts that expire at the end of this season so they do not interfere with any salary machinations next summer.
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I don't consider us elite just yet
I want to wait and see how we look with this new lineup first, win a game or two…
Welcome back, Wes :) You’ve been gone a while!
Yay, Roger!
by Marie on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't consider the mavs elite either. howard at the 2 makes me uneasy.
I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I don’t know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I don’t want to answer.
by buckets on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's it feel to get Marion and lose Turkoglu in the same trade?
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely going to miss Hedo
He’s come a long way from his bottle blonde Kings days. I’ll have to get another player’s Magic jersey, I suppose :(
As for Marion, I am happy. I know his numbers are on the decline, but I think that’s because he misses Nash creating those easy scoring opportunities for him. I am hopeful that Kidd can do the same.
Yay, Roger!
by Marie on Jul 9, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd to Marion might just be too fun to watch...
at the hoop
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reliving the Phoenix glory days
funny how things have almost gone full circle for Dirk and Nash.
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by tandur on Jul 9, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll also wait until the offseason is over
to reserve judgment on this team. Something tells me we’re not done making moves yet…and I want to see what Roddy and Nivins look like
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the gayest photo you could find, Wes? ;)
I feel sad for Buckner. This will be the third time that the Mavs will break his heart.
by ptrck on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Mavs will keep him
he already has a Mavs jersey, instead that scrub called Nathan Jawai will be waived.
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by tomkanti on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure...
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/greg-buckner-wont-be-back-in-dallas-for.html
Yay, Roger!
by Marie on Jul 9, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant this season, next one he'll be waived like Dampier.
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by tomkanti on Jul 9, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At best...
We’re the 4th best team in the West right now…
And that’s assuming Portland doesn’t make any moves and Yao can’t go in Houston…
by N41D on Jul 9, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
assuming?
Yao’s done. And T-Mac should be, too.
Portland wasn’t a better team in my opinion than we were last year, and we just got a LOT better in many ways. I don’t see a move out there that could put them over the top of us.
With the McDyess acquisition, I am now in full respect mode of the Spurs, but still think we’ve got a 50/50 shot to be as good.
To me, it’s the Lakers and then us and the Spurs.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its Official!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4316885
We apparently get 4 players and cash considerations…not bad!
by smg31085 on Jul 9, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We get cash considerations? From who? Magic?
Anyways that would dwarf what cash considerations we have to give Memphis.
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by tomkanti on Jul 9, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also got some scrub
called Nathan Jawai bet anyone he’s getting waived.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
by tomkanti on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else feel a little odd?
Marion was with the Suns for the longest time, killing us with his fastbreak dunks which take him like 3 seconds to execute. Now he’s a Mav. It’s weird.
by ptrck on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch him stop doing that kind of stuff now that we have him
It would be so typical…
Yay, Roger!
by Marie on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
it’ll only be weird if and when the Mavs get Wade next year…
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by hinduplaya on Jul 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron Wade?
yikes
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um.
The Mavs could afford to let Wright go after signing defensive specialist Quinton Ross on Wednesday.
No, the Mavs could afford to let Wright go because he’s not very good.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jul 9, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What would everybody think of
now moving howard??? to one of these teams 76rs…Golden State…Detroit…Phoenix ? And trading Damp at the Deadline?
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by aaronp on Jul 9, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only way I move Josh Howard right now
is for Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Andre Iguodala or something similar. We’d have to be blown away.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Howard for Johnson in a heartbeat.
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by chrisR on Jul 9, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is moving Josh scary?
I’d do it in a second. He doesn’t seem to mesh with the roster as comprised right now at all. This team is missing what Ray Allen brings to Boston, and I have yet to see Josh do anything that makes me really want to hold onto him.
by ericeric on Jul 10, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then I guess you've missed quite a lot of games
Josh is the reason we beat the Spurs, and his health is the reason we lost to the Nuggets, in my opinion
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good assessment
I would say Terry is partly to blame as well, though he was also injured at the time
Yay, Roger!
by Marie on Jul 10, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the link
pretty standard “happy to be here” stuff, though.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh?
With Toronto sewing up Bargnani two years earlier than they had to and giving Hedo a huge contract as well, and still remaining a player or two away from true contender status, despite being in luxury tax hell, perhaps the Mavs can wait until right at or just before the trade deadline and offer Dampier’s expiring plus Howard and Calathas for Chris Bosh. Just a thought.
by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 9, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do we do that just because we don't think
we’re going to resign Howard?
or because we are afraid Dirk will be gone soon…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
You do that because you can team Bosh with Dirk. Period. This team is already looking to use Dirk at center during stretches with Marion at the 4, Howard at the 3, Terry and Kidd. If you get Bosh, the team might not be as big down low, but that would be some crazy mismatches. Two incredibly long and agile forwards at or around 7-feet tall that can both shoot. That’s a nightmare defensive matchup for every other team, sans the Lakers (if they resign Odom). Hopefully the Gortat signing goes down, this will allow Dirk rest when Bosh and Gortat are together, and it will decrease the wear and tear on Bosh who has been injury-prone his whole career. Finally, Bosh is a Texas native, who could go to the Rockets in 2010 with McGrady’s $23 million coming off the books. That would not be good for Dallas. Finally, think of that starting lineup, Dirk, Bosh, Marion, Terry, and Kidd.
by Dodgerblue15 on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone keep forgetting the Nuggets?
They still seem INCREDIBLY scary.
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by jonthefon on Jul 9, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
because of Billups
he turned that team around, even though they reverted to last year’s Nuggets at the end of the WCF. They’ve resigned Chris Andersen and lost Dahntay Jones. Maybe JR Smith finally starts?
I’d say this trade puts Dallas firmly in the Top 5 of the West. Whether Portland, Dallas, or Denver are ready to step up and meet the Lakers or Spurs level yet, we’ll find out. Injuries cannot be predicted, as well.
1. Los Angeles
2. San Antonio
3. Dallas
4. Portland
5. Denver
I obviously think Denver is going to slip, but at the same time, Portland is GOING to get better.
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by tandur on Jul 9, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones went to Indiana
Denver’s starting five alone is above the luxury tax, so don’t count on them making any moves this offseason. Not discounting them but with the addition of Gortat and Marion defensively and a healthy Josh, a repeat of our last series would definitely go down differently.
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by JukeboxJoe on Jul 10, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Spurs
aren’t on the “Spurs level” yet, either. Play it out. The Lakers are the champs. nobody else is proven
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
a lot of people are touting the Spurs but they’re as unproven as the Mavs. Can’t really argue that Jefferson is really better than Marion, and getting Manu back would’ve only made them even to the Mavs compared to the team that lost 4-1.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 10, 2009 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
it could be McDyess that pushes them over the edge…we’ll see
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver kinda whooped us LY
And all we really did was Gortat and Marion.
I think we should ease on the breaks here. I’m still interested to see how this team looks. It’s not like Marion’s been dynamite everywhere he goes post-PHO.
by ericeric on Jul 10, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he never had a Kidd-like PG, either...or a Dirk...
but you are right, we’ll just have to wait and see.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie Nelson
Said on espn 1033 that the Marion trade prohibits them of pursuing any big names next year. So I’m guessing the “Dust Chip” is overrated.
by Monkey Brain on Jul 10, 2009 12:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN 1033
You’re better off listening to some AM gospel station than to those jackasses.
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by chrisR on Jul 10, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Donnie
Who said the Mavs will not get a big name star next year not the espn 1033 crew. So we need to stop dreaming about getting Wade or Bosh now.
by Monkey Brain on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach Speak!
I’m sure it was nothing more than the ol’ Coach Speak, where he’s trying to lower expectations and WOW us at the time. There’s no doubt that the DUST Chip is real, but it’s not inevitable that we get someone with it. It is actually possible that all the BIG names like Wade, Lebron, Bosh, the ATL Duo, etc. stay put leaving us with nothing. That’s the only reason the DUST Chip would be rendered worthless. Otherwise, it’s as real as the fingers on your hand.
by Texan 1st on Jul 10, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not overrated if it's true
and it’s true. what is not sure of yet is how the economy, market and teams with players that are valuable end up performing that dictate or necessitate a trade…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we’re in the same position as last season, not quite an elite team yet, but a team that can contend and fight with the best. It’s getting to the time where ownership has to think of rebuilding a veteran team that will probably not win a championship or really make that deep of a run, especially if we can’t go for a big free agent next season.
by Why on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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