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Could the Mavericks Be Receiving an In-State Trade Offer?

Speculation emerged on Friday indicating that the Dallas Mavericks and Houston Rockets could make a deal involving Brendan Haywood.  Bill Ingram of Hoopsworld indicated that the Rockets sent scouts to Dallas during their six-game home-stand to observe Haywood. Even if the results they saw weren't great, they are still interested in Haywood.

The Rockets might be coming to the conclusion that Yao Ming can no longer be counted on as a building-block piece for their franchise.  A stress fracture in his left ankle is the latest injury in a long line of injuries that have derailed the Chinese center.  Reports confirmed the injury and he will be out the remainder of the season. 

That puts Houston in the market for a starting caliber center and Haywood would fit the bill.  Up until halfway through the preseason, Brendan Haywood was the starting center for the Dallas Mavericks.  A healthy Tyson Chandler has changed the game for the Mavericks and led to Haywood moving to the bench.  This has been a move that appears to be very problematic for Haywood.  It also could be problematic for the Mavericks as they resigned Haywood in the off-season with a contract that guarantees him five years and $43 million.

Star-divide

As we look at this situation, there are different angles to look at:

Why Would Houston Want Haywood?

The Rockets are now 11-15 on the season which has them with the 11th best record in the Western Conference.  They are a team that is essentially going to have to start over and rebuild.  The team is in mild to moderate state of desperation.  With Yao Ming's injury, it's time to look in a new direction for a starting center and those are hard to find.  There is a lot of uncertainty in the new collective-bargaining agreement, but a majority of the potential free agent big men don't really seem like a logical fits to find new homes.  With that, the trade market becomes the next route to take. Brendan is not Yao Ming, but when he's right, he's one of the better centers in the league.  With their record, an upgrade at that position could keep them in the mix of the playoff chase or allow them to rebuild with a center in place.

Why Would Dallas Want to Deal Haywood?

Coach Rick Carlisle has been supportive of the back-up center, "Brendan is our guy."  There has been a one-game suspension for Haywood for a violation of team rules and his overall attitude/demeanor has been an issue over the past couple of weeks.  The head coach doesn't believe the attitude or demeanor issue is relevant but would understand the reasoning if it were a problem.  "If that's the case, there's probably some frustration. This guy's been a starting center for 10 years. We're asking him to do something that's a big adjustment," Carlisle continued.  "Shawn Marion has made the same adjustment. Brendan works hard.  He's a big part of our team."

Haywood hasn't made himself available to the media since the suspension so it's hard to say what's actually going on with him.  The thought is that he's upset because he was either promised to be the starter once he signed his contract or something along those lines.  Things changed once Tyson Chandler was acquired over the summer and over the course of the preseason, Chandler won the position.  Things change and Haywood had a fair opportunity at the position and he's lost it for now.  It's completely up to him on what he wants to do going forward with the situation, he could make the best of it or be aloof about it. 

"He's such a good dude that I think it's tough," Tyson Chandler said. "It's a tough situation because when you're a guy who spends your whole career starting and used to playing X-amount of minutes and now you're being asked to do something that's so out of your norm, sometimes it takes a while to adjust. I fully expect him to be able to adjust and really help us out."

One of the glaring issues with Haywood is his free throw shooting.  He is now shooting 27% from the free throw line and team's are implementing the "Hack-a-Wood" play and forcing him to the line.  Haywood practices free throws daily with the Mavericks free throw coach and he makes a vast majority of his free throws there.  Now, it's just a matter of finding a way to transfer those results to game situations.  "With guys fouling him and sending him to the free throw line, he just has to step up and make it," said Jason Kidd.  "We all believe he's going to do the right thing and he's not trying to miss them.  This is a veteran ballclub and we're all cheering for him when he's out on the floor."

Everyone on the team understands that Haywood is going through a tough time but they're supporting their man.  "(Haywood will) be fine," said Caron Butler.  "He just has to keep his energy up.  Obviously he's going to be a professional,  so he's working hard at it.  Everybody goes through times in which they're trying to gather their rhythm
and find themselves.  That's my friend, that's my teammate so we're just going to stick with him."

If things don't really change with the attitude and results, something needs to be done to fix the situation.  In the days of guaranteed contracts, the Mavericks would bite the bullet and waive him.  The only realistic option would be then to trade the disgruntled center.

The Hot Cheerleader

If the Rockets are rebuilding, they really don't have a need for Kevin Martin.  The Mavericks have been very interested in Martin, they were in discussions with the Kings for Martin before ultimately working with Washington to get Caron Butler, DeShawn Stevenson and Haywood. Kevin Martin is a shooting guard who could provide the Mavericks with the "Robin" they've been searching for.  Martin is one of the  most gifted scorers the league has to offer: smart, smooth, long, and quietly explosive. He is fearless going to the hoop and draws a lot of contact, and hits his free throws.  From a statistical standpoint, the Rockets guard is averaging 22.8 points on 44.2% shooting and 43.4% from long range.  He gets to the free throw line 8.6 times/game and shoots 90.7% from the line.  

So if he's so talented, why would Houston get rid of him?  They have pieces who could fill in for Martin and do so at a much cheaper rate.  They have Chase Budinger, Courtney Lee and newly acquired Terrence Williams who could step in and take Martin's role on the team.  Martin is arguably their strongest asset, at a position with suitable depth.  If they can parlay that asset in to eliminate a weakness, it makes sense for them.

What's the ownside...? 

The missing D.  Essentially, Kevin Martin is a one-dimensional player as a scorer but he does that at a great rate.  The one thing an optimist would look towards would be the Chandler Effect.  The Mavericks are stronger on the defensive end and Chandler plays a big role in that.  He can anchor the defense and be a last-line of defense if a perimeter player is beaten.  Martin hasn't really had that luxury in his career so it's always possible that his defensive shortcomings could be masked.

After this season, Martin has 2 years and just under $25 million left on his current deal.  Taking that into account, Dallas will need to add more than just Haywood to make a deal work with Martin. 

The Old Librarian

The Kevin Martin route would be the sexy and flashy way to go, there is another route both teams could take.  The Rockets would be happy, the Mavericks could too but it wouldn't be as flashy or as much of a wow factor.  If the Mavericks completely want to absolve themselves of Brendan Haywood and the Rockets are that desperate, a straight up trade could happen: Haywood for Jared Jeffries.  The 6-11 forward is now in his 9th year in the league, but he's a player without a true position.  His versatility can be helpful on the defensive end of the court but he's not that great of a defender for his size.  Jeffries' size would make you think he would be a decent rebounder but that is lacking as well.  It could be a situation of chemistry addition by talent subtraction.  The lucrative part of the deal for Dallas would be that they're getting even more flexible going forward as Jeffries is a free agent at the end of the season.  

That specific aspect could be beneficial in adding insurance to trying to secure Tyson Chandler to an extension.  If things continue as they are with Chandler, the Mavericks will want to sign him to an extension.  Despite uncertainty with the new CBA, Chandler is in no hurry to sign an extension.  That extra space with Haywood's contract out of the mix would certainly be a positive in the process for trying to retain Chandler.

There are a multitude of different options that could be worked out with Houston that don't involve Martin.  Players such as Brad Miller, Patrick Patterson and Courtney Lee could all be intertwined in a deal involving Haywood and another piece.  The intriguing piece that could come up for debate would be Roddy Beaubois.

Sacrifice "The Future"?

Roddy Beaubois has been labeled "The Future" of the team as he is an integral part to the long-term success for the franchise.  News circulated on Friday evening that Roddy believes he's just about a couple of weeks away from being able to return to action, we'll have to see if that actually holds true or not.  The Mavericks are still hoping Beaubois can be that second star.  The question is do you stick with the guy you believe in or go for the player who has already established themselves?

What Kind of Impact Does a Move Make for the Mavericks?

From a results aspect and a personnel aspect, it totally depends on the specifics of any deal. If they were to deal Haywood and not get a big man in return, the Mavericks would then have to lean on projects Ian Mahinmi and Alexis Ajinca as the primary backups.  Both big men had nice stretches over their extended home-stand over the past ten days and Rick Carlisle has mentioned, "You can see why we're very excited about the future of the team with those guys."  If something radical were to happen, the future would become the present with Mahinmi and Ajinca.  Again, depending on particulars, the Mavericks could still have flexible pieces to move in a trade to address any new holes that are created with the roster.  

So What Does it All Add Up to?

Speaking with people in the Mavericks organization, you understand that they do have an interest in a player like Martin as has been the case for a couple of seasons.  They have been looking for a capable second star to run with Dirk Nowitzki.  Sources with knowledge of the organization say the Mavericks would likely be hesitant on adding Beaubois in a deal if one ever came about with Houston. Speaking directly with a high ranking member at Mavericks headquarters, I received confirmation that the rumor is just that - a rumor.  The Rockets have not been in direct communication with the Mavericks and vice versa.  The Dallas side remains business as usual, but the Houston side appears to be shifting gears and entering an aggressive pursuit for a center and the Mavericks will be a team of interest for them. 

Whether or not anything happens involving Kevin Martin or Brendan Haywood actually happens, only time will tell.  It could be flashy, it could be boring or it could be nothing at all.  Either way, the Rockets are in a tough situation and they have to make a tough decision.  If the Rockets do intend to move forward and take the team in a new direction, the Mavericks should be expecting a phone call in the near future.

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Don’t we already have enough 2s? And doesn’t this mean w/ Martin and JET at the 2 that Roddy is done for the season? They must have a ton of confidence in Mahinmi to make this trade. After years of torture, it was nice to have 2 capable centers for the entire game.

In other news, Orlando is making huge waves. Goodbye Vince, Gortat, Pietrus, Rashad. Hello, JRich, Earl Clark, Agent Zero. Welcome back, Turk!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5932861

by bbob on Dec 18, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

Dang it!!

I was hoping that Dallas could use its Expiring Contracts to get Howard by taking on Lewis’ contract…. guess that dream is out the Window…..

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

i think i just shat myself.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

and go mavs! to you as well.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

it was a Dream buckets...

I knew that it had a 99.9999999999% chance of NOT happening… but still…

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

i dream of trading my socks for those of a much richer man.

probably not going to happen either.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

it didn't?

then my dream might be stupid.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

donny, you're out of your element.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

and no

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

by the way buckets...

Check it out…Click here

apparently Orlando got Screwed….

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

PER is bullshit sometimes...

They added instant offense in Arenas and Richardson. And Hedu’s PER is down because he’s been lost ever since he left Orlando. If he plays back to form, they definitely won.

by bbob on Dec 18, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

i hope they lost.

fuck orlando in its ear.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope so too...

if just so that at the Trade deadline after Orlando has completely imploded we pull this off…(

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I have said...

Dream trade…especially if you swap Andre for say Anthony/Paul….

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

About Haywood

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BCMcH86 on Dec 18, 2010 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Is there any evidence that Haywood has his heart in the game?

I think Haywood has only been trying to show he shouldn’t be sent to the D-League after Chandler has taken his starting position. The major difference between SA and Dallas has been a reliable center. Management went for 3 centers to see who would show up in a game (with 2 back ups). Chandler has been the face of the New Dallas defense (NO more “Allas”). Just look at the stats and the Press for who is 60%+ responsible for the surge of Dallas defense… Haywood is dead weight at this stage. We are very deep. I’d rather deal him to Houston (in our own division) for future draft picks than with anyone on the Houston roster (just to save Cuban some $$$ to spend on future prospects).

by J0hnny on Dec 18, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

that cannot be done.

both teams are over the salary cap, so salaries in a trade have to be within a certain range. neither team can receive more than 125% of the salaries they send out.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Martin's all-around scoring ability, but.....

last night Haywood really looked like a guy that want to be a part of this team.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

you said it

LAST night, after this speculation came up.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Dec 18, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

We paid him to play better than this.

I’d be sad if we traded Roddy. I could care less about Haywood.

by Tim Cato on Dec 18, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

I think trading Roddy is a bad idea. He’s really got a lot of skills that are hard to come by.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm going to write an article on him today or tomorrow

He’s an explosive penetrator who can get into the lane with ease. Those are hard to come by. Kevin Martin is not one of those guys, and that’s why I’d be hesitant to make that trade (though I still might do it). There’s not a lot of guys that are athletic enough to constantly beat their man, no matter who it is, and exploit defenses, but Roddy is that athletic. People who can do that? Mainly superstars…Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, LeBron James.

by Tim Cato on Dec 18, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

if you are going to go after Martin

how about this

this gives The Rockets a starting Caliber Center-Haywood and some salary relief Butler/Terry and a young center to groom in Ajinca

we get Yao(would be released after this year) and Martin who would take the starting spot at SG
Stevenson would Backup the SG and SF spots

once Roddy comes back he becomes the backup PG and SG thus netting him around 20 mins per game-10-15 at PG with 10 at SG

Mahinmi becomes the Primary Backup C- would probably get 10-15 mins a game

what do you guys think?

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

It's pointless, Yao is out for the year then he's a free agent so you dont gain anything.

plus theres a 90% chance hes going to retire. So basically you are giving Houston more than the current rumor for the same return (Martin).

by bbob on Dec 18, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure there is a chance Houston will get some exceptions from the league based on the injury.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Dec 18, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve heard him talk about that. He said something like just score more than the other guy. And he usually does that. Jet’s d has been a little better this year, but I’m not sure how much difference there would be between him and Martin on that end.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

right,

Martin’s an upgrade there. I’m not so sure about Jeffries to match Haywood’s salary. But that’s the kind of deal I could see going down.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the conversation shifts gears negatively if the Mavs try to push Jet for Martin.

Jeffries and Haywood match straight up.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Dec 18, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

ugh, really?

Would he be an upgrade over Cardinal?

by bbob on Dec 18, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

very good defensively.

that’s about all I know, though.

by Tim Cato on Dec 18, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

the salaries match,

on Jet and Haywood for Jeffries and Martin. Close enough. I wouldn’t even consider it without Martin.
I really don’t put a ton of value on Jeffries.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Do you think Haywood for Jeffries is a fair deal? Or that Houston would not want Jet?

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if Yao comes back

His chances of staying healthy are the same as those of a glass figurine.

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by mike_o on Dec 18, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think they’d move Butler without a better small forward in return. Yao really has no value to a contender.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

totally forgot about Jefferies....

heres one including Jefferies… I think the Rockets would want Butler considering their SG depth(which is Why Martin is expendable) plus Butlers Contract is expiring, so they could more immediate relief…

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

Rox have Battier, Williams, and Buddinger that can all play small forward. Martin is almost exclusively a shooting guard because of his lack of bulk. The Mavs don’t have depth at small forward.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I agree, even though I really like Martin's scoring.

I wonder what the players think about it. The Mavs have a lot of chemistry this year, a real team effort. And I think Haywood is even starting to buy into it.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally I'd like to keep our current roster intact this season.

I’d give this old bunch of guys a chance to finish what they’ve worked hard for. 21-5 to start the season ain’t too shabby. If they fail, blow up the team and trade everyone next season.

by zigg on Dec 19, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

okay what about this?

Click Here

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the one way I would give up Haywood...

to get rid of JJB. But whos your backup PG then, JET?

by bbob on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

he likes to pretend he's an airplane.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

i heard he likes to pretend he's a train.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

this is probably as good as it gets

getting JJB out & cutting losses with Wood.

PG – Kidd, Jet
SG – Martin, 3venson
SF – Butler, Marion
PF – Dirk Marion
C – TC, Mahinmi, Ajinca

with Carlisle loving the 3-guard lineup, i wouldn’t mind seeing Martin than JJB there.

the only real risk there is, when TC goes down.

and yeah, when Roddy comes back, you gotta slowly bring him into the guard rota.

by Pongskie on Dec 19, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

no trading haywood this year.

we don’t know what’s going to happen with chandler, and if both those guys are out, our love for mahinmi will quickly turn into rage.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 18, 2010 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

and Mahinmi’s been injured for the past two years also. Depth at center is more than a luxury.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the idea...

But I don’t think Houston really wants Butler. I know he has that expiring, but if you look at Martin’s contract, its not bad at all. 2 years left, 15 million total. Really just depends on how bad they want Haywood, which at this point, which his play, can’t be really high.

by Tim Cato on Dec 18, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it’s closer to 25m for the upcoming years. about 10m this year.

by young guns on Dec 18, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Per Roto World...

 2010/11: $11,100,005,

 2011/12: $12,019,840,
 
2012/13: $12,929,675

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

so you are saying Haywood for Jefferies straight up?

that is all Haywood is worth? cause if that is the case then no

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, it’s not 15…in the article is says 25 which is a rough number…but it’s close enough to it.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Dec 18, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

So would Martin be our 3?

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Dec 19, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't usually follow

the Mavericks as closely as I do the Rangers (baseball)

but why in the world would you give up Haywood when we really have a strong 2nd team that can be starters on another team? This doesn’t make sense to me, unless Cuban cannot afford the contracts ( he can btw ).

Am I too off base in this thinking?

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by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 18, 2010 5:12 PM CST reply actions  

I think they might be feeling the pressure to make a commitment to Chandler...

that is numero uno and will be for some time by unloading haywood and signing chandler to an extension. But I’m right with you, we’d be putting too much faith in Mahinmi = Haywood’s production on the 2nd team.

by bbob on Dec 18, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Just because Cuban Can afford both

Doesn’t mean that he will be able to… From what I have heard of the NBA negotiations for thier CBA, the Owners what to have a “hard cap” similar to the NFL/NHL. the MAvericks are already 30+ million over the Cap, so if a “hard Cap” is installed who do we get rid of to get under the said cap?

if Dallas can trade Haywood for a player that that will be payed like a back up, and thus be inline with any future cap situation, while retaining the Core players, then you have to make that trade…

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Next year, the Mavs will be under the luxury tax

that involves the loss of Stevenson and Chandler. Assuming the luxury tax is under $70 Million, the Mavs are ok.

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by tomkanti on Dec 18, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

would rather lose Butler and JJ

than Chandler….

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really

but I would still explore the option….plus Trading Haywood lets you keep Chandler… ie

Chandler> Haywood

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 18, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

I think trading Haywood

would be a good idea right now,

only if the Mavs and Chandler are on the same page as far as keeping him here long term and if the Mavs are confident in Mahimi and Anjica as the back ups (I am fine with them, they are really good).

And that the Mavs get a good return maybe Martin and draft pick or two.

It is a good deal for both teams.

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by Nah ha ha He He on Dec 19, 2010 12:58 AM CST reply actions  

Haven't we already gone this route before?

Offense… 2003-04? That got us nowhere. The whole point of building the team as is was to get past San Antonio and L.A. We need size if we’re going to win anything.

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by mike_o on Dec 20, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

look it here brahs

aint no way we gonna drop haywood. yall is stupid for that idea

by MFFL brah on Dec 20, 2010 2:52 AM CST reply actions  

shut up gabe.

that's none of your damn business and i'll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

by buckets on Dec 20, 2010 6:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Jared Jeffries

Do not want, unless he has a heaping contract ready to expire.

I don’t want to trade Roddy Buckets for anyone. I don’t care who it is.

by DirkDoesWork on Dec 20, 2010 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think Martin's defense is as big of a problem as you put it.

I have this theory that offensive players aren’t going to play hard defense when they play for non-championship teams/pretenders. He’s 6`7 and athletic, RC should be able to get him to play mediocre defense.

It’d be a great deal if no other major pieces were involved besides Haywood.

by Why on Dec 20, 2010 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

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