The Josh Howard & Drew Gooden for Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood 'Rumor' Roundup
by Wes Cox on Feb 13, 2010 1:34 PM CST
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Mavs, Wizards talking multiplayer deal | ESPN Dallas
Although the deal could take until Monday to be finalized, sources said that the teams have essentially agreed on the principal pieces: Butler, Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard and Drew Gooden. The Mavericks must add additional low-dollar contracts to the deal to make the salary-cap math work. According to ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher, the most likely player would be Quinton Ross. But they are not expected to surrender prized rookie guard Rodrigue Beaubois in the swap.
Haywood could fill huge hole for Mavs | Tim MacMahon - ESPN Dallas
Haywood would fill a huge role on the Mavs' roster, especially since they can't be certain that Erick Dampier will completely recover from his knee problems this season. The Mavs desperately need a paint-protecting, shot-blocking, rebound-snatching big man to help solve their defensive woes. The 7-0, 263-pound Haywood, who ranks among the NBA's top 10 in rebounds (10.3) and blocked shots (2.06), would do that.
Butler, Haywood should energize Mavericks | Tim Cowlishaw - DMN
In two games against Boston and Charlotte last week, Butler scored 54 points. He isn't shy. He took 45 shots in those games. But if Haywood is a slight upgrade in the post or at worst a break-even exchange for Gooden, then the Mavericks have new reason to think they can get out of the first round or maybe even compete with Denver in the second. You can save facing the Lakers for another trade or two.
Meet the new Mavs-to-be | DMN
The Post recently wrote: "He first struggled to develop chemistry with Gilbert Arenas, looked uncomfortable in Saunders's offense and privately grumbled about his role with the team. Even Arenas's season-long suspension didn't free him from his season-long slump." Butler told the Post: "It's been hard to focus. It really has. You can say all the right things, about staying positive and moving forward, but it has been hard. It takes a toll on you mentally and physically. This is the only time that you can escape from all of that."
Why Mavericks are trading Josh Howard | Jean-Jacques Taylor - DMN
When Jason Kidd joined the Mavs, Howard's game should have improved dramatically because the veteran point guard usually makes everybody's life easier. It didn't happen for Josh. Now, he's gone. Maybe, he'll find success in Washington, where there's no pressure to perform.
Mavs-Wizards 'Close' On Butler-Josh Howard Trade | Mike Fisher - DB.com
Net benefit to the Mavs: Forgetting J-Ho’s ups and downs for a moment. … Dallas gets a wing player who is superior to Josh. … gets a defensive ace at center who is superior (at least in filling a need) to Gooden – and might be superior to a bum-kneed Erick Dampier … loses other assets that are expendable … gets Oberto as a third center [ed note. or Crittenton] … retains J.J. Barea (the way I hear it), who remains a rotation piece here … keeps Roddy "untouchable.’’ … and allows themselves to remain dealt-in to the Summer of 2010 card game.
Wizards closing in on deal with Dallas | Michael Lee - Washington Post
Butler will earn $10.5 million next season. He wanted a contract extension before the season began, but the Wizards were unable to reach an agreement. He is having a difficult time adjusting to Coach Flip Saunders's system and, despite chemistry problems with Gilbert Arenas, he never got much better even after Arenas was suspended. In his last two games, Butler scored a combined 54 points and made a game-winning jumper in a win over the Orlando Magic. After that game, Butler sounded like someone who thought that a trade was inevitable. "I'll always view Washington as home. I had a great time here. I had the most success I ever had," said Butler, who made all-star appearances in 2007 and 2008.
Loose Ends: Five Issues To Be Cleared Up For Mavs-Wiz Butler/Howard Trade To Go Through | DB.com
Singleton actually has Early Bird Rights, which means he can veto a deal (not unlike what Devean George once did in Dallas’ Devin/Kidd trade with New Jersey). I’m not sure if Singleton would do that, or why; he is likely to play more in Washington. But if he vetoes, the Wizards should be accepting of an alternative minimum-wage Mav.
The latest on the Butler/Haywood trade rumors (UPDATED) - Bullets Forever
And now we see the rub here - this trade is about getting the Wizards out of the luxury tax this season. ... That's probably why you see a) Haywood going, and b) no talent coming back. This is completely a money-saving move for this season. Doesn't make it any better (in fact, it makes it worse, which I'll try to explain later), but at least makes it more understandable.
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don't know if it makes the Mavericks a real contender
but it’s certainly an upgrade, and being able to keep Roddy and Damp’s contract makes it, on paper, a pretty good deal for Dallas.
I think Haywood may end up being the real prize. Butler’s a good player but I’m not entirely convinced he’ll fit(yet). Big questions for me are his shot selection and whether he can guard opposing two guards consistently. His shooting has been pretty off this year, but having watched a few Wizards games it seems possible that’s simply due to the utter lack of offensive cohesion on that team, where each player takes turns dribbling upcourt for a contested jumpshot.
If it goes through, the Mavs will have a lot of size in their starting lineup, which I like.
I think you have to look at it like this as far as contending:
did we look like a legit contender to start the season? Yes. What has changed since then:
A) Howard has been pushed into the starting lineup and then out again, with Terry, a little bit of a crutch defensively, replacing him.
B) Dampier lost his health and early-season prowess.
Our lineup is much better with size and defense starting AND the capability of scoring. With Butler coming in, he may not be a shutdown defender, but he’s a lot taller and longer than Terry, and is just as potent of a scorer. I expect Terry to go back to the 6th man role and to start Kidd, Butler, Marion, Nowitzki and Haywood. If that happens, we have Kidd facilitating with two above average scorers and two post scoring threats; we have size and athleticism; and we have a player in Butler (or two with Haywood) that will take full advantage of Kidd’s prowess, whereas Howard never really took to it and Dampier has never been a high scoring threat down low.
I will miss Gooden, hope there’s a way to bring him back but I won’t hold my breath. I will miss the memories of Josh of yesterday…and 2009 playoffs Josh vs. the Spurs. He was the X factor for this team; and while Butler’s had some health issues, I think this trade will energize him and keep him on the court, playing at a very high level.
I think we’ll be back to contending. I think we CAN take out the Nuggets and the Lakers. It’s not a question of not having the capability, it’s a question of actually doing it.
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by Walter Sobchak on Feb 13, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Not quite Memphis, but close.
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not a big fan of Caron because I think he is inconsistent
,but he sure is a better “second banana” than Josh. I think Haywood is the most important guy involved in this trade because he could provide the wide body we desperately needed in this trade. I hate Stevenson though.
I feel sad in losing Gooden, I think he did great as a back up center.
At least we get to keep Roddy and Damp’s contract.
How bout you guys? Which do you think is better Iggy+Dalembert or Caron+Haywood? I know the Philly thing was a long shot but who the heck knows what the Mavs front office could pull off.
by turnaroundfadeawaydunk on Feb 13, 2010 6:18 PM CST reply actions
I would have rather had Iguodala and Dalembert
on sheer talent and age alone…but their contracts are nowhere near as palatable as Butler and Haywood. And Haywood is a lot beefier than Dalembert.
For the mixture of both now and the future, I’ll take this trade and run with it.
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by Walter Sobchak on Feb 13, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
I have to agree about the age thing. At least we could be contenders
with young people in the mix. Moreover, if our old vets go, we could start rebuilding while these guys can stay.
But then, we have Caron and Haywood right now, GO MAVS!
by turnaroundfadeawaydunk on Feb 13, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Philly
I don’t think the difference is huge, but I’d probably take the Philly tandem. However, given the salaries of Haywood and Dalembert, a trade with Philly probably meant giving up Dampier. So, overall, I think this trade makes Dallas a better team than than the Philly one would have.
by Alan Smithee on Feb 13, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Go MAVS!!!
I like this trade. Loved Josh but he seemed to want out this year. I know mavs fans are gonna like the way Caron Butler plays and Brendon Haywood is a real shot blocking, rebounding, in the paint player. We should be much better after a few games together. This is the start of a new day for the Mavs!!!
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