Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: NFL Roundtable: Which Draft Pick Is Most Likely To Bust?

Mark Cuban, tell me again why you let Steve Nash leave the Mavs in 2004?

I mostly like Mark Cuban. As a Dallas journalist who covered the
Mavericks in their early years in the 1980s and continues to follow
the team, I saw how Cuban helped lift the team from doormats to
contenders. He also is among the most accessible sports owners,
returning emails and calls when few owners will even reveal their
email addresses.

But the dumbest decision Cuban ever made was to let Steve Nash walk
away in 2004. Cuban wouldn't match a 6-year, $66 million contract
offer made by the Suns that year for Nash, but that same year, Cuban
gave mediocre center Erick Dampier a 7-year, $73 million contract.

His reasoning continues to defy logic. Cuban said in an arbitration
hearing just last year that he couldn't match "what amounts to a
maxed-out offer" for Nash in 2004. But he could give Dampier what
amounts to "maxed-out" money that very year, in fact, a month after Cuban let Nash walk away.

 

Cuban is still having to defend this decision. At various times, he
has blamed former coach Don Nelson for saying that Nash had worn down
and wasn't worth a 6-year contract. Cuban has said Nash had more
motivation to do well in Phoenix after leaving the Mavs. After the
Mavs beat the Suns in 2006 to go to the NBA Finals, Cuban even went on
David Letterman's show and claimed Jason Terry was a more effective
point guard than Nash.

"Steve's a great guy and I love him to death, but why couldn't he play
like an MVP for us?" Cuban told Letterman and the national TV
audience. "Jason Terry took his place, and hey, look where we are, and
he's home watching."


This year, Terry, Jason Kidd, Dirk Nowitski, Dampier and other Mavs
who Cuban paid big money for are the ones watching as Nash leads the
Suns to the Western Conference finals.

Cuban letting Nash walk about a month before giving Dampier this contract has to be among the worst decisions by an NBA executive in history. In the playoffs this year, Dampier averaged all of 1 point per game and 6.6 boards a game. Nash has averaged 17.8 points per game, 9 assists and 3.1 rebounds a game in this year's playoffs. Not to mention Nash played one of the gutsiest quarters in NBA playoff history in that fourth quarter Game 4 against the Spurs when he scored 10 points and had 5 assists with one eye.

Another interesting fact: The Mavs had the second highest payroll this
year in the NBA of $88 million, only behind the Lakers' $91 million.
The Suns were ninth at $75 million. The Spurs were 7th at $79 m. The
Celtics, cavs and Magic - one of which will represent the East in the
finals - were no lower than 6th with at least $82 m.

Reader Submitted

Comment 48 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

EVERYONE MAKES BAD MOVES.

Just sayin’.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 11, 2010 1:26 AM CDT reply actions  

And the only way you can really justify it

is to say that Nash was 30 at the time and couldn’t play a lick of D, which wasn’t where the Mavs were trying to go after getting dominated by Sacramento. They wanted to build a team around Dirk, which could actually work a stop on their own accord. This was covered in the “Sweep” thread on the front page.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 11, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also

it was mentioned that not only did Nash get healthier with age, but also his scoring, assists, FG % all went up after he left

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 14, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that Damp was a smart move,

But keeping Nash wasn’t great either. About Damp, wow that contract was straight stupid, but all i can say it he was EXPECTED to be a 10 and 10ish guy, which if he would have produced that we would love him. So dumb move mark, but i can see why you did it.

On the other hand, letting Nash go was dumb and smart. Dumb because he was great for us, but he was a 15 and 8 guy for Dallas. A point guard for the (then) best offensive team in the league doesn’t turn heads with 8 assists per game. I mean the PG is possibly the most impressive stat position and he produces 15 and 8.

He excelled in Phoenix because the system was build around him, rather than around Dirk. Sad to say, he played better basketball for phoenix than Dallas. Now, say he HADNT given that contract to damp, it would have been a great move. Also take into effect noone expected him to get better with age. Nobody thought he would be a 16 and 11 guy for phoenix over a 3 year span, when his best year with us was 18 and 8(i think, with a bit of rounding) in several years of his “prime years”

Look at it this way, the way his career had been in Dallas(dont think about his MVP years in phoenix) he was expected to decline slowly by 1-2 points and maybe .5 assists a year. Thats how MOST PG’s are, and honestly, looking at nash in dallas, he didnt look like a Hall of Famer, maybe a few time allstar and thats it. So if Nash would have stayed, and NOT had a boom in his career like he did, he would have been a probably 12 point and 7 assist guy for us, getting like 15 mil a year. AND not play a lick of defense. Or he may have a backup role by now, so wed be even matter.

It COULD have been a smart move, however he became a hall of famer in Phoenix, and we got damp with his money. So it ended up being a dumb move.

(my Dad about to place a bet)"Hey Karim who do you like in the Colts Game?" "I dont know dad, Haydens out, so is Gonzalez, Bracket, Sanders, Jackson, and maybe Freeney" Dad-"Is Manning playing?" Me-"Yeah".. "Lets go with Indy"

by KarimTheDream on May 16, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's not also forget what kind of system Phoenix runs.

That’s why Nash has gone from very good point guard to 2 time MVP. Let’s say we did keep Nash. Would we have won something by now? I don’t think so. Would I rather have given Nash a lot of money instead of Dampier? Yes, but I would rather have given neither a big contract.

But maybe giving Dampier all of that money back in 04 was all part of Cuban’s master plan to get Wade in 2010 :)

Because this is Arizona.

by Blair Rocket on May 11, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions  

I think had Nash been allowed to remain in Dallas,

the Mavs would have beaten Miami in the NBA finals in 2006. He and Devin Harris would have been a great backcourt tandem.

by kjshay on May 11, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

If Cuban planned on retaining Nash,

we wouldn’t have traded up to get Harris.

Because this is Arizona.

by Blair Rocket on May 11, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don Nelson didn't have total confidence in Nash,

which was a tough factor to overcome in Dallas. The suns coaches have confidence in him. If you look at Nash’s stats with Dallas and Phoenix they aren’t that much different, just a few more assists and little better shooting percentage. It’s the intangible something of making teammates better that he developed more with maturity in Phoenix. I think he could have been just as good in Dallas.

by kjshay on May 11, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

This argument could easily go both ways.

Keeping Nash was not a guarantee that the Mavs would have won the title. Nash was never the MVP in Dallas that he has been with the Suns. That’s on him, not Cuban. He showed flashes but he continued to make mistakes and get injured. I loved watching Dirk, Fin, & Nash play for those couple of years – true offensive greatness. On the tail end of an era of NBA thug-ball, their passing game was a breath of fresh air. But Cuban made a valid business decision to not give an aging 30-yr.old PG a top-end salary and Nash made a business decision to chisel his owner for a few more bucks and also to leave his best buddy Dirk. Bottom line, it was Nash’s decision – and he proved that he was just another money-grubbin’ greedy player. Who knows if they still woulda signed Terry if Nash would have stayed but that woulda been one helluva guard combo. Terry has far surpassed expectations and easily played even with Nash in the playoffs. Signing Damp was kinda necessary since they needed an inside presence and he was the best of the tier-two bunch available. But the exorbitant salary sounded just as crazy then as it does now.

Yeah, it woulda been cool had Stevie hung around but please don’t blow blame to Cuban for Nash’s selfish decision. Had it not been for a piss-poor ref’s call, the Mavs prolly woulda won the title without him.

by robthecob on May 11, 2010 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree the Mavs got screwed in the 2006 finals by Stern and the refs.

I still can’t believe Stern suspended Stackhouse a game for a supposed hard foul on Shaq….

by kjshay on May 11, 2010 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Nash

This seems like a heavily hindsight-influenced criticism.

Nash was 31 when he left for Phoenix, and from what I remember the major issue regarding his contract was not the dollar amount but the length. The number of point guards that have played as well as Nash has in his age 34-36 seasons is very, very small. That Nash is on that list is a credit to the tremendous work he has put in to his physical conditioning, which personally I think has improved immensely since he left Dallas. Nash is in much, much better shape now and has been the last few years than he ever was in Dallas(you can see it in his face, he’s trimmer and leaner). The same guy that was regularly winded at the end of games as a Maverick spends the entire night running around the court for the Suns. It’s remarkable, and I have a hard time faulting Cuban for not having foreseen such a transformation.

I doubt Harris would have been drafted if Nash was still on the team. If someone has evidence to the contrary I’d like to see it. I’m also not sure how well Nash and Harris would have worked together offensively. Dampier is clearly not the center the Mavs might have thought they were getting when they signed him after his career year in Golden State, but Dallas was a team that had not had an interior defensive presence in over a decade and it was really the achilles heel of the teams that were regularly bounced in the playoffs by teams like the Kings and Spurs because of the points in the paint differential.

Given the roster the Mavs had at the time, I think having Harris and Dampier was a better fit than having Nash and, say, Josh Childress or Luol Deng(the two guys taken after Harris) would have been. Harris’s on-ball defense was such a big difference for them, as was the combination of Damp and Diop in the low post. Without these guys, I don’t know if Dallas could have beaten the Spurs in ’05, which is what catapulted them to the NBA Finals.

Really, I think the bigger mistake wasn’t letting Nash go but giving up so early on Harris(who was micromanaged badly before the trade), who could have been a devastating sidekick for Dirk as a slasher and lockdown defender. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think if Harris had been handled right, he could have been the better player right now than Nash. He did have more win shares last year than Nash, despite playing on a much worse team. His ability to attack the rim is something this team is sorely lacking.

by Alan Smithee on May 11, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Alan you should post more

We always appreciate in-depth and thoughtful analysis.

by LJRotter on May 12, 2010 1:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Appreciate the compliment

I have been around for a couple of years now, posting now and then. Not to disrespect your predecessor, Wes Cox, but this past year or so it seemed that traffic and quality conversation dissipated somewhat, as blogging became less frequent. A little strange, given how good the team has been for so long. As a transplanted Mavs fan in NYC, I don’t know if this is just a general symptom of Dallas sports fan malaise(the “if it’s not the Cowboys I don’t care too much” attitude), but having visited other blogs, I’ve noticed a difference in the volume and thoroughness of posting by blog readers, even those on bad teams.

It would be great to see this site pick up in activity a little. I’ll certainly endeavor to make more regular contributions.

by Alan Smithee on May 12, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like you, I was a big Harris fan.

Not that I disliked coach Avery (I thought he was great for the time) but I think Harris woulda thrived in Nellie’s offense. Avery just mentally beat Devin down to a pulp – ‘til there was no confidence left. Not in my wildest dreams do I think he would have ever been the equal of Phoenix Nash, but he was definitely coming on strong. Great D & great explosiveness. He just needed to learn how to be a distributor and stop making mistakes. They definitely gave up on him too early. At this point, I’d rather have him than JKidd. The Mavs badly need to get younger.

by robthecob on May 12, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

re:

Nash is the two time MVP, the guy with some gaudy offensive numbers and recipient of many a heap of praise, but he’s not without his weaknesses. Looking at what Devin was able to do last year when unshackled by offensive playcalling restrictions, and the kind of defender he was prior to the trade(there were many, including Hollinger, who purported he was the best defensive point guard in the league at that time), it’s not unfathomable to think the total package could have surpassed even the brightest incarnation of Scuba Steve, especially if you’re like me and believe that Nash’s value has been overstated by MVP voting and basketball pundits that incorrectly look at raw stats over rate stats.

by Alan Smithee on May 12, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know diehard Mavs fans have to justify losing someone like Nash so easily.

But I don’t think his value to the Suns can be overstated. Most pundits didn’t even pick the Suns to make the playoffs in the west this year, with some having them as low as 11th. He led a sweep of the Spurs on a team without a legitimate big man [Lopez was hurt]. His performance in Game 4 was simply amazing. Try shooting a 3-pointer with one eye closed.
Dampier has been a better center than LaFrentz or Bradley, but he hasn’t made the mavs tougher. The mavs still need a tougher inside presence.
That said, I agree that the trade that sent Harris to New Jersey and Kidd here also reeks. I’d much rather have Harris than an aging Kidd.
But the bottom line in this post remains: Cuban in 2004 chose to have Dampier for 7 years rather than Nash for 6. That has to be one of the dumbest moves by an NBA owner in the past 10 years.

by kjshay on May 13, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Avery had a lot to do with that too

Wasn’t Avery a former teammate of Damp before he came to Dallas? Bottom line is that the team was in a mental transition from the free wheeling finesse team of Nelson to the supposed hard nosed Avery, who tried to stress defense and toughness. Nash is tough in his own way, but signing Damp made sense at the time considering Dallas was trying to get bigger in the paint.

by selke99 on May 13, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's just so hard for us to speculate, not being in the front office.

I really don’t think it was a Nash or Damp decision, necessarily. Yeah, today it seems that way for sure. Cuban & Nelson probably wanted to keep Nash and strengthen a perennially weak post. I really think that Nash & the Suns full court press caught the Mavs mgmt. surprised. They told Nash what they could do financially … and he walked. To me, the biggest faux pas in the whole thing was getting absolutely nothing in return for a star player. That was the travesty. You can’t do that anymore in the NBA & expect to improve your roster. You’ve got to atleast get value in return. Amazingly, the Mavs still have had a decade-long run of 50 wins and came within a (ref’s) whistle of winning the whole turkey.

by robthecob on May 13, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't think it's that simple

An owner doesn’t say “I want player A instead of player B” and that’s it. That is a specious claim. In a vacuum, I’m sure Mark Cuban would take Steve Nash over Dampier. Afterall, it’s not as though Cuban was lukewarm on the guy; that summer he compared Nash signing with Phoenix to a death in the family.

This is the real bottom line: You build your roster with the resources you have available to you. The Mavs front office examined the talent in the draft, and what was available in the free agent pool, and they made their decision.

And, really, I’m not seeing why it was such a massive failing on his part. Harris and Damp were a big part of the Dallas team that beat Nash’s Suns in ‘05, and they got farther than they ever had with Steve in town(and farther than Steve has ever got at the time of this writing, anyway). Would they have won the championship with Nash instead? I’m sorry, but I really doubt it. Infact, I’m not sure they would have beaten the Spurs in the 2nd round that year.

The only real change would have been that more beat writers and Rick Reilly-types could have written more fluff pieces and bombarded us with endless feel-goody pablum about how he “plays the game the right way” and what good friends Dirk and Steve are and how he’s a South African-born Canada-raised goofball, etc.

by Alan Smithee on May 13, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Stoudamire

had a lot to do with that series win too.

by selke99 on May 13, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great post. I also agree about Harris

remember what happened right before the trade. Mavs, I believe, were 2nd in the conference when Harris got hurt. Avery tried to use JET and JJB as backup PGs. JJB is ok in small doses. JET’s ball handling and passing skills were terrible for a PG. I thought the Kidd trade was an overreaction to just not having a good backup PG option. I always thought Tyrone Lue played well in that role. I don’t know why they gave up on him. And Harris probably would have flourished under Carlisle instead of being reigned in by Avery.

Plus the knock on Harris when he was here was he couldn’t shoot. But he seemed to quickly develop shooting range with NJ. I agree with you about the trade being worse than letting Nash go.

by selke99 on May 13, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

His D was top-shelf.

link

The guys most in favor of that trade were the Mavs biggest Western Conference opponents. Besides the deadly accurate shooting, where Nash is just unbelievable, Devin could definitely hold his own against anyone. You’re right. The sky was the limit for him. He gave Parker fits. Just really believe that, with the right coaching approach, he would have turned the corner on his reliability in all areas. We’ll never know now. I know JKidd was “all that” in NJ but I just thought this was a horrific trade on so many levels. Once it was done, I knew the Mavs would be on the downslope. Let’s hope a miracle happens and we sign one of the big names and then find a PG of the future soon.

by robthecob on May 12, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I was absolutely doing cartwheels when George blocked the trade.

Then I was basically in a deep gloom after realising they were going to twiddle around and make it happen for real, tried to pump myself up for it but never did until about midway through the offseason.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 13, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thought I was the only one out there that was in deep gloom.

Kidd did very well this year but it was still a big mistake.

by robthecob on May 13, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember being happy too when George blocked it

but then realized it would be tough to keep Devin now since he knows he’s on the trading block. I was a big Harris fan. He still had a lot to learn and grow (he didn’t strike me as much of a leader, remember him always rolling around on the ground whenever he fell?), but he was still very young. And who knows, maybe J-Ho wouldn’t have gone batshit crazy. Remember he was kind of pissed off that both Daniels and Harris, his closest friends on the team, were traded.

I rank that trade along with the Danks trade and Langenbrunner trade where we as hardcore fans are thinking, “uh, WTF are we doing?” You just know that the organization made a huge mistake. Maybe Joey Galloway for 2 #1s fit up there too.

by selke99 on May 13, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

YES

That’s exactly what the Kidd trade felt like, the Langenbrunner deal. You had a guy who wasn’t quite there, but was clearly going to get to the “very good two-way player” type, and you basically go out there and get someone already at his level, only with less control and a couple of years older. And Arnott wasn’t even Kidd-esque! Probably only because he burned you during the Finals, plus what’s worse is they throw in Nieuwy for him. Trade sucked all around, I eventually got over my dislike of Arnott since he was a good serviceman for the Stars for three seasons, but even at my youthful age when the trade happened, I wasn’t too happy.

And I think the Mavs are a strong enough organization to get Harris back on the same page if the trade broke down. They already had shown they had faith in him, to some extent, by giving him that extension despite so-so numbers his first three seasons. I think the rest of the team would’ve rallied around Devin coming back from the injury – J-Ho of course but I assume Dirk would be a good guy to have around too.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 13, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

When it was happening

I was against it, while the guys I worked w/ were pumping it, I was like why give up a guy that is still ascending for a player that is descending but I came around on it last year when we beat SA and this year cuz of how well J. Kidd played, also my homerism should never be in question. But I still hate the feeling that Kidd will break down soon while Devin will still be playing at a high level. The only part of the trade that makes me feel much better now is Roddy. Kidd has maybe next year left where he can play at a pretty high level yet now we have his replacement which is basically a Devin Harris starting kit that starts with a little better shooting.

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 14, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

About the site

It doesn’t have many front page posts as some other sites, but that is because there are only a few ppl that run the site and no set writers, there is an editor and 2 managers but no writers, they need some volunteers that can give good insight, a starting place would be the playoff series, that can combine stats with the film to go over how we lost and how we could’ve won, also since its still playoff time, also can be posted the scores of the playoff games and possibly a short recap (if anyone watches the games). Also since its now our offseason, a writer could go through that massive list of FAs and post how they fit in w/ the Mavs, there are 50 FAs on that list which even broken to 5 per post would give some front page material, also maybe crunch the contract numbers to see how we could get said FA in a sign and trade and the impact of losing whichever player. Also some draft pieces w/ prospects could also keep us glued to the Mavs…. just some thought

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 14, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

some good suggestions

I’m not privy to the behind the scenes workings on sites elsewhere, but it does seem that most other SB Nation blogs have multiple front page contributors(so that the onus is not on a solitary person to fill the space with content), many of whom do regular “column”-style posts with certain distinctive thematic qualities. DOH already does this sort of thing with highly entertaining quote-centric posts. There should be more. I agree absolutely that a thorough, detailed breakdown of the FA’s to be and how they would fit with the Mavs should be a post or post-series for this summer. If someone really does want to dwell on the playoff loss that’s fine, too, though likely to produce a rant or two from me.

by Alan Smithee on May 14, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

ANYONE who wants to write is welcome to-

and as I said, if it is quality writing, I will happily move it to the front page. if someone has the time and commitment to write a regular posting, I can talk to the heads of SBN to get you posting rights.

by LJRotter on May 14, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could start a competition

Using Fanposts, see who wants to write as well as sampling the quality at the same time

by nicholas.rodriguez on May 15, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Nash we had then simply was not the Nash we know today, all there is to it. He’s better now than he was then, it’s crazy but it’s true.

Now as for giving him a deal that would have still had him on our books for that kind of money at age 36 would have been a bit foolish don’t you think? You wouldn’t sign too many other players to that kind of deal and we all know it. It’s easy to say now that we should have done it but at the time it was debatable if he was gonna still be worth that kind of money at that age.

Last of all, yeah granted he’s not the scorer that Nash is, Jason Kidd gives us a lot that Nash couldn’t especially in rebounding and the size and power match at point guard. With our somewhat light-in-the-ass interior presence those boards and his occasional blocks are pretty damn handy. And I still have to come back to this, yes technically Nash is quicker/faster, but if I want a defensive player and my only options are between the two I take Kidd no question every time.

by elbow greater than face on May 15, 2010 3:42 AM CDT reply actions  

yay sticking up for my fave.

also, is that dirk’s elbow? I would assume so.

by LJRotter on May 15, 2010 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh hell yeah!

That’s in response to both parts of your post of course.

J Kidd is still a bad man and people should appreciate what he brings us, not lament the loss of a guy who wasn’t even all that at the time we had him.

And of course you know that’s Dirks elbow I reference in my name! I love seeing Manu with that maxi-pad lookin’ contraption on his face lol. I do feel a bit sorry for Landry but he probably shouldn’t have put his face there…

Oh yeah, just read the last post BTW, are we supposed to by in PG language mode? If so i’m sorry for the added vulgarity lol. I take my Mavs a little too seriously at times =/

by elbow greater than face on May 15, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its cool, you should've been on here during playoffs

whew boy, there was a whole lotta profanity (myself included)

by kwentin on May 15, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't the agreement that

we tone down the vulgarity to “reasonable” away from GDTs (I suppose that’s like, an occasional F-bomb when really needing to emphasize a point or something), and let loose during the GDTs? I like it.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 16, 2010 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anyway, just sayin'

good solid discussion on this thread. You guys better show up for GDTs come the season! Maybe we’ll even sacrifice the constant cussing for the sake of better quality :p

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on May 15, 2010 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Almost the same thing as why did you draft this guy who turned into a bust instead of the guy that was drafted later that turned out to be a star.

Mistakes happen, not really all Cuban’s fault.

by Why on May 19, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about the Dallas Mavericks.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
NETS fan here (I come in peace)
Small
Point Guard Shopping
Bbp4_small
2012 Playoffs (sans Dallas) Thread
Small
The Center Crop
Small
Mavericks Offseason
Small
Indiana Pacers vs Miami Heat (Round 2)
New_usa_crest_640_small
Dallas' Free Agent Options
Small
An Ode to the Jet
Nowitzki_mvp_small
Off season talk
Small
Reflecting the Dirk Nowitzki era

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMB MERCH


Manager

Dsc0949d_copy_small LJRotter

Editor

Mememememememe_small Boweman55

Janosch_small j0Shi

Me2_small andytobo

Authors

Comunist_small DOH

800px-flag_of_the_libyan_jamahiriya_1977 tomkanti

Mavericks-logo_small Tim Cato

N7900545_38658176_7883_small Travis Wimberly