Lebron: Does he want a Championship, or a Legacy?
In the heated race to sign Lebron James, the superstar has said he wants, above all, a chance to win championship rings. Money, coaches, etc. don't matter. He wants a ring, having said that, a new question pops into my head.
Does Lebron want a Championship, or a legacy?
At first this may not make any sense to you guys. Let me clarify.
Lebron can stay in Cleveland. He's loved there. The city depends on him there. Also, the city has had no sports success since the 1960's(correct me if im wrong, but i believe the last major sports championship was in that decade). If he wins here, he'll be remembered as the one who rescued Cleveland sports. The Ace. The hero. The one guy who everyone loves in that city. So its a perfect fit for him. Hence the years of success and happiness he's had there, barring the playoff eliminations.
So if he wins in Cleveland, he will be a legend and a hero. Which is why i believe there is a shorter lists of teams he will go to than popularly believed, simply for the reason Lebron doesn't just want a ring(s), he wants to be a legend.
If he goes to the Bulls, he might be great, but he will (most likely) still fall short to what Jordan did. Simply because in the Jordan era, the NBA wasn't nearly as competitive as it is now. Take the Jordan era Bulls into today's NBA, or that of the 70's and 80's with the Lakers and Celtics, and Jordan might win 3 MVP's and maybe 2 or 3 rings. But that wasn't the case. Point being, Lebron will most likely never top what Jordan did there, because the NBA has too much talent today. This is the same reason i don't believe he will go to the Knicks. The Knicks are a great market, its NYC. Its awesome! They however, have had some greats play there. They have a history. Maybe not a storied one, to the level of the Lakers or Celtics, but a history nonetheless.
I believe Lebron needs to win somewhere where the fans need a winner. The fans aren't used to a winner. The city isn't used to a winner. This is what i believe makes us a candidate for Lebron. Not to be confused with me saying i think he'll come to Dallas. I just think there are truly only 4 teams in TRUE contention for him, and Dallas, who's chances are under 5%, is one of them.
The other 3, are Cleveland, Miami, and the Los Angeles Clippers.
Of these 4, Cleveland has (in my opinion) a 80% chance of retaining him, and the others squabble for the remaining small shots at fishing him in. Now you may think im insane, not mentioning New York, The Nets, the Bulls. But no. Lebron wants to go somewhere, where he can be the most beloved sports icon in the city, and with a few rings, of all time in any sport, in that city.
LAC- They have always been in the Lakers shadow. Coming here, he could make them into a contender. If the Clippers work to surround him with talent, they could win. They really could. And that would make him a legend in a big city, and who knows, here in 10 years after Kobe(who i strongly believe is still better than LBJ and will be for 2ish more years) leaves, the Clippers may be the new hot shots in town. Again, the Clippers with Dallas are in the 2-3% area, but this offers Lebron a chance to really make a name for himself. Make himself a hero. And also brew up what could be an amazing rivalry with Kobe Bryant. Oh the possibilities.
Cleveland- Enough said. He can become the biggest athlete to play here. So on and so forth. The hero of the city.
Miami-They've won 1 ring. That's is. Other than that, their team has a (short) meaningless history. And the Dolphins, if you recall, never hoisted up that prized trophy either. He has a chance to pair up with D wade, or maybe just with the South beach air, and become an icon. D Wade will play 2nd fiddle to him, and provide a solid 22-25 PPG. Match that with Lebrons(would be) 27ish points a game, and you have a perennial contender. His PPG would die down. He may not win 5 more MVP's in his career. But he could win rings. And this could create a Jordan-Pippen scenario, which the media would eat up. This is all assuming Wade is ok with the 2nd banana role, and if he is, and he and LBJ get together(won't happen in NYC) watch out.
Dallas- Possibly the lowest chance of the 4 teams I believe even have a shot, but we offer Lebron what he needs. If we get him, it would be a similar role to the one he'd have in Miami. Dirk would( in my eyes) not lose too many stats. He could not comfortably score when he needs to, not needing to force a shot when given the ball with under 10 to go in the shot clock. Dirk will stay at 23ish PPG, with Lebron getting his 25-6 aswell. Here in Dallas he's have the hungry fans, (us =D =D) the run of the mill owner who would do anything to keep a smile on his face, a fantastic supporting cast, complete with a PG who would provide him with 2-3 great plays a night off amazing passes, not to mention another 5-6 scoring abilities on just average passes. He would have the scenario he needs. Even if we have to lose Dirk for him( I don't see it happening, but whatever this is just talk) we would still be great. Again, like the other 3, this provides him a chance to be the hero of the franchise, and go down as the one player who is the best ever, at this team.
Look at it this way, Lebron has a chance to make 1 team be "Lebron's team" for yeaarrss to come. Teams like LA and Boston don't have 1 guy to say "Dang, that was his team" but look at some of these.
In 20ish years, the Spurs will have been Duncan's team, as the Bulls are Jordan's. Etc. etc.
This is why the biggest chances remain with Cleveland. But Dallas has a shot, Another team in this scenario who might have a shot, is Utah. Ill leave you guys to come up with why, but i think maybe. He's play under Sloan, with Williams, with no shortage of a supporting cast, and a city who never took the big trophy.
Point being, he needs to go(or stay) in a place where he can be remembered as the greatest. As HUGE as (for example) Kobe Bryant is, image how much bigger he'd be if he'd have all those rings and great seasons with eh Kings, or Wizards, or any team who doesn't have a huge history. Just imagine. He's already an ICON with a team who had won countless titles prior to his birth.
GO Mavericks!
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I agree with all of the cities you said except LA
The Clippers has too much bad rep to attract James. Besides, its current owner is too cheap to make this team a championship contending team. During the past few seasons, the the management essentially traded people away in order to not pay luxury tax. Moreover, James will not stand to be the no.2 person in LA even for a short period of time (before he takes over), because of their success in their recent exploits, LA would always be synonymous to Kobe.
If not Dallas (of course who in this blog would not want him here; I hate him, but if this means Dirk winning a title, no problem for me), I would definitely want him to stay in Cleveland. What a legacy he will have if he wins a title there. And I know he will win at least one championship at some point of his career.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.
I'm a Clippers fan, so I am biased...
Clippers management has not traded anyone away so to not pay the luxury tax. Every trade they made was in an effort to shed salary for the 2010 summer free-agency, and to be able to offer LeBron the maximum possible contract (not to get below the salary cap). In the last few years, the Clippers have not been cheap. They’ve signed Baron Davis to a big deal, they resigned Chris Kaman, they signed Cuttino Mobley. Elton got away (thank God), but the Clippers tried to keep him, he just left. The Clippers have been at the Salary cap the last few years. They haven’t gone over the cap (you can only go over the cap to resign your current players, and which of their players has been worth resigning to go over the cap?). The Clippers also built one of the nicest practice facilities in the league recently, they are taking things seriously. In short, these aren’t your father’s Clippers. Donald Sterling still owns them, but they are a legitimate franchise now, and they have a lot of talent to surround LeBron with (Baron, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin, Kaman, 8th pick in the draft). I’m sorry to write all this, I just hate it when people dismiss the Clippers because they think they are still the same old Clippers. Anyone who really knows about them will tell you otherwise.
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It is not wrong especially if you have a solid argument. My bad though.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.
by Marjun Raposon on May 26, 2010 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I was actually rooting for the Clippers early in the season even though Griffin got injured
May be you only had a bad coach in Dunleavy? Your team has a bunch of talent, IMO, the only need is a coach who can blend those talents and make them play well as a team. You deserve better especially with a loyal fanbase.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.
by Marjun Raposon on May 26, 2010 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I appreciate that guys, you mavs fans are classy...
As a big fan of Chris Kaman I am inherently a fan of Dirk Nowitzki (his homie on the German national team), so I always wish the best for the Mavs. I hope that you all get to soon see a lot more Beaubois and a little less Barea. Also, congrats on enduring the Dampier era, I’m glad that contract could possibly turn into something awesome for you guys.
The Clips do have some talent (as flawed as that talent sometimes proves itself to be), and I am confident they will not totally suck some day, and what a day that will be :)
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Nice pic of Mr. Skinner, way to represent.
I believe he’s the only current pro in any sport from my high school (Temple). It’s funny to see him with the crazy goatee as he was completely straight-laced and nerdy looking back in the day.
YOU WENT TO TEMPLE HIGH SCHOOL?!?!?!?!
That’s awesome. My friends and I have been considering making a pilgrimage there to check out where the phenomenon that is BSkinnz began. Do you know if they retired his jersey?
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Haha, indeed.
I attended his bball camp prior to 9th grade and witnessed him abuse countless other middle schoolers (including my brothers) while playing for Immanuel Lutheran. He was typically a foot taller than everyone else on the court though.
Interesting read.
I agree with some of the things you said, but Kobe still better than LeBron? I don’t know about that. LeBron now reminds me of the Lakers teams cerca 2006, you know the one that lost in the first round of the playoffs. Kobe’s teammates are immeasurably better than LeBrons, and the importance of that in a supremely team game like basketball cannot be neglected. Every individual statistic suggests LeBron is a better player, and it’s hard not to argue that the Lakers now would be better with LeBron instead of Kobe.
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Wait....
the Dolphins went undefeated…so they have won it
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 25, 2010 3:23 AM CDT reply actions
DUDE?! The Back-to-Back Super Bowl Champion Dolphins ('72 & '73) would 'Csonka' your forgetful butt!
And this could create a Jordan-Pippen scenario
With DWade being Jordan, right? While I see Lebron as an unbelievable force in the NBA, DWade is the much more proven scorer down the stretch in the 4th quarter. Lebron still has his issues with winning in the playoffs and DWade simply pulled off probably the greatest NBA Finals MVP show of all time. (w/ a little help from his zebra friends, of course) But, I agree, it’d be a sight to see having those 2 guys together. Jordan-Jordan scenario maybe?
This is all assuming Wade is ok with the 2nd banana role
No way in heck. There ain’t enough (basket)balls to go around in the NBA, especially not for DWade. In a tight 4th quarter, it’s as if his Heat teammates didn’t exist. Most of the time, however, it works out pretty well for them. He is only 2ndary to Kobe in his ability to pull a win out of his arse. In theory, yeah, any bball player who really is about winning, would take a lesser salary and team up with an all-star crew. But, when’s the last time you saw that happen? They all wanna be the sole star AND win the title. Very few of them take less money or less role to do so.
Great post, Karim. I agree with a lot of your points ...
… but Lebron is like every other NBAer. MONEY is bigger than legacies & titles. He’ll shock us if he decides purely on what is most conducive for winning. You can’t guess what’s rattlin’ around in these superstars’ heads. However …
Agree on Chicago. Jordan & Da Bulls were so amazing, he’d pale in comparison. I’ve never heard him even hint there.
Nets are outta the picture too. He’s already done the start-from-scratch & surrounded-with-no-talent thing with the Cavs. Why do it worse with a 12-win team rebuilding project?
The Clippers? All anyone needs to know about this organization is right here. He knows the horror there. Plus, there’s no way he’d take being a 2nd fiddle in town. Beware, MFFLers. If Lebron goes to LA, it ain’t gonna be with the Clips.
The winningest option would be to go to the Heat to create the dynamic duo redux. If he decides he doesn’t want to be “The Man” in the 4th Qtr anymore, this is the place for him. NBA stars are full of pride. This won’t happen.
Don’t count out the Knicks, his dream destination, just yet. No past Knick great could compete with the iconic force that Lebron has become. But, if he’s frustrated bein’ in Cleveland, he better consider the inept Knicks ownership and the unforgiving nature of the NY media & fanbase. They will eat him alive when the opportunity arises.
His best bet is to be patient in Cleveland. They’ve proven a willingness to acquire talent to stack around him. The only problem there is that he’s already told the city, basically, “I don’t love you.” Sign & Trade his arse and be done already.
Now, if he won’t go to the Mavs, I’d love to see him go to Boston somehow. Don’t know how it would happen but I’d love to see Rondo, Lebron, & all those defensive bigs dominate. Yes, I’m a Celts fan when the Mavs aren’t playing.
Now, the only reason I see the Mavs as players is that (1) the NBA doesn’t make sense anymore, (2) Cuban has money, & (3) Cuban wants to win. Why come to an aging team with a short window of title opportunity? Who the heck knows. But there’s no reason we can’t all hope Big D strikes gold with King James.
In that Simmons argument, he is arguing that the Clippers are actually cursed...
like voodoo, or the curse of the babe, or some other-worldly stuff like that. If you think that is a strong argument, I’m not gonna waste too much time trying to convince you of anything different. Just remember what it was like when the Mavs were the league’s doormat. I’m sure you loved it when people said uninformed things about them.
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Don't be so offended, thinskin.
Your Clipper homerism is showing. The article is an interesting read, regardless of your vulnerable sensibilities. The curse / voodoo theme is obviously a humorous approach to the way he wrote it … but the years of bad decisions and bad luck are historical & undeniable. “Uninformed”?! You need to get informed, buddy. Yeah, I remember when the Mavs were at the bottom of the barrell & Finley, Nelson, & Cuban eventually pulled ’em out of it. However, they never had the decades-old run of bad luck that the Clips have had. Being a second-fiddle in your own town just makes it worse.
You don't give the 90s Bulls enough credit
The NBA was just as talented then as it is now, if not more. The Bulls were just that dominant. They would have gotten two more titles had MJ not decided to scratch his baseball itch. MJ, Scottie, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, Kerr…I’ll put my money on them against any team in NBA these days..
Ehh..
It’s not that the Bulls werent that good. It’s that talent wasnt that uniformed back then. Back then players truly cared about winning. yes winning, no their own success. If you bring that team into today, heres what would happen(Take note that these are players with the talent they had in the 90’s but with the MINDSETS of todays players)
Pippen has the skill to be the superstar of his own team, thus demanding a Max contract and leaving chicago. Kerr would be fishing in 10m a year and starting at PG for a team where he could put up 18 and 7ish numbers, and be a perennial allstar. Rodman would be a badboy artest like figure, and probably demand 8 or 9m a year for his rebounding, and maybe stick with teh bulls, but if he wanted he could be a star in his own team aswell, or get 10 or 12m if he went to a team that wanted to sell tickets.
Get the point? No 1 team could have this much talent because players are too selfish today! Back then, you had a guy like Jordan, and guys suddenly wanted to play alongside him and took role and paycuts. So teh bulls (thanks to jordan) were overpowered. Also, even if all that isnt true, most good teams nowadays have a 23-27ppg guy, and 2 or 3 others in the 15-18 ppg category. You didnt see that back then either. All jordan paced was a choke-happy Jazz team and Hakim the dream for a few years in Houston. He had some good opponents, but look at it this way
Jordan is the best player ever. Kobe is close to Jordans talent and success level. – just close, and he has 3 other guys that are believed to be better than Kobe. lebron, Durant, Wade. That’s the competition. The best player of THIS era has 3 guys that challenge him, while nobody could touch jordan back in the day. Sorry i got ranty but…
~Karim!
by KarimTheDream on Jun 10, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don’t know if I could be okay with LBJ coming to Dallas. For one thing I Really respect both the Boston and Chicago teams (I live in Illinois so of course I’m still a tiny bit of a Bulls fan) whom he has showed blatant disrespect for on more than one occasion. And for the record in case you haven’t ever been to Cleveland, Joakim Noah is correct, it truly does suck as a city. I don’t like the guy, his game is purely amazing true enough, but I’d hate to have my team associated with his piss-poor conduct. We get enough heat for Cuban and the stuff he does from time to time and I think LeBron being the somewhat brash self-important jackass that he is would only catch us more flak from the media and haters. LeBron is kinda coddled by the media, the league and Nike as well and in a way I think that would trivialize our winning a title with him. Sure it would be nice to give the league a reason to stop being so hard on us (we all know that Cuban pisses Stern off and we get penalized for it in ways other than Cubans fines) but it takes away from our would-be accomplishments too much IMO.
Lastly I’ll say this, and you’ll see me continuing to harp on this til’ something gets done about it. Rick Carlisle is a miserable excuse for a coach! Look, Cleveland has a team much like ours, based on the sum of it’s parts it should be a serious ass-kicking machine and probably should have gone far deeper in the playoffs but Mike Brown is a failure and he kinda buried them. So I think that as long as we have Carlisle, god himself could come down from on high, don a blue jersey and score 50 points and we would still find a way to lose.
by elbow greater than face on Jun 11, 2010 8:21 PM CDT reply actions

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