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Chris Bosh

What is so special about this guy? Everybody wants him to come "home," but I just don't see the appeal of adding another player that routinely settles for jump shots instead of driving to the hoop. Not only that, but we already have one of the best 4s in the game (and Bosh is no center). Also, is he really a top tier talent, alongside the likes of Dwyane Wade and LeBron James, worthy of a max contract? What do you guys think?

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BOSH NOT COMING TO DALLAS

BOSH WILL STAY IN TORONTO
LEBRON WILL STAY IN CLEVELAND
WADE WILL STAY IN MIAMI

by ray allen a mav on Jun 27, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

- No (Obviously)
- No (Most likely)
- Yes (Obviously)

by Why on Jun 28, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bosh will not stay in Toronto.

He already packed his back, he is heading to the airport, but he still has to decided where he will book his flight to: Chicago, Miami, New York, New Jersey, Houston or Dallas.

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Suns R Us on Jun 30, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

*bag, not back xP

"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!

by Suns R Us on Jun 30, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he is a max-contract value player

Obviously he isn’t on par with Lebron or may even Wade, but he is a top-ten player in the NBA right now. He doesn’t drive as much as we may hope, but he is very capable under the basket. He puts up 24/11 with very efficient shooting, which I believe makes him a good candidate underneath for most teams, just not as a full-time center. He’s also 26, meaning that a team signing him for a five-year max contract will get him in his prime years without having to pay the max for into his mid-30s.

However, he’s a rough fit for the Mavs. I think Mavs fans are excited about Bosh because they see him as the only one of the Big Three FAs this year who the Mavs could sign. This has to do more with the seeming unavailability of Lebron and Wade, rather than any indications that Bosh will play for Dallas (he has made it pretty clear that this isn’t a big desire of his). If we somehow did sign him, he and Dirk would have to rotate as quasi-centers, hoping that the defensive downgrade would be made up by offensive performance.

In another world in which Bosh was willing to come to Dallas and willing to be a full-time 5, he would be a great sign. However, it seems very, very, unlikely that the stars will align on this one.

by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Jun 27, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

You may have read this already

But I unfortunately ran into this after making my long post. It makes my point in a much better way.

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3177

by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Jun 27, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

he's probably not coming here

but to answer some of your points:

I just don’t see the appeal of adding another player that routinely settles for jump shots instead of driving to the hoop.

There’s a big difference between being able to make a jump shot and “settling” for one. Bosh has averaged at least 8 free throw attempts per game each of the last five seasons, and Dwight Howard is the only big in the NBA who gets to the line more frequently, so it should be blatantly obvious that he can and does drive to the basket. A lot.

Also, is he really a top tier talent, alongside the likes of Dwyane Wade and LeBron James, worthy of a max contract?

Is he as good as LeBron or Wade? Maybe not…but those are arguably the two best players in the league. He’s definitely an All-Star, and his numbers the last five years stack up pretty well with just about any power forward in the game’s history. He’s efficient, can score inside and outside, has a great post game, rebounds, handles the ball extremely well for a guy his size, gets to the line, and he’ll throw in some blocks and steals for good measure. He’s not perfect, but he’s a top 10 player, so if that translates to an elite, max-contract guy then yes, that’s absolutely what he is.

Not only that, but we already have one of the best 4s in the game (and Bosh is no center).

Bosh was the de-facto center last year for Toronto, but this is a fair point, and one that’s been made often…and probably also the big reason he’s unlikely to come here. There have been reports that he doesn’t want to play center again, and that would likely be what would happen if he was a Mav.

by Alan Smithee on Jun 27, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's the lastest rumor on him (and James)

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/6/27/1540459/lebron-leaning-toward-bulls-with

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

by Marjun Raposon on Jun 28, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Cuban apparently would want him

All he does is add talent, but isn’t a fit. In the end, if he isn’t a fit, we’re not champions, you need to have more talent than we do to just add him and expect it to work.

He’s a great player, just not right for this team.

by Why on Jun 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Why on earth isn't Wade a fit?

Do we have a superstar 2 somewhere on the roster I haven’t seen yet?

by nivarsity on Jun 30, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

The title of this post is Chris Bosh and the above posts were mostly about Bosh, yet somehow you thought of this to referring to Wade.. Strange.

by Why on Jun 30, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

wow things are getting odd on this here site..

by LJRotter on Jun 30, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm

Does the name DESHAWN STEVENSON ring a bell???

The man is a surefire lock for the Hall of Fame.

by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Jul 4, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well if you ask Donnie, Cuban and Carlisle

They’ll tell you, with a straight face, Jason Eugenio Terry.

by mg4tx on Jul 4, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a lot of conflicting thoughts on this situation

part of me says “go all in for LeBron or Wade; if we don’t get one, just roll as-is”

Part of me says “if we can’t get the first two, definitely go after Bosh and Johnson as hard as possible.” The part of me says that is the one that realizes that Dirk is a once-in-a-lifetime-player and that we have to give it one final shot. I think doing something – i.e. Bosh or Johnson – is much better than doing nothing if this is our goal. I am NOT in for trading Dirk, etc. for future chips. I just don’t think we’ll ever get a chance as good as this one.

So rolling with that assumption, if we have to sell Bosh on 10 mpg at the C position and 20 mpg at a hybrid PF position with Dirk out of the game or tandem, to get him to come here, sell it. Bosh is DEFINITELY a top 10 player; and along with Dirk, with a capable PG and some very good talent surrounding these guys (Roddy; Marion would obviously stay here, Terry probably, and Butler may or may not have to go), I think we can definitely make that work.

Option B would be Joe Johnson. He’s a better fit, if we have Haywood back and sign another C; he shoots VERY well, and can run some point; and he’d be the first natural SG in both size and shooting capabilities we’ve had in a LONG time.

People are sour on chances of landing LeBron and Wade. People are sour on Bosh and Joe Johnson. Well, what else can we do? And I personally think we have as good of a shot at LeBron as anybody outside of Cleveland. We have the trade chips and the supporting cast in place, and Cuban/Jerry Jones put on a show for him this past year.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 28, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

My thoughts on the Summer to be

Of the labeled top 3, Bron-bron, DWade and Bosh, I tdoubt we get any of those 3. I do think we could get Joe Johnson but if we are looking at it, how much of an upgrade would he be over Caron Butler and Roddy B? Which would probably be what we would have to give up, the reasoning is that Robby B is coveted and Atlanta will probably want Caron rather than Damp’s cap relief also, Damp’s cap relief IMO can swing us a starting capable bench player, not like JJ Barea or Najera that we had last year. To me I would hope that we could somehow swing deals to get 2 players without giving up Roddy, not that I think Roddy is going to become Rondo overnight but because he has potential and I for one don’t want to see the Mavs tank after Dirk finally retires.
If I could have my way out team would be, realistically of course
Kidd-Roddy
Joe Johnson – JET – Dom Jones
Marion – Travis Outlaw
Dirk – Gooden
Haywood

the rest are pretty much spare parts anyways with Gooden getting some C minutes and Marion getting some PF minutes

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jun 28, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a pretty solid and realistic lineup right there

Of course it’d be great to have Wade or LeBron here instead of Joe Johnson, but still. I would sign a young backup center and make some trades (JJB, DeShawn, Nájera, JET please!) for more depth because age would still be a concern. Hopefully Carlisle doesn’t play Jason Kidd for 40 freakin’ minutes every two nights. I say 25-30 minutes to have him in one piece for the playoffs. Of course if we got one of LBJ, Wade or JJ, Kidd wouldn’t be so important for the team. We saw what happened when Pop put the pressure on him.

Of course if we don’t get any of them, there’s always David Lee or Al Jefferson. Or /sarcasm/ Luol Deng /end sarcasm/.

by mg4tx on Jun 28, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congratulations. Your team has been bounced out of the Western Conference Finals!

That’s the best I see for that roster.

by Why on Jun 29, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. The Lakers are too strong for that lineup right now.

We need to upgrade our frontcourt quality and/or depth (the C spot).

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

by Marjun Raposon on Jun 30, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially if the Lakers can get a sign and trade with Bosh and Toronto for Bynum

by Why on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is correct...

And I’m still wondering why we dumped that Alibi or what the heck ever his name was…oh and not to forget we bought another guard for some reason…

But anyway, back on topic now. The following are simple facts:
1. We need a center.
2. Chris Bosh is not a center.
3. Chris Bosh does not want to be a center.
4. Chris Bosh is a power forward.
5. Dirk is a better power forward than Bosh.

We have no use for Bosh with the lineup we have, yeah he’s good but he’s gonna’ be expensive and we don’t need him. We need to focus on a replacement for Jet, look for another center and/or add a stout defensive stopper or two.

by elbow greater than face on Jul 1, 2010 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

so u think we have a shot at who?? Lebron, DWade, Bosh?? No one knows whats going to happen during the season, wasn’t it supposed to be Lebron vs Kobe in the finals… don’t write the team off without even seeing them together and that team has upgraded its number 2 scorer in Johnson and severely upgraded the bench just by not having Najera and Barea getting good minutes

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jun 30, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

and doubtful the Lakers do anything this year

always possible cuz well they the Lakers and if they get Bosh, really no team can match with them, he is an upgrade over Bynum and isn’t always 1bad move away from an injury

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jun 30, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s called being a realist. Call me negative or whatever, but this team has to change if you want to win. Joe Johnson is the same impact as Butler to me. A little better regular season, maybe second round or so in the playoffs, then bounced out.

We dumped Alibi or whatever his name was because he’s not ready now to be good, and we’re trying to win now.

by Why on Jul 1, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me our bench is what is holding us back

In the playoffs we are relying on Jet, who despite putting up good regular season numbers has been a complete waste of minutes and has been lighting up the court w/ bricks. Barea makes other PGs look good and Najera well, is kinda useless. Damp sadly was probably our best player (that got minutes) in terms of overall effectiveness in last years playoffs and his claim to fame is standing in the middle of things, that is how bad our bench was. We need 2 players to add to Roddy B on the bench that aren’t a major liability in 1 area. I think Travis Outlaw would be a great pickup, he is a guy on a good night can put up 15 points and is pretty active defensively but isn’t horrible at either on a bad night. I was hoping Gooden could fill the backup PF/ spot Center minutes but since he has agreed its time to look elsewhere and I have some high hopes that Roddy gets most of Jets minutes next year and I’m looking at the trade for Haywood and Butler similar to the Kidd trade, the first year we underwhelmed while the next year we go further than originally thought we can, I’m an optimist but still trying to look at it realistically and while yes the Lakers can beat us it doesn’t always mean they will

by nicholas.rodriguez on Jul 1, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno man

So what if Alibi wasn’t “ready to be good” when we basically have nothing for that position? I’d take “decent” over “nothing” any day of the week. Look at Fesenko for the Jazz, can Alibi be that bad? Seriously?

by elbow greater than face on Jul 2, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meaning he’s not ready to play in the NBA, I believe he’ll be sent to Europe. I mean Hasheem Thabeet is like him, guess where he is? He couldn’t play in the NBA for Memphis…

by Why on Jul 3, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes but....

we don’t have anything else. Erica needs to be traded and that leaves only Haywood. In addition it’s not like competent bigs are readily available, or any bigs that don’t want a max deal for that matter…

by elbow greater than face on Jul 3, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade obviously. You don’t put a guy not ready to play in the NBA in a significant role on a win-now team. They have to find a way to get a big man as cheap as possible.

by Why on Jul 4, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes but...

There really aren’t any true bigs that are available.

by elbow greater than face on Jul 4, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then we’re not going to win. If we are a championship team, then our GM should find a way to get done. You are resorting to a team of mediocrity, and I’m personally tired of that. Might as well start trading everyone if that’s what we’re going to be.

by Why on Jul 5, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

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