Are The Mavericks & Chris Paul a Match Made in Heaven?

by Bryan Gutierrez on Jul 22, 2010 5:36 PM CDT

The LeBron James story carried through the NBA regular season and the post-season culminating in "The Decision." Just when you thought things would start to die down in the NBA, a new storyline has emerged: Does Chris Paul actually want out of New Orleans? If that is the case, do the Mavericks actually have a chance of obtaining him?

ESPN.com has reported that the idea of Chris Paul demanding to be traded out of New Orleans is very real. The Hornets are a franchise in disarray and the thought is Paul doesn't want to wait around to see the finished product with overhaul of the front office and coaching staff.

It has been reported by various sources that over the past several months, the Mavericks have been in constant communication with the Hornets to discuss the availability of Chris Paul. Dallas had their sights set on LeBron, Wade and Joe Johnson via free agency but they have always looked at Paul as another blockbuster move they could make. Dallas made numerous offers and New Orleans would not budge. Once the "final conversation" was made and it was established they were not interested in moving Paul, Dallas decided to move on and pursue their deal with Charlotte to obtain Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca. The situation has now changed dramatically with the news that Paul wants out of the Bayou.

New Orleans Perspective

The Hornets would ultimately love to keep Chris Paul. He's the face of the franchise and he puts fans in the arena. The problem is New Orleans is clearly not a basketball town, the Saints own the city. The market is close to bottoming out for the Hornets and they're losing money in a huge way. That's going to make it very difficult for them to find a running mate that Chris Paul would likely desire to join him in New Orleans. They do have young pieces like Darren Collison and Marcus Thorton that could be new building blocks for the future. David West is still in the mix as a power forward that can be a viable piece of the future. New Orleans would ask for an arm and a leg in return for Paul and they're likely to get it if they put him on the trading block.

Everyone will want Paul, but the short list of preferred teams appears to be New York, Orlando, Portland and Dallas. The Mavericks still have the ability to offer a solid proposal to New Orleans, despite not having Dampier's instant-expiring contract.

Assets Dallas has at their Disposal

Expiring contracts: Caron Butler, Tyson Chandler, DeShawn Stevenson and JJ Barea

Cheap talent: Roddy Beaubois, Dominique Jones, Ian Mahinmi and Alexis Ajinca

Misc. Money and future 1st round draft picks

While Dampier's contract was the biggest piece Dallas had to offer to New Orleans, the new set of assets does prove to be just as enticing to New Orleans if they wanted to bite on it. Dallas will have to offer a majority of those assets but they likely won't have to deal all of them. The condition with Chandler and/or Ajinca is that they will not be able to be put in a packaged deal for 60 days, per NBA rules.

The Arm and the Leg

New Orleans would ask for an arm and a leg in return for trading Paul.

The Arm: salary relief, talent and misc.

The Leg: The trade partnet will be taking on bloated contracts.

The bloated contracts would be in the form of big man, Emeka Okafor and wing player, James Posey. Okafor's deal has roughly 52 million dollars left over 4 years, while Posey's has roughly 13.5 million dollars left over 2 years. That would be a heck of a change to the current payroll going forward. It's likely going to take absorbing those contracts in order to get Paul.

A Proposed Deal?

It's hard to imagine that Dallas would be able to get away obtaining Chris Paul without giving up Roddy Beaubois. Dallas would likely include him in the deal because Paul is an elite player and if he was a free agent during this summer, Paul would have been on the short list (with LeBron and Wade) in terms of a player being worthy of trading Beaubois. Dallas would likely have to ship out all of their expiring contracts as well, throw in one or two future first round picks and cash considerations. New Orleans would ship Paul and likely both Okafor and Posey.

New Look Mavericks?

Point Guard: Chris Paul, Jason Kidd

Shooting Guard: Jason Terry, Dominique Jones

Small Forward: Shawn Marion, James Posey

Power Forward: Dirk Nowitzki, Ian Mahinmi

Centers: Brendan Haywood, Emeka Okafor

Dirk would finally have his legitimate second star in Chris Paul and there could easily be moments where you see Paul and Kidd on the floor at the same time. You're very thin at the shooting guard position but role players are much easier to find as opposed to finding an established Robin to your Batman. Dallas has been looking for years to find a sidekick for Dirk.

The time-table for such a move is likely not in the near future, especially from Dallas' perspective. As mentioned, Chandler and Ajinca can't be in a packaged deal for nearly a month and a half. New Orleans is not in a major rush to make a deal and they will still try to do their best to make a solid pitch to keep Paul in New Orleans. The wait now beings in search of the end game to the Chris Paul story.

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As far as teams Paul

prefers to go to, Dallas is not in on them. Dallas is on the “list” of teams where Paul could go and would be a good fit. However, if it comes down to what he wants, Dallas has no real shot.

That being said, i love the idea! Getting CP3 would be incredible. We would almost surely lose Beaubois, Butler, and picks and cash. Also included could be Chandler or Haywood, but if either of those 2 left we would surely get a big in return, and according to your projected lineup it would be Okafor.

So basically it would be (guardwise) Roddy and Butler for Paul, which im very okay with, seeing as the other minutes overlap to JJ Barea(I dont see them wanting Barea if they get Butler and Roddy…) Terry and most importantly, Dojo! Also, the other section of the trade would be (bigman-wise) Chandler or Haywood for Okafor, which makes me a very happy man.

We might need to find a legitimate SG after this, but I’m still happy. We would be real contenders. And after all, when we have that talent, who know what aging stars will come here for cheap.

If we can do it, go for it!

~Karim!

by KarimTheDream on Jul 22, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions

re:

However, if it comes down to what he wants, Dallas has no real shot.

What are you basing that on?

by Alan Smithee on Jul 22, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I think he's talking about CP3's 3-team preferred trade list

If it comes down to that, then he will be on the Lakers, Magic, or Knicks. I doubt this will factor in one bit, but if it does, we don’t get him.

by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Jul 22, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Pauls list

Based on most reports, is knicks-magic-blazers-mavs. It does sound like new york is his first choice, but apparently dallas is on his radar, and the hornets surely are not unfamiliar with cubans overatures.

So, I’m puzzled what makes karim say that.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Yep..

The Mavericks are one of the four teams on Paul’s list, not an ESPN-created list, if you believe the sources of Chris Broussard.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 23, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions

interesting. the original article I read said we weren't on his list.

Mike Fisher changed his song. Here’s the first one:
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3344
… and here’s his revised one.
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=3347
Not Karim’s fault… the list changed.

by LJRotter on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions

When I read the first ESPN and NBA.com reports

Chris Paul did not mention the Mavericks on his preferred list. However the Mavs were on the list of the teams most likely to get him, as well as on the list of teams who can offer the best trade.

But like I said, when I read the first report, which was about 15 minutes after the article surfaced on ESPN.com we were not on HIS list.

I apologize for not updating my post as the story updated.

~Karim!

by KarimTheDream on Jul 23, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Nah its all good.

I actually never saw the initial report. I only caught it after we were on Paul’s list.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 23, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

I missed the option on the poll of "DUH."

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jul 22, 2010 10:04 PM CDT reply actions

well......

…….. IIRC you can take Chandler and Ajinca off that list because they can’t be traded with another player

by blueballlefty on Jul 22, 2010 11:24 PM CDT reply actions

It clearly states

in the article that those two can’t be traded, per NBA rules. It says it in there twice.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Jul 22, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions

With my GM hat on,.......

My first offer would be. Jason Terry, Roddy Beaubois or both with a 2nd round pick for Chris Paul. I’d keep my big fellas. That leaves us with Chris Paul, Jason KIdd, Caron Butler, and Dominique Jones on a sliding rotation in the back court.. I’m not too cool with their front court. I’d have to take some draft picks, or a pass. Then work from there.

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by robbo24 on Jul 22, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions

Uh

No offense, but that sounds like a very short phone call that likely eliminates the possibility of future phone calls.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

None taken,.......Like I said that'd be my first offer.

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions

but

that offer might be bad enough to guarantee you wouldn’t get the chance to make a second offer.

As I said below, Dallas has dealt with New Orleans before about Paul, in talks that included Butler, Damp’s contract, and a boatload of picks, as just a starting point. To offer anything close to what you propose wouldn’t just be a lowball offer, it would be a huge step back from their last proposal.

In an auction, you don’t bid 100 grand for the vintage Rolls Royce, then bid 2 grand.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions

just one more quick couple of points

I think it’s a pretty safe assumption that Jason Terry is nigh untradable, or, at the very least, not a piece used in anything short of a salary dump. New Orleans would be looking to lose salary, not take it on, and certainly not for a guy who’s game is declining and is becoming increasingly overpaid. So, put it in the 99 percentile that Terry does not go in any deal involving Paul.

Bryan outlines Dallas’ assets pretty well in the main post. I would assume, as a basic framework, any kind of offer must contain expiring contracts, picks, and likely cheap talent as well(meaning either Roddy or DoJo). There’s just no way anything short of that has any chance of getting Paul, and it would probably be insulting to assume otherwise. It’s a franchise altering kind of move. JET and a 2nd rounder doesn’t belong in the discussion.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Offers

You usually make a low-ball offer initially and build from there, which is what you’re doing in a sense. With an established history between these two teams in regards to talking about Paul and his importance to our roster…you simply can’t mess around. Give them your best pitch and live with the results.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Jul 23, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions

You also have to think about what the other teams on the list could offer

I’m not very familiar with the those teams’ assets. Could you expand on that on another post?

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by chrisR on Jul 23, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Just for conversation sake

I’m taking Portland out of the mix and just mentioning Orlando and NY.

Apparently NY is willing to throw everyone except Amare into the mix to get Paul. New York is still under the cap, so technically the salaries don’t have to match up. For us, it would have to match because we are over the cap. New York is in the same spot we are in though because most of their assets are locked up until a later date because of trades. They have Eddy Curry’s expiring contract (11 mil) and some talent around them. The problem is “the arm and leg” theory I discussed. If they have to absorb those big contracts that might take them out of the running for Carmelo next summer…

Orlando, they’ve got talent to throw at NO. Vince Carter’s deal could be expiring via team option (17 mil). They can also package Jameer Nelson and Marcin Gortat or Brandon Bass. The problem is why would NO absorb Nelson, Gortat and/or Bass because their contracts are all at least 2-3 years additional, while VCs deal is expiring.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Jul 23, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Portland

seems, in my estimation, to be the real threat as a team that could offer a significant package of young talent. I think if they decide they really want Paul, he’ll be their’s.

As for New York, a perusal of their salary breakdown doesn’t make me think they’re in the same spot as Dallas. They have a lot of cap space and plenty of expirings, as well. I do think that a Paul trade would likely gut their team, though. Running it through the trade machine, the only two-team deal I see as possible is something like Azabuike, Chandler, Curry, Gallinari, Randolph and picks for Paul and Okafor(this is the only trade I could find that was reasonable and where the salary matched up). New York would assume about five million in extra salary, putting them right at the cap and, as you mentioned, very likely out of the running for Carmelo.

It would also leave them with about 8 guys under contract, and just Bill Walker as a wing. I suppose if they waited until December 15th, they could include Raymond Felton and take back Posey, also. Still, you basically have Paul, Amare, Okafor and not much else(Tony Douglas and Bill Walker are nice young players but hardly proven starters). Even assuming they can add one or two solid vets with the MLE and/or BAE, is that a playoff team, let alone a serious contender?

Orlando, and I may be off base or ignorant on this, is the team that seems like by far the worst fit as a trade partner. Aside from Carter, they can’t offer any salary relief, and I’m not sure why New Orleans would want Nelson, Gortat or Bass, given they’re owed collectively close to $60 million over the next three years. Nelson is a nice player, but would be somewhat redundant in New Orleans(and expensive redundancy at that), and I suppose the biggest wildcard would be how highly New Orleans would value Gortat and Bass, two fairly unproven players who are being paid like rotation regulars.

Paul would be a great fit with the Magic, though. Spot up shooters galore and a guy to finish in the paint. Orlando might be my pick to win it all if they get CP3.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions

you really have to make the best offer first

simply because this is a team the Dallas brass has been in talks with for a long, long time, and for the most part the deal they made then will be about the same as the one they’ll make now, presumably with Chandler in place of Dampier.

If you’re a cynic, you might say that fact doesn’t bode well for the Mavs. We’ll just have to hope that the deal stalled before because the previous management was rigid in its refusal to deal Paul, and that with a new GM and some “encouragement” from the player himself, a deal now is more palatable.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions

You may make an initial low ball offer.

Me on the other hand. I would place together a package that’s attractive enough to get the conversation started. Just a first offer either yea or nay.

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions

your offer above

would not get any conversation started, except perhaps one pertaining to your sanity.

They’re not just giving away the guy. They’re trading their best player, one of the best players in the league, and the face of their franchise.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't happen to agree with you or your commentary. Besides what's the worse that could happen?

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions

the worse that could happen

is they could say “that’s a terrible offer” and not think Dallas is serious about a trade. They could think “why would you offer so much a month ago and so little now?” They could simply hang up the phone and not answer again. Who knows. It doesn’t really matter, anyway.

Let’s focus on this: Terry or Roddy + a 2nd round pick for Paul is not a good deal for the Hornets. At all. It’s a terrible deal for the Hornets. Everyone in both front offices knows that. It is highly, highly improbable that such a deal would even occur to either party.

Terry has a bad contract, given his age and skillset. He’s owed a lot of money over several years, and considering the reports that the Hornets are desperate to unload another bad contract in Okafor, it wouldn’t make any sense to want to take one back. He is not in the trade discussion, nor should he be.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Say for instance you were the Hornets GM,........

Since the initial offer is not acceptable. What do you propose as a counter? That meets the needs of your team with this trade.

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions

I doubt that,........

If in fact that’s how they feel. Then they would propose a good faith counter offer instead of a nonsensical insult. That is if they were sincere about getting a deal done.

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions

If the Hornets GM takes that deal

would that be the shortest tenure ever for a GM in history?

by chrisR on Jul 23, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions

Maybe the Hornets didn't budge

because we can’t offer what they want. Why would they want to deal with us when they want bigs, not smalls? Why would they want Roddy when they’re set in the backcourt for years? They have Collison and Head at PG and Thornton and 1st-rounder Pointdexter at SG. Don’t people research what they other team needs before proposing deals?

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by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions

they almost certainly didn't budge

because trading Paul would mean trading the best player in franchise history, and that’s never any easy thing to come to grips with.

However, this was before Jeff Bower left, and before this “Paul wants out” story hit the national airwaves.

Every team wants bigs…but how many young, talented frontcourt players on are the market? Generally, if you have a young big with upside, you aren’t trading him.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

That's great but

still doesn’t answer my question as to why they would want to deal with us when the only good young players we can offer are Roddy and DoJo and they already are loaded with good young backcourt guys in Collison, Thornton, and 1st-round pick Poindexter and they have a solid backup PG in Head.

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by stupidsexyflanders on Jul 23, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions

re:

still doesn’t answer my question as to why they would want to deal with us when the only good young players we can offer are Roddy and DoJo and they already are loaded with good young backcourt guys in Collison, Thornton, and 1st-round pick Poindexter and they have a solid backup PG in Head.

“Loaded” is a pretty strong term. They have some talent, sure, but Collison and Thornton were rookies last year, and neither were top 20 picks. Thornton is a guy that, while I like, is questionable as a starter in the league, as most metrics and my own observations lead me believe he is anywhere from below average to awful defensively(which, with his lack of size, might explain why he was a early 2nd round pick). Quincy Pondexter has yet to play a minute of NBA basketball and comes into the pros with major questions about his skill(jumpshot and ballhandling) level, despite being a 4 year senior.

So if your argument is that the Hornets have such an abundance of talent at the guard spots that they wouldn’t find any interest in cheap young players like Roddy or DoJo, then I don’t think I agree. However, to rephrase my previous point, that isn’t necessarily the issue. Would the Hornets prefer frontcourt talent? Probably, but if that isn’t there to be had, and it may not be, then I don’t think they just stop taking calls.

Furthermore, I don’t think anyone has claimed that the feature of a deal for Paul coming to Dallas would be the young talent going back. Frankly, I don’t see that being a feature for any potential trade partner(of the four supposedly on his list), with the exception of maybe Portland. The feature(s) would be that the Mavericks can put together a $30 million dollar package of expiring salary, while simultaneously taking back a couple of bad contracts, the most obvious being the $52 mil owed to Emeka Okafor over the next four seasons. That adds up to an enormous amount of payroll relief. Roddy/Dojo and picks would be the sweetener.

Paul doesn’t have to be traded, of course, and if New Orleans really wants to keep him that’ll be the end of it. However, if your star is disgruntled and you know your team isn’t going to be competing for titles any time soon, why not try to get out of salary cap hell and add some nice players/picks in the process, rather than let him leave in two years for nothing? Dallas offers a nice reset button, and potentially the most attractive one, depending on what they think of the Knicks young core and whether or not Portland decides to seriously put some chips on the table.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes yes yes hell yes!

It just seems too dreamy to happen!

by chrisR on Jul 23, 2010 1:01 AM CDT reply actions

Orlando and New York are his top choices, followed by Dallas and Portland. I’d say Orlando has the greatest chance right now, followed by Dallas. They both can offer packages.

by Why on Jul 23, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions

The Proposed Deal

I think you either give up Butler or Roddy, but you don’t give up both. Spice it up with first rounders and expiring contracts, don’t give away two important players unless we have to.

by Why on Jul 23, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions

what does Orlando offer

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions

What would you offer?,.........

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions

if I'm Orlando?

Well, Bryan and I discuss what Orlando has to offer a little bit above. My guess, which is obviously subject to change, is that Carter goes, as he’s the one guy who can come off the books next year. He’s probably packaged with picks, and some or all of Jameer Nelson, Marcin Gortat, Brandon Bass, and Daniel Orton. Maybe Pietrus, who has a player option for next year and is fairly inexpensive for a rotation guy.

That deal obviously has some (relatively) young big men included, which could help the Hornets, but it remains to be seen if the front office is really high on Gortat and Bass, who have never played 20 minutes a night in any season and are owed a decent chunk of change for several years. It’s far from a given that either guy would project to be a major contributor on the next Hornets contender, and if not, taking on their contracts kind of defeats the purpose of a “salary dump”.

Unless they really love Orton, I’m not really seeing what makes Orlando a good trade partner for New Orleans. Maybe they like Gortat, but he’s an awfully big gamble to take back, since he’s under contract for so long…they also already had Brandon Bass on the team, and let him go, so I doubt they view him as a big piece of the puzzle.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 23, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Wow,......Seems you're willing to give up a lot for Chris Paul.

I can see everything but the Marcin Gortat, and Brandon Bass part of it. That might be a bit too much. Other than that I don’t have a problem with. That’s if I were Otis Smith. He spent a lot of money to snatch both from the Mavericks a year earlier. Then to send them away for one player? Hmmmmmm,……… Then again you never know.

by robbo24 on Jul 23, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Chris Paul had something like 18 win shares in 08-09

His face stats, when healthy, are tremendous at 19/11 with nearly three steals a game. He turns it over very little for a point guard, his AST% is in the stratosphere, he can knock down a three when given the opportunity, he plays top-notch perimeter defense, both on-the-ball and in the passing lanes. When healthy, he’s the best point guard in the league bar none. Maybe Rondo.

I don’t see how Orlando has the assets New Orleans want, unless they’re willing to take up every bad contract the Hornets have.

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by jonthefon on Jul 24, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions

According to Chris Broussard. Chris Paul is putting The Magic at the head of his wish list.

I’m sure Chris Paul will make the right decision.

by robbo24 on Jul 25, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Gortat, Vince Carter’s expiring contract, Jamneer Nelson.

That’s pretty enticing.

by Why on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions

I dont see why

Gortat is owed a lot of money. Youre banking on him being a quality starting center for the next five years, which is what hes being paid like, despite never proving it. Trading okafor to get gortat back is somewhere between questionable and lunacy, depending on your perspective.

Jameer nelson isnt cheap either, and isnt a great fit if the idea is to hand the reigns to collison.

I’m not necessarily saying dallas has the best hand to play, but matching up asset against asset, the only advantage i see for new orleans would be trading paul to the east. Which i cant imagine is a really important consideration.

Chandler is arguably the better center over gortat, and regardless, he comes off the books next year, as do butler and stevenson. With gortat nelson, youre inheriting an expensive chunk of longterm salary, and getting two guys that likely arent starters on the next contending hornet ballclub.

by Alan Smithee on Jul 24, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Trade caron

Trade caron and terry to get paul,,,,and try to sign josh howard or tracy macgrady, rasheed wallace and eddie house to fill in the missing hole

by NEWHEATFAN6 on Jul 23, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions

I don’t see them wanting to take Terry’s contract.

by Why on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions

Ridiculous as it may seem, I’m much happier with the idea of trading Roddy B. for Paul than I am with parting with DoJo. A player who attacks the rim, plays solid defense and makes free throws is a rare asset.

I’d personally hope to unload Kidd in the Paul deal, but pretty much whatever N.O wants short of Dirk and both Roddy and DoJo.

by HawkeyedFrog on Jul 24, 2010 2:11 AM CDT reply actions

Yeah if we get Paul, then I rather have DoJo on the team than Roddy.

by Why on Jul 24, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions

Okay. We all know 2 things about this trade

1. The Hornets won’t give him up except for a lot.
2. The Dallas front office budges too easily. We have a history of trading too much, and in my opinion, call em names if you wish, but Dallas Front office is maybe looked at as a pushover. Look at all the picks we gave for Kidd. Or All we gave up for… Tyson Chandler.

not trying to insult Dallas but it seems we always give up too much in a trade and get pushed around.

That being the case, i think this would be a decent offer, which both makes the Hornets better, Or not as bad off i should say, and also fits in the criteria of Dallas giving up too much is this..

Now this is the MAIN people. Include a pick or two or cash considerations or a few benchwarmers for contract sake.. okay? Remember i said that before you reply

Paul and Okafor, for Butler, Roddy B, Chandler, JJ Barea(ONLY if they want him. They could trade him off to another team, but the point is JJ is really not a bad player..) Picks, and cash considerations.

By Picks i mean give up good picks. If we get Paul, with a Paul-Nowitzki core with Haywood and Marion for defence and Kidd off the bench along with Terry and Dojo, we could contend for a championship. We wouldn’t need picks and a future. Thsi is giving the Hornets more than they deserve for Paul, making them happy.

Just for conversation sake give them another young big, maybe Mahimni or Ajinca.

~Karim!

by KarimTheDream on Jul 24, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Washington deal

You do remember the Washington deal right?
We didn’t budge on our stance and made them throw in more…that package was forced by Cuban.

I wouldn’t even consider the Marion deal to be bad by any stretch of the imagination as well.

Kidd deal, obviously debatable but it’s not like even our immediate history fully suggests we bend and break.

by Bryan Gutierrez on Jul 24, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions

We gave up

Money, Devean George, and Antoine Wright(he was a decent 2 guard. decent) and in return for Shawn Marion in an aweful deal. This guy is overpaid. What does he bring to Dallas? His defense is solid at best. On offense he only scores when found wide open by Kidd, or when teams focus too much on our other weapons.

He’s good on the transition, I’ll give him that. But he’s not worth what we gave for him OR what we could have for that much money and the amount of minutes he consumes.

I would consider the Marion dead a bad one. And not by a stretch at all. We got an aging all star at best. In his prime Marion was great. He was a good fit in Toronto. Not here in Dallas. Others, heck, even everyone else may disagree but i would rather have Wright George and the money back for Marion. We could trade them for anyone else. No way I keep that trade.

~Karim!

by KarimTheDream on Jul 25, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions

The Washington deal

was a good one. A GREAT one. I’ll give them that. But 1 good deal doesn’t mean all that much. Butler wanted out of Washington. When a player wants to leave you have to give him up for less than his value. if Paul wanted to stay in New Orleans and he got traded anyways, The Hornets could get almost anyone in the league, barring maybe 10 guys.

And the deal for Tyson Chandler was rushed, and not the right one. It’s good in the sense that we get the Dust chip back(almost) next year when Tyson expires, but by next year our window will close a lot more. Maybe just be cracked open. Add in how much better some teams will inevitably get next offseason and I can guarantee without trading for a top 20 player we will NOT win a championship. We might win 45-55 games and have the illusion of contending. But I’m tired of that.

~Karim!

by KarimTheDream on Jul 25, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions