The Myth Surrounding Late Late First Round Picks
Over this past off season and throughout the Summer League, a lot of people began to be excited about the future prospects of Rodrigue Beaubois (extending from last season) and Dominique Jones. Now as any NBA analyst would point out, these guys have very little experience and are unproven as late first round picks. The experience part is hard to argue, but the theory that late first round picks are often shoot and miss and will often turn out unsuccessful is interesting to look at.
Now, in the following section, you’ll find all the picks from #20 to the end of the first round for the drafts from 2000-2007. I have left out the past three drafts because it is still too early to tell how the players will turn out. As for the lists, make sure to take note that the potential future All-Stars and Solid Contributors are all in my opinion, but are all players that have produced decent numbers in at least a few seasons for multiple teams.
2000 – Soeedy Claxton, Morris Peterson, Donnel Harvey, Deshawn Stevenson, Dalibor Bagaric, Jake Tsakalidis, Mamadou N’Diaye, Primoz Brezec, Erick Barkley, Mark Madsen
All-Stars: None
Potential Future All-Stars: None
Solid Contributors: Claxton, Peterson, Stevenson
“Hit” Rate – 3/10
Verdict: The biggest headline out of this draft may have been Madsen because of his dancing at Lakers’ Championship Parades. Claxton, Peterson and Stevenson have done s solid jobs on winning teams in the past, but other than that, it’s hard to find anyone who made a solid impact in the NBA. Of the remaining players, Harvey, Tsakalidas and Brezec played the best in the NBA, but outside of Brezec’s few starting seasons in
2001- Brendan Haywood, Joseph Forte, Jeryl Sasser, Brandon Armstrong, Raul Lopez, Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert, Jamaal Tinsley, Tony Parker
All-Stars: Parker and Wallace
Other Potential Future All-Stars: None
Solid Contributors: Haywood, Dalembert, Tinsley
“Hit” Rate – 5/9
Verdict: A very good end to the first round. Parker and Wallace were obvious steals while Haywood, Dalembert, and Tinsley have all found a niche in the NBA and have had their moments. Other than that, Lopez had a nice season with the Jazz while Forte, SMU-ex Sasser, and Armstrong really did nothing in the NBA.
2002: Kareem Rush, Qyntel Woods, Casey Jacobsen, Tayshaun Prince, Nenad Kristic, Frank Williams, John Salmons, Chris Jeffries, Dan Dickau
All-Stars: None
Potential Future All-Stars: Salmons?
Solid Contributors: Rush, Prince, Kristic
“Hit” Rate: 4/10
Verdict: Not that good. Salmons has been the late bloomer of the draft and if he keeps playing the way he did in Milwaukee this past season, he may have an All-Star appearance headed his way in the future. Prince was once destined to be an All-Star, but injuries have really taken their toll on him the last couple of seasons and reduced him to a role player. Kristic, though he did find a nice role on OKC this past season, also looked to be a rising star, but a major injury also slowed him down. As for the others, Rush had a couple of good seasons, while Woods, Jacobsen, Williams, Jeffries and former Mav Dickau really had no impact at all.
2003: Dahntay Jones, Boris Diaw, Zoran Planinic, Travis Outlaw, Brian Cook, Carlos Delfino, Ndudi Ebi, Kendrick Perkins, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard
All-Stars: Howard
Other Potential Future All-Stars: Perkins
Solid Contributors: Jones, Diaw, Outlaw, Delfino, Barbosa
“Hit” Rate: 7/10
Verdict: Great Ending. We all know about Howard, but the real star in this draft may have been a young Perkins, who, despite knee surgery, seems destined to be a top level center in the NBA. After those two, Outlaw finally seems to be healthy and on a solid team while Diaw and Barbosa craved out nice seasons in Pheonix and Jones has developed a role as a solid defensive player on a couple of teams. The real surprise on this list may be Delfino who put together a career year with the Bucks this past season and looks destined to get better. Planinic, Cook, and Ebi really had no significant impact, though Cook did play well on some Lakers’ teams.
2004: Jameer Nelson, Pavel Podkolzin, Victor Khryapa, Sergei Monia, Delonte West, Tony Allen, Kevin Martin, Sasa Vujacic, Beno Udrih, David Harrison
All-Stars: Nelson
Other Potential Future All-Stars: Martin
Solid Contributors: West, Allen, Vujacic, Udrih
“Hit” Rate: 6/10
Verdict: Another solid ending. Nelson has developed into a very good point guard while Martin, now finally healthy and on a good team in
2005: Julius Hodge, Nate Robinson, Jarret Jack, Francisco Garcia, Luther Head, Johan Petro, Jason Maxiell, Linas Kleiza, Ian Mahinmi, Wayne Simien, David Lee
All-Stars: Lee
Other Potential Future All-Stars: None
Solid Contributors: Robinson, Jack, Maxiell, Kleiza
“Hit” Rate: 5/11 – with the potential to grow
Verdict: This draft is full of extreme potential. Lee, at the end of the first round, is obviously the star, but in Robinson, Jack, Maxiell, and Kleiza, the NBA got 4 very solid players who have all been starters at some point on their respective teams. Among the others, though, include Garcia, Head, Petro, and current Mav Mahinmi, all of whom still have NBA potential and could join the list. Simien and Hodge, two big stars in college, were the disappointments of this draft.
2006: Renaldo Balkman, Rajon Rondo, Marcus Williams, Josh Boone, Kyle Lowry, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez, Maurice Ager, Mardy Collins, Joel Freeland
All-Stars: Rondo
Other Potential Future All-Stars: None
Solid Contributors: Lowry, Brown, Farmar
“Hit” Rate: 4/11
Verdict: This draft also had a lot of potential, but it has thus far been a disappointment. Rondo has become a star, while Lowry has been a very good back-up point guard and Brown and Farmar have played good roles on Championship teams in LA, but overall, the rest of this group has been underwhelming. Williams and Boone looked to be the future in NJ, but Williams is now toiling in
2007: Jason Smith, Daequan Cook, Jared Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, Morris Almond, Aaron Brooks, Aaron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter, Alando Tucker, Petteri Koponen
All-Stars: None
Potential Future All-Stars: Brooks
Solid Contributors: Cook, Dudley,
“Hit” Rate: 6/11
Verdict: Brooks, who has gotten better every year, seems to be a steal. The rest of the first round also looks nice as Cook, Dudley,
Final “Hit” Rate: 40/82
Final All-Star Rate: 10/82
The rates seem kind of surprising when you consider about how often first round picks are available to buy or trade for. In an economical way, if you think about it, taking chances on these kinds of guys can pay off in the long run while saving money that you may have overpaid to veterans.
While it doesn’t necessarily mean that either Roddy B or DoJo will become solid contributors or stars in the future, these kinds of numbers are reassuring at the very least. Interestingly enough, the position (25) that Roddy and DoJo were selected at has been one of the more successful draft positions with Wallace, Delfino, Brown and Allen all being selected there. Obviously, that last fact has nothing to do with how our guys are going to turn out, but all the same, it is pretty cool. On a more important note, though, I do think it’s going to take time before either of these guys make a full immediate impact on the Mavs as many of those guys on the list, outside of the notable few which include Tayshaun Prince and Kendrick Perkins, needed a few years before developing their niche in the NBA. As for Roddy (one year of NBA experience) and DoJo (no NBA experience), though, there’s still plenty of time to grow and hopefully be, at the very least, solid contributors.
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Good post
But have you seen Petteri Koponen playing. That guy’s sick point guard. He might be an All-Star some day.
by Extreme Reindeer on Sep 1, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
Can't really say much about Koponen yet
Outside of some time in the Summer League, he hasn’t done much yet, but looking at some of his highlights, he does look pretty sick.
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Splitter
will be starting for the Spurs this coming season, having spent the last few years playing very well overseas. Many have predicted immediate success for him in the NBA, so he could certainly be added to the role player/potential All-Star category by this time next year.
It’s almost sickening how well the Spurs have drafted late, getting Ginobli, Parker, Udrih, Scola(who was curiously given away), Splitter, Hill and Blair all after the 25th pick.
Exactly
If you compare that to someone like the Knicks (who’ve drafted in the lottery for a while now), its sickening to see how well the Spurs have drafted. Kind of reminds me of the early 90s Cowboys with Jimmy at the helm and how they would find all these players through the draft.
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good analysis
However, you must mention that many of these picks are taking risks. Mavs took a risk taking howard and it payed off. That is why many picks are hit or missed.
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by tomkanti on Sep 1, 2010 3:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think risk is really the right word
When you think about it, these guys aren’t expected to come in and be stars like lottery picks are. At the end of the first round, teams (which are usually some of the best in the NBA) are looking to find solid players who can fill out their roster and help them win a Championship. Occasionally, though, you are right about taking risks on some guys that may have fallen for certain reasons (maturity issues, drug problems, etc.) and trying to hit big on them.
As for the Howard part, I don’t think you can really consider him that much of a risk. He was a 4 year player at one of the best basketball schools in the nation in Wake Forest. I think most people thought that he’d at least be somewhat of a solid player, but the rise he actually did end up making was pretty special.
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Howard did, and probably still does drugs
That and having no respect make him a prime candidate for being a risky pick. Also, many late firsts are traded to salary dump. Not all want an ok player at best, and are wanting to take risks. That said, i feel Dallas will salary dump Stevenson with our 2011 first rounder.
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by tomkanti on Sep 1, 2010 5:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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I don’t recall there being a lot of makeup questions regarding Josh Howard when he came out. That seems like a very hindsight-influenced comment. He was, afterall, ACC player of the year, and a college graduate. The fact that he was a Senior was a big reason he fell, since this was the era of High Schoolers and the “upside pick”. Howard was viewed as a safe but limited player who wouldn’t improve much.
I think you’re really grasping for straws if you’re calling taking an All-American without an injury history with the 29th pick “risky”. There are far more serious head cases regularly taken much higher in the draft.
Yes
but the guy was the last pick of the first round! He wasn’t a high lottery pick that was expected to come in and produce immediately. He was viewed as a solid role player that in some time might be able to come in and play with the likes of Dirk, Finley, Nash, Jamison, and Walker.
If he had been drafted like a mediocre team like Atlanta, then yes, he would’ve been a risk, but at the position he was drafted, it was a depth pick.
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Salary dump Stevenson?
It’s the last year of his contract. It’s more likely he’d be moved at the trade deadline to another team looking for cap relief.
If DeShawn Stevenson or Kyle Lowry is a "hit"
Then Sergio Rodriguez is probably a “hit”. He’s been a decent role player at the 1 over his career.
don't get why you'd lump kyle lowry in there
he’s much better than the other two, who are pretty marginal NBA players. Lowry is arguably the best backup point guard in basketball.
Not Really
As Alan said, you can’t really put Lowry in that group. Also, Stevenson has been in the league for 10 years (compared to Sergio’s 4) and has put up better numbers than Rodriguez did in almost every year.
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Stevenson, better #'s than anybody?
I don’t really study the lower tier’s stats, but Stevenson’s career .200 shooting percentage seems like it’d be hard to beat.
my mistake
.413 career, .282 last year. I’m sure there are worse.
And he does have that monstrous career number of 2.3 rpg.
my question is this
exactly how many of these are Mavs picks? Also how do they compare to the rest of the league?
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 1, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
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From 2001-2010, Dallas only had five 1st round draft picks(the price of acquiring Antoine Walker, Erick Dampier and Jason Kidd), and most of them were toward the end of the round, due to their regular season success. The exception was Devin Harris, acquired from Washington in the Antawn Jamison trade. Pretty much everyone knows how that turned out. The other four picks were Josh Howard, Maurice Ager, Pavel Podkolzin and Roddy Beaubois. This represents both extremes of the draft, as Howard was an All-Star and Roddy looks like one in the making, and Ager and Pavel were complete disasters who did virtually nothing at the NBA level.
How Dallas’ draft resume compares to other teams is the subject of some debate. In terms of success rate, it’s hard to fault hitting on three out of five picks when most were late 1st rounders. However, as a whole the draft has not benefited the team much, as Cuban has most often used picks to acquire veterans through trade. The last 15 years, you’d be hard pressed to find a team who has drafted fewer quality players than Dallas. Luckily, one of them is a future Hall of Famer.
just to expand upon it
since I think creating labels like “role player” is a bit nebulous, I decided to look at the late 1st round success rate through a more empirical lens. So, I broke down 200-2007 late 1st rounders into two rankings: career win shares per 48 minutes and top 3 year consecutive peak.
The results:
2000
Top 3 WS/48
Jake Tsakalidis – 0.095
Morris Peterson – 0.089
Primoz Brezec – 0.084
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Morris Peterson – 15.9
Speedy Claxton – 10.9
Primoz Brezec – 10.2
2001
Top 3 WS/48
Tony Parker – 0.143
Gerald Wallace – 0.131
Brendan Haywood – 0.122
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Tony Parker – 27.3
Gerald Wallace – 25.6
Samuel Dalembert – 17.1
2002
Top 3 WS/48
Tayshaun Prince – 0.122
Nenad Krstic – 0.094
John Salmons – 0.079
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Tayshaun Prince – 24.4
John Salmons – 16.4
Nenad Krstic – 11.7
2003
Top 3 WS/48
Josh Howard – 0.132
Leandro Barbosa – 0.112
Kendrick Perkins – 0.105
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Josh Howard – 23.5
Leandro Barbosa – 18.7
Kendrick Perkins – 17.0
2004
Top 3 WS/48
Kevin Martin – 0.145
Jameer Nelson – 0.124
Delonte West – 0.100
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Kevin Martin – 24.1
Jameer Nelson – 16.6
Delonte West – 11
2005
Top 3 WS/48
David Lee – 0.158
Jason Maxiell – 0.121
Linas Kleiza – 0.103
Top 3 3-Year Peak
David Lee – 26.7
Jason Maxiell – 13.0
Luther head – 12.7
2006
Top 3 WS/48
Rajon Rondo – 0.144
Renaldo Balkman – 0.111
Kyle Lowry – 0.102
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Rajon Rondo – 26.7
Kyle Lowry – 11.4
Jordan Farmar – 7.6
2007
Top 3 WS/48
Jared Dudley – 0.116
Aaron Brooks – 0.092
Arron Afflalo – 0.085
Top 3 3-Year Peak
Jared Dudley – 11.0
Aaron Brooks – 10.5
Arron Afflalo – 7.9
Glad I hit on most of them heh
but the one about Tsakalidas is interesting. Never thought it would have been the highest for that group.
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the WS/48 ranking for him is a little misleading
He played 315 games(less than four full seasons worth), and only averaged 15 minutes a game for his career. He was pretty bad offensively, but his size allowed him to be an imposing figure on defense.

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