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Dojo: Swish or Miss?

There's been a lot of hype about Dominique Jones as training camp begins to start rolling. The word is that coaches think he can be a true contributor this year, helping out at the guard spot. The problem is, as of course most of us know, his jumper. Jones has the defense, has the athleticism, has the ability to drive and finish, is great at dishing the rock, and isn't a lazy, selfish kid who needs maturity. If he could add "jumper" to that list, Jones would have been a top five pick -- the full package (though without a love affair with the referees, he may never equal his often used comparison Dwyane Wade).

So what's the deal? Coaches are known to exaggerate, but at the same time, Carlisle never sounded as excited last year with Rodrigue Beaubois as he does this year with Dominique. Perhaps Carlisle has finally learned his lesson from Tayshaun Prince and Roddy B, that rookies can actually be part of a rotation if they're good enough. Perhaps its just talk, so that writers like me say he might be over his giving-rookies-meaningful-minutes-phobia.

But is he good enough to get into the rotation? Personally, for me, it comes down to his position the Mavericks decide to play him at. Dominique was a shooting guard in college. He handled the ball a lot, but he was a shooting guard for that team. As he transitions to the NBA, I think it will become obvious quickly that without a jump shot, Jones is not fit for that spot. I mean, come on, its called shooting guard! That would imply some ability to hit a jump shot, and though its not so bad that Dojo and Haywood are getting the same jump shot rating in NBA 2k10 (did you see some of Haywood's 'jumpers' late in games last year? I mean, despite Dampier's faults, he would at least MAKE garbage time jumpers), but for the NBA, his shot is not consistent enough. I can remember the single jumper that Jones knocked down in Summer League (in double digit attempts) and it was wide open from the free throw line. With what we saw, he is going to struggle to hit the open jumpers he will find when he's the third or fourth option on the floor, much less be able to punish defenders for playing off of him.

Because of this lack of a shot, Jones would be a much better fit playing point guard, in my opinion. He's a good passer off the dribble (from what I saw in Summer League), he can handle the ball, and he scores by athleticism and penetration. Hmm, remind you of anyone? What about Russell Westbrook? Derrick Rose? Rajon Rondo? Rodney Stuckey, Eric Maynor, or Tyreke Evans? What about Tony Parker as a rookie? Even Jason Kidd had a lackluster jump shot as a rook. If you have explosiveness and the ability to score off the dribble, you can survive without a jump shot (even Ramon Sessions, who doesn't strike me as being "explosive" per se, played 1700 minutes last season and made a single three pointer).

Meanwhile, this idea fits right into the Mavericks plan (more like my plan for the Mavericks, but I think they're smart enough to realize this too). The shooting guard spot is crowded, with Butler, Terry, Beaubois, and Stevenson all likely to get some minutes there. At point guard, however, we have the exact opposite of a minutes crunch: we are actually trying to reduce the minutes Kidd plays there. I think Mavericks universally agree that Barea is not an 18 mpg option backing up Kidd; 10 or 12 mpg sounds much more feasible. The Beaubois PG experiment has been benched, and Terry hasn't played PG is several years, so whose left to eat up those 6-8 minutes that are just kind of floating? Give Jones those minutes there, and its a near perfect fit (perfect being Barea growing five inches, turning black, becoming a 44% three point shooter and starting at point).

Oddly enough, this doesn't have to be the permanent position for Jones. Beaubois still projects as a point guard, so 3-5 years down the road, where he's learned the pass-first mentality, and Jones has developed a jump shot that has to be respected, it is totally possible that they may flip positions. Or perhaps they stay at "point" and "shooting guard", but Beaubois takes more and more of the ball handling over time.

No matter how the future shapes out, though, one thing is clear: Dominique Jones has the skills needed right now to be a backup point guard in the NBA. And if he can get past the Carlisle rookie minute block, who knows how much his role might grow as the season progresses.

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I hadn't heard that Roddy at PG had been benched

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see DoJo play on a regular basis. His defensive tenacity and driving the lane warrant some minutes on a team where the guards are not known for that. And I have high hopes for Jones.

But if you are going to throw out a bunch of guys names who have elite levels of athleticism for comparison, then I think you’re pushing it. And no matter how they sell it, scoring 46 in 45 minutes against Providence < scoring 40 in 30 minutes against Golden State Warriors of the NBA.

And I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I’d like to see a Roddy PG, and Kidd SG lineup on occasion. I think speculating four or five years down the road for Roddy at PG is a mistake. If anyones abilities on this team resemble Rose, Parker, and Rondo, it’s Roddy Buckets. Except that Roddy is also a lights out shooter. All that said, I think Roddy should get every available minute at SG as well as PG.

by young guns on Sep 29, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Roddy at PG has not worked well, last year or in SL.

I love the kid and I think in a couple years he will be playing point, but right now, we don’t need him learning a position on the fly, we need him contributing to a veteran team looking to make one final push. Kidd won’t be here forever, but while he is, its not like our PG position is terribly weak. The problem is, and has been, the 2. Roddy can fix that.

As for Jones, I wasn’t really trying to compare them to those individual players and say he’s going to as good as Derrick Rose or Rajon Rondo. I was making a point that PG’s with a weak jumper still can get minutes in the NBA, be it 38 (Rose) or 30 (Stuckey) or 10 (Sessions, Maynor). The talk is of him helping the team, but I don’t think he can help the team at the 2 if his jumper doesn’t improve dramatically (which it could, but I think it’ll probably take more time than that). He can at point, and since he’s already a very good passer (at least from what I saw in SL), since he has great athleticism, and since he can drive the lane, his talents will fit very well there.

by Tim Cato on Sep 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points

All minutes are good minutes for these young guys. But I still hope they throw a few PG minutes Roddy’s way.

by young guns on Sep 29, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he will get some

If the long term plan is to play him at point, then in blowouts and on nights where Kidd sits they’ll revert back to Roddy at point and try to get him some experience. But for this season, I don’t see it as a good high usage option.

by Tim Cato on Sep 29, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

DoJo is a supreme competitor

And I wasn’t saying he doesn’t have skills, but he doesn’t have the speed or hops that most the guys mentioned have. He is however, very quick. And you mentioned Kidd, which I think is a fair comparison athletically. And he certainly excelled at the point.

And at this point, I think you are right in thinking that he needs to play somewhere on this team.

by young guns on Sep 29, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roddy has a nice skillset, but getting to the line is not his strong suit. The Mavs neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed Dojo to improve their hapless Team FTA-Avg. He is the only one on the Roster who could get double figure FTS any game, beside Dirk.

"Mais put… Il est fou ce gars!"

by DOH on Sep 29, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I hear ya.

To be honest, I’d love to see the Mavs go to a three guard rotation with Kidd, Roddy, and DoJo. All three can handle the ball and any one of them could bring it up the floor. Jet could still get some spot minutes each game to keep him happy and keep Kidd’s minutes in check. It would be a risk. But I think one worth taking for this team to improve their playoff chances.

by young guns on Sep 29, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not a bad lineup for short stretches

Its obviously small, but all three are good defenders, and most times we’d be pairing it with a couple seven footers, so it could work.

by Tim Cato on Sep 29, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I kind of meant rotating these three at the 1 and 2.

not necessarily one of them playing SF. But hey, whatever works.

by young guns on Sep 29, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, haha, my bad. I was thinking the rest of your comment was kind of confusing, but I couldn't figure out why...d'oh

It won’t happen, though. JET will still get minutes, at least 20 a game. And honestly, the guy was our second leading scorer last year. He plays poor defense and hasn’t shot all that efficiently lately, but he can score, he’s been clutch for us for years, and he is a big time leader. No doubt his role needs to diminish, but he’s a but underrated, believe it or not, among Mavs fans.

by Tim Cato on Sep 29, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice for padding regular season win total,

and it could get the Mavs a shiny new #2 seed in the playoffs. But if history means anything, I think you could say that giving a ton of minutes to Jet and JJ doesn’t lead to success in the playoffs. As far as him being the second leading scorer, I have no doubt that that scoring could be replaced more efficiently and with more defensive productivity by giving the majority of his and Barea’s minutes to Roddy and Dojo. That’s why I think a real effort should be made to give these two young guards every chance to develop throughout the regular season, regardless of mistakes they may make. I think it’s the Mavs only real chance to add the ingredients that have been missing in what most would consider failed seasons the past few years, regardless of however many wins they had in the regular season. I think in the past, there have been different reasons for playing certain players than just the goal of winning a championship. I’m not sure what those reasons are. But I suspect it goes along the lines of playing favorites, which in professional sports has not been proven to win championships.

by young guns on Sep 30, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

for the most part you're right, however

Haywood did draw double digit FT’s twice as a Mav, and posted an outstanding FGA-FTA ratio last year.

He may be a little moody, but if they can keep him focused and involved, he’s the weapon nobody’s really talking about.

by Alan Smithee on Oct 1, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i remember that

I think he was 5-12 in one of them, followed by being declared as the best Center Dallas ever had. Nevermind…

Haywood was underutilized, no doubt, but part of that is Coach and part of that is jumpshooting and part of that is Haywood’s skillset.
Of course, our bigs should have very high FGA-FTA ratios (getting fouled a lot out of necessity), but for the most part they don’t get enough touches set-up scoring opportunities at the rim and they drag our FTA% down. The problem is, they can’t create their own (good) shot [effectivly enough]. So they mostly get garbage points or some rare well assisted dunks & layups. And we could use more of them this year.

I meant that DoJo is a threat to go to the line 10 times every night (in case he plays minutes) and also to get 10 points off free throws alone. → a FT threat.

If i look at the Mavs roster from last year, the highest FTAper36min was Dirk with 6.9, 2nd Josh Howard with 5.2 (surprise)…and our best perimeter player in that category was actually Butler with 4.0….
And that’s pretty poor.

"Mais put… Il est fou ce gars!"

by DOH on Oct 2, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Roddy and DoJo might create more (set-up) scoring opportunities for the centers.

If they get a chance. Because of their ability to drive the lane and pull a double team, might open up our centers for easy buckets down low with a dish from these guys, I hope. Maybe with some more dunks. Would be nice to get some more scoring down low. At least we know these centers can catch it if there is a pass, something Damp had trouble with.

We’re all hoping that DoJo’s college game will translate to the NBA, more fta’s for the Mavs. And the same goes for Butler’s move to SF and his off season conditioning. He should be more aggressive and draw more fouls.

by young guns on Oct 2, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

re:
I think he was 5-12 in one of them, followed by being declared as the best Center Dallas ever had. Nevermind…

Actually, he was 7-12, and it was the game where he had 13 points(on 6 shots), 20 boards and 3 blocks. Hyperbole or not, that might have been the reasoning behind such praise.

As for his free throw shooting, I know he shot poorly in Dallas, but as a Wizard from ‘07-’08 through the trade, he shot 473 free throws and made 69.3% of them, so I feel that he can make that part of his game useful.

Comparing Haywood to Mavs centers of recent past(Damp, Diop) and present(Chandler), the guy who just works here has posted consistently better usage and turnover rates, so I think he has a higher skill level in the low block, even if he’ll never be confused with Tim Duncan there.

One should never fall prey to small sample sizes, but I can’t help but look back at Haywood’s first seven starts as a Mav in February, when he averaged 12 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks and 4.5 free throw attempts on better than 60% shooting, all while playing quality defense and making few mistakes. He got a lot of playing time during that stretch and played well enough to deserve the same PT going forward. Soon after he had the back tightness that kept him out a few games, and never got consistent minutes again after that. Dampier was inserted back in the lineup, Haywood made a dumb comment or two in the press, and at the end of June pundits were summing up his time in Dallas as less than inspiring.

Personally, and maybe I’m wrong on this, I think that if they just let the guy play he’ll do a pretty good job approximating those February numbers, and the “best center Dallas ever had” label won’t seem quite so absurd. One would hope that six years, $55 million would be an indication of such an intent, but somehow I can envision a scenario where Haywood shows up pouty one day and Carlisle decides Chandler is as dreamy as that Barea guy and should be starting instead.

by Alan Smithee on Oct 2, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

to your main point, though

yes, drawing fouls is a major, major weakness of the team, and as they are an old group getting older, it doesn’t seem likely that they’ll get better in that area, at least not soon. For this and many other reasons, I’d like to see Jones get a chance to crack the regular rotation as a rookie. That being said, it remains to be seen how Carlisle will use him, especially considering his history of preferring veterans.

by Alan Smithee on Oct 2, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

from speaking with several Wizard faithful

Haywood is a snippity guy and will probably say more grumpy things. but they liked how he played.

by LJRotter on Oct 3, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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