A Quick Thought on Today's Dealings
Considering the amount of buzz the recent transaction today gathered, I figured I'd drop in an offer some initial musings.
As Mark Stein reports, Dallas is sending Denver Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer for a second round pick. Viewing the trade in a vacuum, it looks absolutely horrendous. The Mavericks have a core group of players well past 30 and Fernandez and Brewer represented the only somewhat established vets (using that term loosely) with some youth. To make matters worse, Fernandez was brought in exchange for Texas forward Jordan Hamilton in the 2011 draft, a dynamic scorer with immense talent but some definite issues in the intangible department, for whatever that is worth (I will always wonder though, why Hamilton fell to 26 with all his talent in what was considered a historically weak draft. There's something to that). Brewer was an almost elite level perimeter defender and while his shot was awful, he displayed flashes of playmaking skill in his short burn with the Mavs. And, despite what you might think of this distinction, he was a former 2007 lottery pick, which not a lot of teams pick up for cheap before they enter their prime.
But you can't look at this trade in that sense, unless you want to ignore Dallas' entire off-season. It's clear that Donnie Nelson and Mark Cuban want to slash payroll and stay as far away from a potential harsher luxury tax in two to three years. And as David Aldridge reports, the Mavericks will now be serious players for not just Deron Williams, but Dwight Howard, who has said one of the four teams he'd sign a long-term deal with would be Dallas. Dallas still can form a weak package to trade for Howard outright (and Orlando would have to be mental to accept any of Dallas' offers, unless every other team backs out from the running or a third team throws its hat in) but now with the apparent approval of Dallas from Howard, the Mavericks can now offer a full sales pitch to both superstars.
It's easy to point at the summer of 2010 and say the Mavs history with signing big-time free agents is rather dreadful. But that class was obviously settled on certain places regardless of what the Mavs did. Stoudemire was set on New York. LeBron, Wade and Bosh were dead set on joining each other. Did you really want the Mavs to pay Joe Johnson $20 million per year? Last year's free agent class seem settled before it even started, more so than we ever knew at the time.
Also, let's not forget that the Miami Heat pulled similar moves in preparation of the 2010 free agent period. Once their title window with Wade/Shaq was done, they immediately cleaned house. They cut ties with large, bloated and wasteful contracts in Shaq (and eventually Shawn Marion), James Posey, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton and Jason Kapono. They let older vets either retire or head elsewhere while they stacked their roster for the next two years with one year deals and low-cost young and inexperienced players. Remember, they traded the somewhat useful Michael Beasley for two meaningless picks from the Minnesota Timberwolves, just to clear room for the big three and supporting cast such as Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem.
There's a plan here in Dallas, one that could shake up the foundation and swing the balance of power squarely into the Mavs' favor. I don't need to tell you how potent a trio of Dirk, Howard and Williams would be and it's very possible this could happen in 2012. If it doesn't happen? Then sharpen your pitch forks and raise hell in the streets of Dallas -- the front office would deserve it then. But wait till the plan is finished before judging a plan. Also, it's not as if the Mavericks have left themselves like those 2008 and 2009 Heat teams -- the Mavericks are still a top contendor in the West with the additions of Lamar Odom, Vince Carter, Delonte West and Brandan Wright.
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i agree with pretty much everything… this is all about next year… it does bother me a bit that our depth at those positions has been weakened … but then again with carter, terry, kidd, west, we probably have enough there to begin with… you can see why theyd want to just get rid of them when they had the chance
$10 million ($5m salary + $5m lux tax)
for two players who will likely each play under 10 minutes a game. It still sucks because Brewer would be a perfect contract to have around after landing a Dwight Howard, etc and having to let go of the vets.
by lemonbrigade on Dec 13, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
I understand the reasoning behind trading Rudy and Brewer
Really I do….
What pisses me off the most was the execution…two young not yet prime players that have pretty good potential…..and its only a future second rounder? you could finagle a center, or possibly a first rounder out of Denver?….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 13, 2011 7:36 PM CST reply actions
It seems they had the leverage
I originally thought we could squeeze more out of them, but in the end the desire to save the 3M on Brewer next year was stronger than Denver’s to fill up the roster. So they dictated the negotiation.
Only thing that puzzles me is that the Mavs originally only wanted to move Rudy. Denver were the ones who wanted to include Brewer and it seems that they were making the “both or none” move and the Mavs conceded in the end.
Not saying Mavs planned to keep Brewer (there were earlier reports of shopping him), but I think they had other plans. But that’s really just a guess, maybe they simply saw an earlier opportunity than expected to unload Brewer and took it.
Make that 6m because we're still slightly over the cap
by lemonbrigade on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
im liking it cause there is good opportunities for adding players mid-season.
also Rudy lost the respect from going overseas. Corey was okay now thinking about it. just couldn’t even be starting material.
Waiting for good things to come...
I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie. I have faith in Mark and Donnie…repeat 100 times.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
I think we’ll miss Corey, and i wish him the best, and it’s a real shame when you have to trade players and CAN’T let yourself get anything good back because that’s the whole point of the trade—and I also don’t think Dwight and Deron is just as simple as having the cash to hand to them, especially if Dwight gets antsy mid-season—-BUT….
I mean, if you think about what the Heat looked like before THEY made their big pitch, and you think about the fact that this Mavericks team is actually a strong title contender WHILE being prepared to go after the big FAs next year, it’s sort of an economic Christmas miracle. Yeah we might get burned next year, but to have that executable plan for next year and have Dirk, Kidd, Marion, Odom, Terry, Carter this year still…..wow, you know?
don't think this plan is gonna work
Please i would love to think that dwilliams a DH12 are heading D- Town, but rally for that to happen cuban gonna have to move a lot of pieces one thing he hasn’t done pretty good in recent years except last. Really There is a saying very famous that may apply to him, if its not broken don’t fix it. First mistake was letting go Tyson, Second bringing Carter, i know vince is good or was good but know c’mon that’ s no plan at all.
by the.Doc on Dec 13, 2011 8:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We would have had to overpay to keep Tyson
I wish we could have kept him but he wasn’t worth it at the price the Knicks paid.
I understand the thought
And I’m okay with Rudy leaving, because he rubbed me the wrong way from day one, but I will miss Brewer. I was excited when they got him, and think he can be a good player.
I played the current roster in NBA 2k12
why do I get the feeling that we’re back to that Nellieball era where almost everyone can shoot the three…
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
really? i see them as mostly slashers with Dirk, Terry, Kidd and Cardinal outside for the dish.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
by wtshaolin on Dec 13, 2011 11:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
True also.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
DAT CAPSPACE.
I live to play the devil's advocate.
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 PM CST reply actions
It's sad that our championship line-up has been broken.
i liked those pepz who made us champs last year, but life must go on. Another challlege for the defending champion to face on. But with dirk, nothing is impossible. Let’s get it on!
HOPE is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of men.
oh good, i got to like stevenson during the playoffs get him and dalembert
and we’re unstoppable, fantastic roster
This can be a pretty good thing in another way
It frees up room in the depth chart for Roddy. If he becomes the player we all hope he can be next year (say, maybe 15pts/game or so), then he suddenly becomes a valuable chip for a trade with Orlando. It’s a lot to ask but it isn’t outside of Roddy’s abilities to do so.
definitely not putting my eggs in Roddy's basket
until he proves he’s good and ready.
Managing Editor of MavsMoneyball.com
yeah until he's proven his worth.
thanx for saving that precious eggs.
HOPE is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of men.
by simpleton cxi on Dec 14, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
So the Mavs traded 2 players in their mid 20s
To give 34 year old Vince Carter a THREE YEAR CONTRACT. Somebodyy just shoot me, please.
VC's last 2 seasons only partially guaranteed, and it's a small salary to begin with.
Rudy was unhappy, and in all likelihood gone to Spain next year anyway. Brewer was going to have a really tough time surpassing Marion and Odom for PT.
One thing you're forgetting
Dwight and Carter are good friends and former teammates. And stop complaining about a talented double-digit scorer and former superstar getting 3 million a year. Seriously?
Also, Carter and Odom were fit into the trade exception for Chandler. Looks like we traded Brewer and Rudy to get the tax down and give us room to respond to situations later in the season.
by lemonbrigade on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
carter have talent not heart
He’s never been a decisive player after he left toronto he.had the talent to be a Kobe but instead he’s another elton brand= wasted talent
by the.Doc on Dec 14, 2011 10:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This trade makes no sense
if the mantra really is, “It’s all about next year.” We have a team full of aging superstars. We need to build the best team we can THIS YEAR. If the Mavs brain trust thinks we can fill those roster spots with solid contributors (Stevenson and Dalembert would be ideal) then it makes all the sense in the world. If not, we weakened our roster for nothing more than a slim chance that Deron Williams decides to come home to play with an aging Dirk.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
The big argument for not keeping Chandler
Is that we would have to overpay for him. But if we are going to get either D-Will or Howard or both, we will have to overpay for them too. There is always someone in the league willing to offer the best FAs stupid contracts. If we are not prepared to overpay for our players, then kiss any FA dreams good bye.
There's a big difference between overpaying Chandler
and overpaying a franchise player, which Chandler will never be. I love Chandler as much as anyone here, but we need to not overrate his talent and potential because we love him so much as a team player. We also need to stop underrating Haywood. His confidence was shot last year between the Chandler situation and the free throws situation, but he’s roughly equivalent per 36 minutes, for under 2/3rds the cost.
And I’ll take Lamar Odom at under 2/3rds the cost of Chandler’s any day of the week. Hoping Odom put forward extra effort to prove to LA how big of a mistake they made.
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