Good News, Bad News, New Mavs Edition
Let’s start with the bad news, shall we?
Despite the Mavs’ truly heroic efforts this offseason, they remain very much a long shot to build a super team.
My logic for this comes from a lot of places, but primarily from this: The Mavs are betting heavily on free agency, and I think that free agency probably just is not the best way to build a team.
I understand completely why it is super reasonable to think having money equals getting players, but being reasonable doesn’t mean it’s correct.
As it happens, the only free agent you could directly blame for a title in the last decade or so is Shaq, to the Lakers (not to the Heat where, of course, he was traded), and that’s actually a major reason why free agency isn’t a great place to build a team. After the Magic lost Shaq for nothing, teams around the league resolved never to allow that to happen to them. That’s why superstars have been successful in forcing trades these last few years---no one wants a Shaqenstance.
Everybody else? Trades and draft picks. Dirk draft pick, Tyson Chandler, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, trades. Lakers, Kobe draft pick, Gasol, Odom, trades, Bynum draft pick. Celtics, Pierce draft pick, Allen, Garnett trades. Spurs, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker draft picks. I could go on. Even the Pistons drafted Tayshaun and traded for Rip, Ben and Rasheed Wallace, though they did sign Chauncey.
There’s a reason for this. When you trade or free agent, you get your guy. When you enter the free agent market, everybody gets a shot. I know that I am arguing against the moon here, and that the idea that having cap space doesn’t often mean superior results is in some way a deeply unreasonable way to feel. But look, the Mavs figured they had the cap space with Erick Dampier’s contract to make a big move last year, they traded it for Tyson Chandler ONLY because (and this is easy to forget now) doing so meant they could take another swing at free agency this year, but things transpired, happily another way.
And then Dampier’s contract went to Charlotte where it not only didn’t do anything, it STILL hasn’t done anything. Granted, Charlotte isn’t Dallas, which will remain an appealing destination as long as Dirk is still effective. Still.
Now, there’s an obvious argument against this point, which is that it is deeply incomplete because of the Miami Heat. They were built, entirely through free agency; they are very likely to win a championship in the near future and so on.
Here’s where we’ll disagree, if we’re going to disagree.
As Mike Fisher has written quite a lot about, over at DB.com, Cuban and Donny have made the -calculated risk-assumption that to compete in the new NBA future, the Mavs need a superteam. They’re following the paradigm laid down by the Heat.
I argue that the Heat is not an appropriate paradigm to be followed because this was not an all-things-being-equal free agent bonanza; it was three best friends wanting to have a slumber party and breaking several NBA collusion rules to do so. It is not clear whether the results of that experiment can be replicated in a neutral setting.
A more reasonable paradigm is that Boston team, which was able to trade for both Ray Allen and KG, or even the Knicks, who signed Amar’e, traded for Carmelo, and were able to half-heartedly dabble in trading for Paul. But cap space and young talent are BOTH deeply exhaustible quantities. It’s much easier to get two all-stars, to supplement your original all-star, when they’re past their prime, or to get two-thirds of a super team + Tyson Chandler (pouring some out), then it is to hit that three star bonanza, as Chris Paul and Dwight are both finding out right now.
That may be what we'll get, a bunch of teams with two stars and some extra talent (a relatively naturally occurring phenomenon, see, Durant + Westbrook). And that actually is something the Mavs can compete with, without hittng a home run the next offseason.
So, yes. The Mavs trade yesterday insures that, for the third year in a row, the only young talent the Mavs have that is currently enticing is Roddy Beaubois. They don't have anything to offer anybody but money. So they can't trade, they can only sign.
They may be wrong about that choice.
The good news is, we may be wrong about the superteam era, because it may indeed take all the squirrelyness of the Superfriends to get one, and that may actually not be possible for anyone else. If Dwight or Deron realize that before next year, that might be very good news for the Mavs. Moreover, the league actually seems to have taken steps (not altogether fairly) to prevent superteams from forming (see: the Agony of Chris Paul).
LBJ, Wade and Bosh took 2.5 mil less than they could have made, 14.5 mil down from 17, and It's bad news that the Mavs, with all they let go, and if they amnesty Haywood, could have something like 25 million to spend next year---not enough for Deron and Dwight both unless they took much larger discounts.
This, however, could be good news in disguise. The Heat had to do some terrible, depraved things to get enough under their cap to sign three great players in the offseason before the price on such players was raised. It's fairly unlikely anyone will be able to do that again--Which could mean, that no one could do Dwight AND Deron without putting together a putrid team around them. Which could mean that it IS after all possible to sign one or the other alone.
And now the unqualified good news:
Yes, okay, this offseason has occasionally felt like a constant, counterintuitive war against ourselves, occasionally punctuated by deep, celebratory Lamars. I think it’s also true, however, that what the Mavericks brain trust have achieved in this offseason may never have been done before, may never be done again.
Namely, they have positioned themselves to be huge players in the free agent market next year—whatever that might mean--WHILE still remaining perfectly capable of defending their title this year. That’s super hard to do.
Yes, they went wholly down the FA route, but this is NOT a firesale. We love Tyson. We’ll miss Tyson. But Tyson + Barea + Brewer does not equal firesale, especially when you add Lamar Odom, Vince Carter and Delonte West. I mean, come on, right?
This team rolls two deep in a serious way at every position but C.
The other good news is that Haywood is not nearly as bad as he’s being currently portrayed. The Mavs signed him to be their starter, and were willing to go with him as their starter until Tyson Chandler showed up. Chandler is a better player than Haywood, but Haywood is a much better player than Erick Dampier, who was better than Shawn Bradley, who was at least roughly equivalent to Raef LaFrentz and so forth.
The season Hay was traded to the Mavs, he averaged a double-double for the Wiz, for 49 games. Tyson Chandler’s done that exactly twice in his career, and neither was last year. No, Hay’s not as athletic, as passionate, and he certainly doesn’t necessarily get better when the game is on the line. But he’s more than serviceable.
And, yes, both Deron and Dwight really like Dallas. I don’t know how likely one or both of those guys is, and given that Deron already plays in one of the places they both like, in Brooklyn, NY, Dallas seems less likely to me, though not out of it.
We hear tell that the Nets offered a crazy offer for Dwight (Brook Lopez and FIVE first round picks) and that the Magic turned them down. So if that’s what the Magic need to trade Dwight, Dwight’s not getting traded.
Here, though, is the really good news.
It may seem like the Mavs have gambled a lot on a possibility that isn’t particularly likely to happen, but I don’t think that’s accurate. In fact, apart from Tyson Chandler, they have gambled fairly little. And though we have spent this offseason saying goodbye to friends, we need to remember that the considerations which led to that occurrence this year will NOT be in place next year regardless of what happens.
The Mavs won’t get nothing, if they don’t get Dwight or Deron. Lamar Odom, for example, was picked up because the price was right and because he can be bought out next year for three million dollars. You know what else, though? He could not be bought out at all.
Jason Terry could be let go, or he could be given an extension.
With cap money, if it turns out that Delonte West or Vince Carter make a huge impact, they can be given cash too.
And there will be cash left over, for somebody.
I know, I know it’s not sexy.
But if, instead of the big fish, the Mavs in 2012, no longer gambling on the mega-free agents, just sign the guys who did them good and add some more complementary talent, they could be competing, really competing, for a good while, still.
In this ever-turning NBA, you can’t ask for much more than that.
Stay tuned for more stuff about what you might see on the court from this new group.
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don't drink beer...
might have to be a girly drink. or cider. ooo, I wonder if they’ll have Magners…
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Pomegranate margaritas are not a girly drink
by andytobo on Dec 15, 2011 8:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
When I read that post all I saw was
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Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
by Lissyyyyy on Dec 14, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ehe
“The Heat had to do some terrible, depraved things”
Some thoughts
I don’t think Dallas is trying to build a superteam per se. They’re recognizing the reality that in a few years Dirk most likely can’t be the alpha dog anymore and will need a replacement. Just getting one big free agent while still being able to preserve depth, role players and vet experience would be ideal.
In the meantime, I’m perfectly happy with the recent developments besides letting Brewer go. Still, if the $10 million Cuban saved in the trade between salary and luxury tax gives us the capability to fill a more immediate need, like center depth, or replace an injured player sometime later in the season, or best of all, be able to offer the best contract in the event one of the three aren’t extended by the end of this season or before, it may turn out to be a good decision after all. I just would have rather given away DoJo instead, or gotten a first round pick for dealing Denver two players who might be starters soon. But I get that Cuban shouldn’t pay $10m for two players who will barely see 10 minutes a game on the third string at their positions.
Deron
My guess is Dallas gets Deron or Cp3 next offseason, it’s just too bad Haywood got the contract Chandler deserved
Uncensored basketball analysis
by Ball Chat on Dec 14, 2011 3:23 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Chandler's contract
is about $5.5 million a year more than Haywood’s. Considering Chandler was likely able to do so well because of his starter-quality backup C, reducing the risk of injury and fouling out, and making him better rested when he comes in, I’m not convinced he’d be worth that if we had to drop Haywood, whose per 36 minute production is roughly equivalent. I think New York (or any team) gets better with Chandler, but they cost themselves valuable flexibility by putting all their eggs in one basket monetarily. In the long run, they may come to deeply regret it. When he goes down with an injury, for example. They’ve also essentially written off Dwight or CP3 unless they trade Melo or Stat by paying Chandler what he wanted.
Mavs are better making value plays with reasonable contracts, and other teams are overpaying for our former value plays that paid off. I like the idea of picking up veterans at the point where they’re no longer worth superstar money but still are still very productive contributors as complimentary role players.
by lemonbrigade on Dec 14, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What I found encouraging
Is that in the finals, when the Mavericks really made an effort to take care of the ball, after game 3, it was obvious the Heat didn’t have enough scoring to keep up. I mean, even if Wade, Bosh, and Lebron all score 30 (unlikely), you knew they would have to come up with 10-15 points from somewhere else to match our offense. If they average about 25 each, which is still unlikely, they’d need 20-25 or so from the rest of that team. And because the rest of that team was so horrible, you couldn’t count on them for 10 points a game combined. That’s one reason why so-called superteams aren’t generally done. And it’s true they were within 2 games of winning it all, but a team like the Mavs is built to beat a team that needs to play up-tempo, high turnover ball…and we still are. And it’s not like the Heat have shown they have a lot of extra cash to spend, with their signings of Eddy Curry and Shane Battier…suffice it to say I don’t think they’ll be throwing a big celebration to announce their arrival (only partially because Eddy Curry would eat Shane Battier). So this is all a long winded way of saying I’m not that worried…yet.
The "superteam" idea is a terrible one
And we proved that last year. Depth is more important that star power any day of the week. To build a superteam you have to sacrifice the former, especially if that involves midseason trades. New York would have easily been a title favorite had they not given away everything for Melo and still signed Melo in free agency. Now, even with Chandler, I’m not sure if they count as contenders – Melo better start scoring like 40-50 points a game, Chandler would need to get in the high teens and Amare in the 30s just to keep up with the average score. Landry Fields might get a dozen if they’re lucky. Those numbers don’t sound realistic. And if one of those guys gets injured, kiss the season goodbye. Since there’s no depth, those guys will be playing all the time, so they will be exhausted and more injury prone. Our players may be reaching grandfatherdom but they still get plenty of rest and all have a sturdy backup plan in the event of injury. Two all-stars plus depth is the ideal way to go, but one all-star with a handful of former all-stars seemed to work too.
Mavs in the market for a big man? via espn
“I don’t know,” coach Rick Carlisle said. “My belief is that we’re very close to having the squad that we’re going to have. There’ s a possibility that something else could happen, but we’ll just have to wait and see.”
aha and yes i'm bored
bq. Bill Simmons: Heavy buzz that CP3/Clippers might be going down. Clips staff was just summoned to the office. Trying to get more info
looks like a done deal and if anyone wants to watch some basketball suns.com will have suns scrimmage 6:30 local time i believe
David Aldridge: Second source directly involved: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman and Aminu all to New Orleans for CP3. Clippers relented and included both
Since they picked up Chauncey Billups
they have slightly more flexibility to let Gordon go.
by lemonbrigade on Dec 14, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon plus the Minny pick? WoW
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 15, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder
if New Orleans would have done a Corey Brewer and Rudy Fernandez for Chris Kaman swap.
Dirk would've loved that
Not sure about Haywood, though
Don't need another perfect line... Don't care if critics ever jump in line...
wondered the same thing...
a couple days ago…i had suggested on the espn comments about cuban trying to snipe his way into the trade by trying to pick up kaman…its safe to say that the idea DID occur to him, because if it didnt, and all we got was a worthless 2nd round pick instead of a much needed and capable kaman all because both donnie and mark failed to let their inner light bulb go off at the recent mention of kaman’s name?….well, it would be inexcusable to a fan who has already felt more than enough regret in letting the lightning we had captured escape from its bottle for “flexibility” to sign players who wont even hit the market…i really liked brewer too, moreso than what his skill level actually demands…but i still have faith in cuban, the best owner in pro sports.
by ArntorWindir on Dec 15, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Free Agency
Ahh did I miss something or did you not read the new CBA? This isn’t your Aunt’s NBA. Salary cap space is king now and that changes everything.
by HowboutthemMavs on Dec 15, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions

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![While The Round Mound of DDOS ( Drunken Driving Oral Sex) is currently unavailable, i wondered if he has a mother at all. And why he has so many many, Manny Calavera...err.. many Grannies at stock.
Let's see.
Granny #1 Yao Ming, 30 Points ...ah the chinese relatives...
Granny #2 Ben Gordon, 32 Points ...with some teabags
Granny #3 Kobe Bryant, 35 Points ...everyone gets old....
Granny #4 Joe Johnson, 32 Points...who?
Granny #5 Tim Duncan, 32 Points in Twice the Oldertime
Granny #6 Devin Harris, 41 Points along with...
Granny #7 Vince Carter, 32 in Double Grandmother Impact
Granny #8 Eric Gordon, 32 Points in The Graduate of a Grandmother
Granny #9 Chris Paul, 33 Points in the Armpit(lock)
Granny #10 Deron Williams, 30 Points in "I can do that, too!"
Granny #11 Charlie Freaking Villanueva, 32 Points
Granny #12 Dwayne Herpes Wade, 30 Points
Granny #13 Dwight Howard, 35 Points
Granny #14 Deron Williams, 34 Points in "I can do that Part 2"
Granny #15 Paul Pierce, 31 Points in Closer [than] it should be
Granny #16 Tony Parker, 37 Points in "I demand Duncan and Ginobili sit out every Game."
Granny #17 Russel Westbrook, 33 Points in "Down 5 with 22 seconds left? I'll score 5 in 5 SECONDS!"
Granny #18 Tony Parker, 37 Points in "Merde, i said sit out Duncan!"
Granny #19 Stephen Jackson, 31 Points in "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang"
Granny #20 Carmelo Anthony, 43 Points in "I'm surprised i was able to get that open"
Granny #21 Chris Paul, 42 Points in "+/- 0??!? Team you suck!"
Granny #22 Chris Paul, 31 Points in "I'm going to kill Pussy for stealing my triple-double and i don't shake hands because i haven't washed them since college"
Granny #23 David West, 31 Points in " I yelled 'And-one' 21 times and took 3 Fts total"
So i guess, right now, the question is....Who will come out and adopt Chuck take this Motherrole?
All lines are closed, bets are refunded.
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