Free Agency Roundup Or ... The Mavs Do Actually Start To Sign Players?
by j0Shi on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 PM CST
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PrintWhile in the last days the news of departing free agents dominated the landscape, the Mavs started to make moves on the first day the teams were allowed to sign players. Again a lot was going on, so here's what you need to know:
Roster changes:
- First of all, be sure to read the answer of Mark Cuban to an email that Tim MacMahon from ESPN Dallas wrote him. He shares insight on the Mavs thinking. Must read!
- @coopmavs reports that the Mavs offered two year deals to their free agents. Not that it would matter, but earlier reports of one-year deals seem to be not quite correct.
- Today was the day on which Tyson Chandler officially parted with the Mavericks. He was on the Ben & Skin Show this morning and said goodbye to Mavericks, a team he loved.
We'll miss you Tyson! New York is a big market and a competitive team and you deserves every dollar you'll get there! - Originally it was reported, that the deal for Chandler wasn't involving a S&T with the Mavs, but apparently things changed over the day. Mavs should get a trade exception and a lower salary player from the Knicks. One player being in the mix was Ronny Turiaf, but he's gone to the Wizards, as reported by andytobo.
- @KBergCBS reports that with this trade exception the Mavs in the mix for Samuel Dalembert.
- Chuck is not pleased with the move to let Tyson go. Here's the Audio. C'mon Chuck! We need you back on the bandwagon!
- Rudy Fernandez is still stuck in Spain. Here's the story and here's his tweet.
- In addition to andytobo's story about Vince Carter, here's a quick look at the advanced metrics in comparison to Caron Butler. There's no reason to believe he'll be any worse than Caron:
| Player | PER | Simple +/- | APM | WS48 | WP48 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Butler, Caron 10/11 | 14.2 | +4.86 | +2.16 | 0.067 | 0.015 |
| Carter, Vince 10/11 | 14.8 | +2.70 | +0.58 | 0.090 | 0.084 |
- Mavs also signed Brandan Wright, a former lottery pick, that had bad luck with injuries during his career. But the Mavs feel he has great potential. Here's the first interview with the new acquisition.
- Monte Mathis was promoted to Mavs defensive coordinator. He will try to fill the big shoes of Dwayne Casey, who became Toronto’s head coach soon after the NBA Finals.
- Some older news on potential targets for the Mavs: Michael Redd and David West.
You think that's already a lot? Click through to get the latest on the first day of Mavs training camp and other Mavs related stories.
Start of training camp:
- Why Dirk Nowitzki is the Classiest Guy in the NBA. Our Manager said it best. So read it and watch the video. We got one heck of a superstar in town!
- The Mavericks added two non-guaranteed points guards to the roster in their need to find a new backup behind Jason Kidd.
- @BallinWithBryan and @fishsports report that Rodrigue Beaubois practiced at full speed and full strength today. Carlisle said he is their first choice of eating up minutes at the point behind Kidd.
- Earl K. Sneed has a full practice report up. Be sure to also visit the Mavs Facebook Page. They've got plenty of pictures of todays camp.
- More photos from dallasnews.com
Other items:
- Marc Cuban Agrees With NBA Blocking Chris Paul Trade
- Blazers Brandon Roy to retire. That's a very sad story, although not directly Mavs related. But I think we should give him a mention here, because it's not the way this exceptional talent should have finished his career. He got his last big moment during the 4th Quarter of last seasons first round matchup in the Game 4 collapse of the soon-to-be Champions. And although most of us surely would have liked to see him hobble off the floor rather than killing the Mavs, this breakdown changed our teams attitude and mindset and smoothed the way to the Championship.
It's weird, but thank you Brandon Roy. You deserved better. Fare well!
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One of the nicest, most humble stars in the league, also. Someone that should have had a long career and could have been a great role model to young kids, in contrast to certain other players who I don’t need to single out. Very sad about this.
Portland might have had a worse day today than Dallas sports fans had yesterday. Roy retired, Oden had another setback and is restructuring his deal with Portland, and Lamarcus Aldridge failed a physical due to a flare up with a heart condition that kept him out during the final stretch of his rookie season.
I don't know we both have our issues
Not being able to re-sign players that helped you win the Championship must be super frustrating and losing Roy, Oden (although it feels like we never really had him) and the news that Aldridge will be out 5-7 days if not more is mind-numbing and heart-breaking. Either way not cool but thanks for the kind words about Roy – he’s going to be missed!
David West would make us as good as last year IMO
If possible – go.
Beyond that, I pointed out on the Carter forum that as of this moment, our roster is 1 PER point more efficient than last year’s – even without Chandler. Of course, that’s without Cardinal and Stevenson at the bottom too. We don’t know who we fill the rest of the slots with, but I assume Peja and Cardinal will likely be back for minimums. If we can make a good play for a high PER player like West or Billups that would make up for losing Chandler’s, we’ll be certainly contenders if not quite as good defensively.
Oh shit
West’s going to the Celtics reportedly.
by lemonbrigade on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Looking forward to seeing Jerome Randle
He was Pac-10 player of the year, an honor held by Brandon Roy, Kevin Love, James Harden, Derrick Williams, and our own JET. His size seems to be the primary reason he wasn’t drafted.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2010/4/13/1414066/does-jerome-randle-have-an-nba
His stats from Turkey
http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=1694&s=1011
15 pts 4 assists
by lemonbrigade on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Vince Sanity can be great help for KIdd and Dirk!
the right thing is that VC is in need for a ring. he can be the spark especially having his old friend Kidd assisting him. I’m liking this idea from management. hope it goes through cause we need a veteran thats hungry.
No offense but no way on VC
He’s just an empty shell of a man, he’s just got nothing left. I respect how good he was but I recognize that he WAS. Also keep in mind that we really don’t need any more age on the team.
by elbow greater than face on Dec 10, 2011 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
well last season we had some age. it can all even out with having Wright added.
one thing about VC is that he played his best alongside Kidd. i say give it a shot cause having a starting lineup with Kidd, Carter, Marion, Dirk, and Wood. its great size on the court. not to mention having our 6th man JET then Mahinmi and so forth off the bench. mavs need that player who is desperate for a ring, if he contributes averaging about 15 ppg. it will help Dirk very much.
Oh god no!
For a starter, I don’t mean to be rude, but anyway. That’s not gonna work on athletic teams when neither our 1 or 2 can defend quick guards. Also that totally screws up the idea of starting Brewer at the 2 like we should. Honestly I think if we used Brewer right he could get us 10-15 points a game and probably get to the FT line way more doing it. Finally, there’s a lot of players who don’t have a ring, I’m sure we can find one that’s more suitable.
by elbow greater than face on Dec 10, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Reports say West is close to a deal with the Celtics
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
it's incredible how players i despise end up on one team usually, he'll fit in fine with
the rest of the smeltics, all fake toughness good riddance i didn’t want west and billups on the mavs
Just a terrific column. I’m literally shocked that VC is as efficient offensively as Caron, but I do wonder if the +/- is there, in terms of what VC gives up on the other end. I know Caron hasn’t been a great defender for his career, but he really stepped it up as a Mav, I felt. Also, I reserve the right to use the nickname “Weak Juice” for VC, should it become necessary. I hope to refrain!
Surprised to see Mavs in the mix.
Orlando PR man Joel Glass calls to say D. Howard’s agent now has permission to speak w/Lakers/Nets/Mavs about possible trade
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
Rob Mahoney seem to have the same sentiment
Not seeing how the Mavs fit into this picture at all. Lack of attractive draft picks, iffy young assets, no Bynum-caliber players to swap.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not really optimistic about it.
Other teams have way better assets to trade to the Magic. Unless, the Mavs bring in a 3rd team to give young players to Orlando but other than that, I’m not really expecting.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe Dwight saw how Chandler dump us to play somewhere else?
Naw he’s not coming..
by ray allen a mav on Dec 10, 2011 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
I dunno, think about this
A lot of the analysts seem to think losing Chandler is why we can’t repeat now. If I was Dwight I could see how I might fall into an “anything you can do I can do better” mindset regarding Chandler.
It’s still not likely but worthy of consideration.
by elbow greater than face on Dec 10, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas
Has the best salary cap offerings. LAL can’t take turkoglu.
Deron is also part of the equation. According to Mike Bacsik, Dwight knows if he goes to Dallas, he’ll be teaming up with Deron next season.
I think it comes down to who D12 wants to play with – Deron/Dirk or Kobe and whoever ends up in LAL. I think the Nets won’t be able to swing the trade.
Some bloggers around twitter says Mavs still has $13 mil trade exception
Is that true?
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
yes
Mavs have confirmed a sign and trade with the knicks, so they’ll have a 12-13 TE. that’s part of the salary cap flexibility in dealing with orlando – they can take more on. and I’m not sure what other assets the nets have at the moment besides brook lopez, who i don’t think would work for ORL anyway because of the drop off in defense/post
Hmmm
So I see Dallas has a shot on Howard…
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
yea
but nets can take on hedo’s contract too. i think it’s between nets and mavs. but it’s unlikely… i just don’t see why D12 would want mavs over nets when nets have better assets (lopez, maybe outlaw?) picks and can take on the k. plus d12 will be with Dwill, amirite?
I believe so
and LA would also be a more attractive destination for Howard especially if the Chris Paul trade breaks through. Sources say they’re reworking the trade.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
The problemt with the Nets
Is that they’ve actually given up too much for Deron. And Deron’s not a certainty to stay as well. Even if he does, and Dwight comes, the Nets won’t have enough of an effective roster at all. They’ll get by with the numbers but they’d barely be chugging along to the playoffs.
I'm reading this because it's interesting.
Here's something from
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
they HAVE to go after D12.
we all know Dirk isn’t getting any younger and we need to really utilize this guy’s talents while we can. I know we already won one ring, but I’m greedy. heh
"Stay hungry, stay foolish." ~ R.I.P. Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)
close to impossible.
We just don’t have any great trade assets compared to LA and NJ. We got the TPE from TC S&T though.
Well, we’ll just have to wait for Cubes and Donnie. Dirk-D12 front court would be really devastating though.
i have to see it to believe that Dwight Howard is here..
which means having that mavs jersey on him. otherwise it can just be rumors. just the thought of it sounds great for sure.
Maybe but
Orlando is stupid if they don’t trade him. Letting him walk and get you nothing is a huge mistake. No way he should make free agency.
by elbow greater than face on Dec 10, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Reports say were going to get
a certain player named Andy Rautins in addition to the trade exception for the sign-and-trade involving Chandler.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 10:34 AM CST reply actions
And his stay as a Maverick is short-lived
because he is going to be bought out. Meh.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I just came by to say
Fuck Vince Carter. I don’t want to root for that bum. If it’s a one year deal for the minimum I could live with it. But a multiyear deal? It has to be a joke.
by mg4tx on Dec 10, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
it finally can inspire Vince sanity to go for that ring with his ol' boy J-Kidd.. im happy for that reunion.
all im asking from VC is about 10-15 or more pts a night with JET flying off the runway being that 6th man.
Tyson was in a contract year
Like I said, 1 year deal for the minimum is not that bad. I like Rudy more, though, and that’s saying a lot.
And everyone said the same thing abut Chandler
That Dirk wasted his pay cut, he was bound to be injured, that he was overpaid trash in Chicago, etc. I want to see what he does with this team and this coach before I pronounce judgement on a former superstar. He’s better than Butler statistically as they point out above. I strongly doubt Cuban gave him a ludicrous contract.
by lemonbrigade on Dec 10, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
You're not seriously comparing Tyson Chandler and Wince Carter are you?
I’m not talking about injury concerns. Tyson is a warrior, Wince is a pussy. It’s that simple. Tyson was also 5 years younger when he joined the Mavs, and he’s always cared about basketball, unlike lazy-ass VC. And Tyson didn’t steal playing time from young promising players like VC is about to do.
by mg4tx on Dec 10, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Carter gives up on the basketball court, especially on the defensive end.
Maybe the fact that Dirk doesn’t put up with that bullshit will help, but we’ll see.
I can't find footage but
I distinctly remember one moment in the playoffs when Dirk screamed at Chandler for making a mistake. No doubt he can do it on Carter.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Difference is Tyson would care and improve.
Vince will not. Actually he’ll probably get all pissy and perform worse. And then Rick will leave him on the floor (beacuse he’s a “veteran”)even though he’s playing like crap and it’ll cause us to lose. All VC is is another chance for Rick to fuck up. That’s it.
by elbow greater than face on Dec 10, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
it would be awesome if VC stays healthy year round.
hes got the point guard who made him look great back. the guy is desperate for the ring. also he has great help from our bench.
Maybe
we signed him because ORL wants him included in any deal for Howard because you know, he was so successful in his first go-round with them 80P…
"I'm a unitard!" - Ralph Wiggum
by stupidsexyflanders on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
WAIT...WHAT?
Source confirms @ESPNSteinLIne report that three-team trade for CP3 has fallen apart. Lakers will trade Lamar Odom into Dallas’ new TPE.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 11:02 PM CST reply actions
LOL did you get the WAIT...WHAT thing from Simmons?
or is that just a coincidence?
by elbow greater than face on Dec 10, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't even know Simmons said that.
The one thing I don’t like about this is it puts the Lakers into a prime position to duel with NJ for Howard.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
- Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
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