Thoughts on the Mavericks Future...Next seasons lineup...
Well it is almost playoff time...The time where Jason Terry goes cold, Carlise refuses to play anyone younger than 30 years old( except for JJ Berea), and the Mavericks to get stomped out of the First round again. Would I like for them to get back to the Finals? Hell yeah! Do I think they have a Shot? Yeah, probably the same shot as I have of Winning the Lottery, assuming I played it that is. Yet My purpose is not to Bash the Mavericks. Actually I want to offer up some hope, that maybe Dallas Will get there with in Dirk's playing years.
What I want to do is to look forward to next year, and see what the Roster may look like, before the teams start trading players and what not...Now this will include a few resigns, But overall the roster will shrink slightly.
Now here is the Dallas Roster as it stands now(Now the players in Bold are "expiring", thus will be a free agent after this year. The player that will be "expiring" next year are in Italics):
PG-Jason Kidd, JJ Berea, Rodrigue Beaubois
SG-DeShawn Stevenson, Jason Terry, Dominique Jones
SF- Corey Brewster,Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic, Caron Butler
PF- Dirk Nowitzki, Brian Cardinal
C- Tyson Chandler, Brendan Haywood, Ian Mahinmi
So Who will Dallas resign? Well I can confidently say Chandler will be resigned. He has easily been Dallas' MVP through out this year(outside of Dirk of course). I think that Peja May be resigned as well. He can play 2-3 positions, and is still one of the better "shooters" in the game. As for JJ, Stevenson,and Cardinal, I think that JJ will want too much to keep, Stevenson, though somewhat versatile, probably won't be resigned(unless it is for League minimum), and Cardinal is simply replaced by Peja.
That leaves Butler. He is kinda hard to figure out. I honestly wouldn't mind him back, as he can play both the SF and SG positions, is a very good defender, and before his injury was getting roughly 15 points pg. The main issue is that A. Like most of the current Squad Butler is a "Jump Shooter" on a Team full of them, and B. is over 30 years old. However his Positives do mitigate those "faults", so If he would take a "reasonable" deal, like 4-6 million for 3-4 years, then I would resign him.
So Lets assume that Peja, Butler, and Chandler are all resigned. This is what the Roster looks like:
PG- Jason Kidd, JJ Berea, Rodrigue Beaubois
SG- DeShawn Stevenson, Jason Terry, Dominique Jones
SF- Corey Brewster,Shawn Marion, Caron Butler
PF- Dirk Nowitzki, Peja Stojakovic, Brian Cardinal
C- Tyson Chandler, Brendan Haywood, Ian Mahinmi
That means that Dallas would be(pre draft/Free agency) 12 players deep, with a good mix of "slashers" in Beaubois and Jones, and Jumpers,with Terry, Butler and Peja. You could say that Marion and Brewster are "Slashers" due to the fact that both are good at getting to the rim, but they do it in an unusual way. They are "off-ball slashers" that go to the rim while the "D" is focused on the ball handler.
Now I what to look at the various Lineups that Dallas could use with this Roster(starters would be listed first):
"Standard Lineup"
PG-Beaubois, Kidd
SG-Butler, Terry, Jones
SF-Marion, Brewster
PF- Dirk, Peja
C-Chandler, Haywood, Mahinmi
This is the Main starting lineup next year. This puts your Best Defensive players on the floor from the Beginning of the game. Terry and Kidd become the Sixth man in effect as they would probably sub in at the same time. At this point Butler would move to SF, with Marion going either to the bench or to the PF position depending on the Matchup.
Small Line up (3- guard)
PG- Beaubois
SG-Kidd
SF- Jones
PF- Peja
C- Dirk
This would be a intriguing line up, as it puts Beaubois and Jones who are both "on Ball Slashers" on the Floor together. This would combine very nicely with Dirk, Peja and Kidd as all three are 3pt threats, with both Beaubois and Jones being good at the" Penetrate and Pass Offense". Now the main issue with this would be Defense, as Both Dirk and Peja are not known for their "D". However Kidd is an underrated defender and Beaubois along with Jones are very active on the Defensive end.
Here would be an Alternate "3-guard" line up:
PG- Kidd
SG- Terry
SF- Brewster
PF-Marion
C-Mahinmi
This Line up would take full advantage of Kidd's 'court awareness" by utilizing both Brewster and Marion in "off Ball Slashing", with Kidd's and Terry 3pt ability opening up lanes. It also would have Better Defensive capabilities due to Kidd, Marion, Brewster and Mahinmi.
Big Lineup:
PG-Kidd
SG- Brewster
SF- Peja
PF-Dirk
C- Chandler
This Line up is all about Height. Kidd at 6-4, goes with Corey(6-9) Peja(6-10), Dirk(7-0) and Chandler(7-1) This Line up would be one of the Better rebounding Lineups in the League, as Chandler,Dirk and Kidd alone are averaging 20+ rpg. then factor in Brewster and Peja who in limited time this year are avg. 2.6(brewster and 2.2 Peja) and you have a lineup that is bringing in over 25 reb per game....
Now notice some thing about all these line ups... All of them are fairly balanced. They are all a good mix of "jumpers"and "Slashers" and any "O" and "D" deficiencies are balanced as well. This was deliberate, as this is what you need,if you go to far either way you become either the Knicks(all "O" no "D") or the Spurs(all "D" no "O").
Well Let me know what you guys think..I freely welcome comments and critiques. Just Wake me up if Dallas makes it past the First round OK? thanks!!!
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i'm more interested about whats going on right now at this moment..
but its kinda hard to tell what will happen to the roster. mostly cause of the draft, off season, potential lock out, and releasing players. although one thing i am interested in will be once jason kidd retires who can takeover as point guard. a great idea that cuban and donnie can do is bringing back the great steve nash. if him and dirk reunited once again who knows what can happen. i doubt phoenix will sign him or nash wants to go back.
doubt randolph will be able to play here
memphis would give up a lot for him. although i could see players like AK47, Al Thronton, DeAndre Jordan, or even K-mart getting signed here. those would be great backups for Dirk or even to help him out
Wasn't saying Randolph would sign here.
Was saying that he is just most people’s top guy.
Don't forget to turn your swag on today.
He just signed an extension with the Grizzlies that gave him Dirk-money.
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
the Reasons I didn't go into either Draft picks or FA
A. I have NO idea who is available in Either the Draft or FA at the time of posting)
B. while the Draft will bring in some new players, I don’t See Dallas doing much in FA.
Even with losing Stevenson, Berea, and Cardinal, They will still be well over the Cap,plus factoring the Lockout situation(which is one of the reasons I think Mark didn’t do a midseason trade) Dallas isn’t able to make a lot of noise in FA..
C. By simply Resigning Butler, Chandler and Peja, they would retain the Better pieces Acquired or the past couple of years.
And as far as Signing Nash I don’t see that Happening..
A. Dallas is committed to Roddy @PG After Kidd Leaves/Retires
B. Kidd has Already stated he wouldn’t mind coming of the bench…So why not just resign Kidd to a “Bench level” contract after this one expires?
C. I am Sure that Where ever Nash ends up, he will want to Start, Not come off the Bench…But If he would be Willing to do that, (bench work that is) and Sign a “Reasonable” contract, WOW that would be Awesome, Kidd, Nash, Roddy,….MMMMMM
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by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 11, 2011 6:53 PM CDT reply actions
Even with Chandler, Barea, and Stevenson off the books
we’ll still be over the salary cap to start the ‘11-’12 season. Aside from maybe resigning Chandler if the Bird rights thing is still there, all we can offer FA’s is the MLE and the smaller exceptions. Add a high-20’s 1st round pick hopefully at SG/SF and we’ve basically got the same roster as last year, only older. I’m hoping someone will give us something for Terry and Kidd’s expirings. Don’t want either of them on the team next year.
"I'm a unitard!" - Ralph Wiggum
by stupidsexyflanders on Apr 13, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
While I don't want Terry
Kidd is still a good Player….However I would Love Something like This
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by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 13, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Corey Brewster related to Punky Brewster?
If so, he should start wearing pigtails, too, as a ‘shout out’
late to the party, but
a few thoughts:
1. I’m hoping Barea isn’t back. I admit he has made great strides since he entered the league, and offensively at points this year he was flat out carrying the team(which is more an indictment of how few capable shotcreators the team has than anything else, but still). On the right team with the right roster, he is a legitimately valuable NBA backup point guard. However, I’m assuming Terry will be back next year, since he won’t really have much trade value until the next trade deadline. With Terry and Roddy on the roster, having a tiny point guard like Barea is maddening and puts the defense in a compromised position.
2. I can’t say for sure if he is at all on the organizational radar, as I’m not privy to that sort of information, but Dallas still has the rights to Nick Calathes, currently overseas. When Nick came out in the ‘09 draft as a sophomore, there was a decent amount of buzz around him, and likely if he hadn’t signed his pro contract in Greece before the draft, he would have been taken a lot higher than the 2nd round. He’s a big guard with point skills and he put up some pretty strong numbers in the SEC in his two collegiate seasons(for what it’s worth, Hollinger’s draft rater loved him). On paper he seems like someone who would be a good fit with Roddy, as a big passing guard a la Kidd, and could be a cheap replacement for Barea with a good bit of upside.
3. After Haywood’s pretty massively disappointing season, coupled with Chandler’s return to form, one might think the decision to try and resign Chandler is an easy one. If that happens I certainly won’t be outraged. However, this team’s major shortcoming has been the same for years: they lack a secondary shotcreator who can take over games and generate high-percentage shots and efficient offense(i.e three’s, shots at the rim, and free throws). Beaubois, unfortunately, seems a ways from potentially settling into that role. Terry and Marion, both now in their 30’s, were always a bit unqualified for that kind of status, since Marion rarely scores from outside 12 feet, Terry rarely scores from inside 12 feet, and neither get to the line much. Butler I’m assuming will not be brought back, and shouldn’t, unless he takes a major paycut. Looking at it rationally, using Chandler in a sign and trade scenario represents probably Cuban’s one chance at getting Dirk his sidekick this offseason. Old wells could be explored, such as Houston’s interest in a center for Kmart swap, or Philly’s desire to make room for Evan Turner by trading Iggy. It’s maybe not an ideal fit but I think you could give New York a call about Chauncey Billups.
4. The FA crop is really weak this year.
Any thoughts on my ranting?
What’s your offseason wish list?
by Alan Smithee on Apr 15, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally
I would like Igoudala…not only is he still fairly young(26/27) but is a capable scorer(avg of 14+pg this year) and has turned into a Assist machine (6+ per game this year)
Now yes he may be overpaid(he will make 13.5 and 14.7 mill the next 2 years plus has a player option for 15.9 mill)
However I think he would be well worth it, as he could easily play up to 3 positions; PG, SG and SF depending on the Line up.
We could go several different ways to get him Though I think the best way would be using Terry(11mill) as a straight trade (though I would imagine several picks would have to be included)
How ever if Philly wants to shed some serious Salary I would propose this:
Terry, Kidd, and Haywood for Andre and Brand.
Yes Brand is 30 years old. Yet he avged 15points, 8 rebs, and over a block and steal per game this past year.
Now would Dallas lose all “cap flexibility” with this trade? Yes, however we don’t really have any to start with, especially if we resign Chandler.
I will probably be putting up a post about some offseason trades, and their likely impact on the roster later. Probably once the Offseason actually starts…..
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by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 15, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
(Salutes)
Ma’am Yes Ma’am!
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by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 16, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Iguodala
The only problem I see there is that Terry and/or I don’t think have any value for Philadelphia. Haywood just came off his worst season and has a lot of money coming to him. Terry is aging, undersized and expensive, even if just in the short term. Draft picks aren’t likely to be much of a sweetener give that they’d all be late first rounders. Bottom line: Chandler is the one guy on the roster I think the Sixers would really want.
Iguodala I think would be appropriately paid on the Mavs since his passing prowess would make him ideal to be paired with Roddy and essentially make him Kidd’s replacement as the guy running the offense. Combining that with his defense and finishing ability and you have an extremely valuable, 10-win type player.
Yes Terry is this:
aging, undersized and expensive
and
Haywood just came off his worst season
However, Both Kidd and Terry will be “expiring contracts” next year thus giving Philly nearly 20 million dollars in “expirings”, which would clear Brands Contract off the Books and then some.
And yes Heywood is owed a Bit of money, However his Contract is :
2011/12-7.6 million
2012/13-8.3 mill
2013/14-9.0 mill
2014/15-9.7 mill
2015/16- (team option) 10.5 mill
So assuming that the 76er don’t pick up his option, that means they would pay 27million over the next 3years for Heywood after Kidd and Terry “drop off”
Compare that to 32.8 million for Andre and Brand for the same time period(2012/13) and that doesn’t even factor in Andre’s player option worth 15.9 million(2013/14)
Now if we look at Brand and Haywood separately from the trade here is how it works:
Brand will be owed ~35 mill over the next two years
Haywood will be owed~34 million(without the option[~45 million with it] over the next 4-5 years
SO if the 76er don’t exercise his option they would simply be stretching Brands Contract out a couple of more years…
(All contract Data sourced form HoopsHype .com)
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by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 16, 2011 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Re
I’m aware Kidd and Terry are expiring, but looking at it from the Sixers’ perspective, I don’t think saving money will be enticement enough to give up their two best players. Brand had a pretty good rebound season and while certainly pricey isn’t a complete albatross. Iguodala is a young borderline All-Star and the default franchise player. The talent disparity in a trade like the one you propose would be considerable and not bridged by draft picks.
The length of Haywood’s contract makes him a negative value trade piece, in my opinion. Getting rid of him likely requires getting 50 cents for a dollar, and Haywood’s dollar looks a lot less inspiring now than it did a season ago. It doesn’t make much sense to pitch Philly a trade based around expiring contracts and then throw in a guy with a four year $35 million price tag.
Chandler is the guy on the roster who I believe would carry interest there. If he isn’t involved somehow I don’t see a real avenue for an Iggy trade. You have to give to get.
by Alan Smithee on Apr 16, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
True
However I think that Mahinmi could be used instead of Chandler, PLus the Main reason I would want to trade off Haywood is that :
A. With Brand on Board Haywood Become redundant for Dallas as Brand could play the Back up Center position, along with the Back up PF position and could start at the SF position if you wanted…Matchup dependent
B. He Like I said could be a Direct replacement for Brand, and As I said if you remove the Team option at the end of Haywoods Contract he will be making the same as Brand overall(roughly 35 mill) However Haywood would will be making ~8/9 million per year instead of 18 mill. that is some serious Savings, plus Heywood as a Starter =Brand as a starter.
C. Also I don’t think that Philly would want Chandler as they already have TWO very young Centers; Spencer Hawes (drafted in 2007) and Marreese Speights(drafted 2008)
D. and there is one other thing. The main reason that Philly wants to Trade Andre is to allow Evan Turner to take his spot at the SG/SF position. By trading Terry and Kidd for Andre you not only are giving the 76er a HOF PG(Kidd) and a pretty good at times SG(Terry) the best part is Neither one would Conflict Even Turner, and would actually work well with him
Now do I wish that this trade had been done BEFORE the trade deadline? of Course! that way Dallas could have used Butler, Terry and Either Kidd or Haywood (both make sense considering what Philly is giving up) instead which would have been a better “deal” for the 76er’s along with the picks as then if Kidd had been used you are talking removing both Contracts “off the Books” after two years, while getting an HOF PG and Two really good players that would work very well with Evan Turner.
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by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 16, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Respectfully
I’m confused at your suggestion of using Mahinmi instead of Chandler, since Mahinmi doesn’t work contractually and doesn’t have anywhere near the value Chandler does. Anyway, to your points:
A. Brand does not make Haywood redundant. Brand can(stressimg “can”) play the five but is undersized, (at this stage) a poor rebounder and is not a great option there for long stretches. Brand is a natural 4 and would give Dallas a real backup pf for the first time in who know how long, something important as the Mavs look to reduce Dirk’s regular season minutes. Brand definitely can not/should not play the 3, but let’s not bother with that.
B. The notion of Brand = Haywood as players is highly debatable, but what isn’t debatable is that you make a pretty major contradiction when you state they’ll both make roughly 35 million and yet somehow Philly will save money. The dollar/year value isn’t really all that important since Philly may not be over the cap next year(CBA TBD), anyway. Losing Brand is an attractive option if you’re actually saving, which by including Haywood, they wouldn’t.
C. Hawes has a qualifying offer for next year and may not even be back. Speights is young but if you’ll notice has never been given major PT and the reason is that he is a serious liability on defense( if you won’t take my word for it you can ask the good people at Liberty Ballers what they think of Speights), so despite his youth his ultimate role may be of an instant offense backup. Hawes also isn’t exactly Bill Russell, and while he has upside I don’t think any Philly fans are seriously expecting him to become an All-Star. Chandler is better than either two will likely ever be and he does something they don’t by playing outstanding D. I posted a trade thread at LB months ago and the consensus was that Chandler was very enticing and Haywood was about as much so as a skin rash.
D. Terry and Kidd could both play with Turner, this is true, but either of those guys or Haywood as the return for Iguodala would be a massive disappointment. Kidd and Terry have value as expirings and not much else. Kidd I’m not sure Cuban will want to give up anyway; I get the feeling Dallas values him much more than other clubs do. Terry is approaching marginal status and I can see Philly thinking Lou Williams makes Terry redundant. Bottom line: it isn’t nearly good enough a package. Philly doesn’t have to trade AI and even if they decided they really, really want to, they could get much better offers elsewhere.
by Alan Smithee on Apr 18, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I see where you are coming from....
This is how I see it:
A. Brand does not make Haywood redundant. Brand can(stressimg "can") play the five but is undersized, (at this stage) a poor rebounder and is not a great option there for long stretches. Brand is a natural 4 and would give Dallas a real backup pf for the first time in who know how long, something important as the Mavs look to reduce Dirk’s regular season minutes. Brand definitely can not/should not play the 3, but let’s not bother with that.
Haywood at this point is our Back up C….Dallas has specifically said that they will resign Chandler(and will probably give him something close to a “max contract”, they won’t be saving money either way. By Trading for Brand who as you have pointed out can play the 5 for a limited time,(Haywood averged 18 min pg which Brand could fill easily) That means there is no need to have Haywood. Yes I agree that Brand is a natural 4,(which is one reason that I would like to trade for him). As for him not being able to play the 3, while he may be miscast in the 3, He would play there sporadically, in a “big line up” thus freeing up Marion to play the 2 with Andre at the 1….along with dirk at the 4 and Chandler at the 5. And I don’t buy a the fact that a player that is averaging over 8 reb per game this past year is a “poor Rebounder”
B. The notion of Brand = Haywood as players is highly debatable, but what isn’t debatable is that you make a pretty major contradiction when you state they’ll both make roughly 35 million and yet somehow Philly will save money. The dollar/year value isn’t really all that important since Philly may not be over the cap next year(CBA TBD), anyway. Losing Brand is an attractive option if you’re actually saving, which by including Haywood, they wouldn’t.
When I say that Brand= Haywood I mean as Starters. Last year Haywood was a really good starter in place of Dampier. And yes I can see where it seems like a contradiction. However Philly While not Saving Money over the Length of the Contract would be Saving 20 million+ over the next two years vs keeping Brand. That is where the “savings” are. And I disagree with the staement that per year savings aren’t relevant. they are very relevant if they want to STAY under the cap. It is much easier to do that when you are only paying 8-9 million for a player as opposed to 18 million….
D. Terry and Kidd could both play with Turner, this is true, but either of those guys or Haywood as the return for Iguodala would be a massive disappointment. Kidd and Terry have value as expirings and not much else. Kidd I’m not sure Cuban will want to give up anyway; I get the feeling Dallas values him much more than other clubs do. Terry is approaching marginal status and I can see Philly thinking Lou Williams makes Terry redundant. Bottom line: it isn’t nearly good enough a package. Philly doesn’t have to trade AI and even if they decided they really, really want to, they could get much better offers elsewhere.
I agree totally with that. Which is why I have want to slightly alter the trade. Switch Butler for Kidd, and Add in Dominique and Mahimi. We resign Butler for a 2-3 year deal at roughly 5-6 mill per year (that would be reasonable right?) this gives 76er’s a True starting C(haywood) a starting Caliber SF/SG in Butler, a good sixth man in Terry, plus gives them a lot of “youth” with Mahimi and DoJo….that would be my ultimate deal.
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