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What would be the most Intelligent thing for the Mavs resigning Barea or Trading Roddy



The Barea topic has created lots of debate during the whole season...

 

 

But here are some facts that should be taken in consideration in order to make the correct decision. There are some elements that the management should think, but I think they had already. First of all I resent all the trash talk about Barea who has suffer from a lot of it since becoming part of this team. For that I think that our fans have become really ungrateful of all the contributions this little guy have made to our team. I hope this doesn't comeback to us if he decides to go to another team because of that reason specially if he goes to a division rival, which I hope doesn't happen. Here are some of the reason why I think Dallas should re-sign JJ instead of letting him go and let Roddy or anyone else's fill his position.

First, Bussiness and market value.

It has been said that Barea isn't worth of a big contract. I defer, after his performance in this year's championship run his market value is up in the sky. He demostrated that he can play at the highest level. I know he had some non-pretty games at the start of the finals but after he was given the starting role his production increased not only in numbers but also in energy and speed.  He gave the Mavs as a starter:

Game 4:8 pts, 3 ast 4 rebounds

Game5: 17 pts, 5 ast

Game6: 15 pts and some very important baskets in the 3rd and 4th quarters

The other thing that has been vastly commented is that Barea doesn't have defense, which I clearly defer. Those of you who play basketball knows that in order to be a good defender you have to move your feet to be able to keep with your opponent. During the whole playoff run rarely does a PG goes by him, and he was a pest over  Mike Bibby, Mario Chalmers, Russell Westbrook and in the past over Tony Parker one of the fastest PG's in the league, he also draw some charges against the defense especially in clutch moments. For this reason I think that criticizing on his defense is being made without foundation just as a fact because he's a litte guy. This is another thing why so many teams are behind him, he's noy just a scorer but a guy who can also defend.

 

 

In comparison with Roddy this are the numbers:

Regular season:

Roddy:

-Points:8.7

-Rebounds:1.9

-Assists:2.3

Minutes:18.0

Barea:

-Points:9.4

-Rebounds:1.9

Assists:3.9

Minutes:20

Playoffs:

Points:8.9

Assists:3.9

Minutes:21

Rebounds1.9

 

Now that we have that information can someone explain me why I guy more than 5 inches taller than the other averages the same amount of rebounds that the smallest guy in the court averages and less points, and please don't tell me is because of a 2 minute playing time differential. At most Barea is underrated and Roddy is overrated. I don't want to imagine how a shoot first limited court vision player is maned Kidd's heir and possible backup PG of the  World champions, not to mention his fragility, and lack of height to play and defend at the SG position. I think that with Rudy and Terry we have more than enough to cover the SG spot if we are able to resign Barea.

Second Barea is a big attraction for the Latin Market and I think that's one of the favorite reasons why Cuban wants him of the team he's making big profits out of the little man. Barea is a big part of the nucleus of this team, in contrast with Roddy which have been informed in reports that is an outsider who is always talking in French in the locker room one more reason to move him. 

The only reason why we should keep him is if Barea signs with another team which is very probable if Dallas doesn't take him seriously and offer him the money he deserves and due to big performances against good teams in the playoffs. Just pray that he doesn't go to L.A. and the Custodian have to make him a Stone cold stunner because his killing us in playoffs, that would really hurt and not because of his play but because we had the opportunity  to keep him but we kept who, underachieving Roddy. I truly prefer overachievers guys that go over the expectations, than having a supposed to be star in our team. Do Dallas fans really think that we won the last three games of the finals due to coincidence, I don't. 

As a suggestion Barea don't take negative comments to seriously, they can come from people like John Mccain and then guess what they have to do apologize. Don't go to another team hope Cuban likes you so much after all you've done for this team, cause if not other teams are hungry for a guy like you. 

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just want to point out something...

Berea-age 27

Beaubois- age 23

so you want to keep a 27 year old, Severely undersized PG, that has more than likely progressed as far as he will go, over a 23 year old slightly undersized guard that may still may blossom into an All-star….all because in his(Beaubois’) Second season, that didn’t start until the season was nearly half over, he failed to outplay a 5 year veteran?

I have never said that I don’t appreciate what JJ has brought to this Team….However, what he brings and what Beaubois has the potential to bring are no where near the same Level (Beaubois is much greater)

I have always said that Some team is going to throw a bunch of money at JJ and that it would be foolish for Dallas to get in a bidding war for him….not because he isn’t worth it, but because we can get virtually the same production with Beaubois at a fraction of the price…

And what is up with this?

Now that we have that information can someone explain me why I guy more than 5 inches taller than the other averages the same amount of rebounds that the smallest guy in the court averages and less points, and please don’t tell me is because of a 2 minute playing time differential

I can tell you right now why…Beaubois only played Half a season…..as far as the rebounds go, there are very few good rebounding PG’s in the league….Chris Paul, arguably the best PG in the game right now, gets “only” 4.6 RPG….

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 27, 2011 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

27 is a great age to win a championship..

and he still has about 2 years to peak. by that time he could be starting. JJ is humble enough to not start every single game and it probably wont bother him. he has a lot of respect for kidd since it will be his last season. its all about winning and the players realized their teamwork paid off. roddy can wait another year. maybe go learn how to be captain with our D- league team the Texas Legends.

by go87 on Jun 28, 2011 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?
27 is a great age to win a championship and he still has about 2 years to peak.

I highly doubt that JJ will get any better at this point….He is what he is at this point, a undersized SG that has enough Court vision to back up the PG position…..

Guess what…Beaubois, Jones, Calathes, Koponen, heck even Terry…..ALL of these players can provide the SAME effect as JJ Berea….. Let some other Team pay him 4-5 million a year…. and other than Terry all of these players are younger ,Cheaper and have the possibility of getting drastically better….

I don’t mean to sound like I am Hating on JJ, as I have said, I love what he has brought to the team….But Dallas needs to start working the young players into the rotation….otherwise We could be back to the Pre-Dirk days sooner than we all expect….

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 28, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

you clearly don't know about basketball

Barea has been a PG all of his life: in college, in Puerto Rico’s National Team and in the NBA. And if Barea Isn’t a PG what makes you think Roddy is.

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 10:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Clearly you are an Idiot....

IF you honestly think that Berea> Beaubois…. the only reason that Berea plays the 1 is because he is 5-foot nothing…. name me 1 player that sghort that has played any other position……

as For Beaubois not having court vision….well I do have to agree with you on that….however unlike JJ I think that he will improve that….

I would go into more detail but have to go to Work….

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 1, 2011 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

a 6'2 sg is undersized and pretty unuseful

If he doesn’t doesn’t know how to play the point. Plus don’t go insulting fake ass self-proclaimed iron man, over here you’ll get killed.

by the.Doc on Jul 2, 2011 4:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Two Words....

Jason Terry….

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 2, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

and it has everything to do with his height

and I quote…

a 6’2 sg is undersized and pretty unuseful

so if a 6-2 SG is pretty unuseful, what does that make a 5-10 SG?… completely useless that what….JJ HAs to play the 1 spot….otherwise he would have never played Basket-ball at the pro level….

Roddy at least could turn out to be Jason Terry(who BTW is 6-2 ~200lbs)

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 2, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just so you know
fake ass self-proclaimed iron man

My last name is Eisenman…. which FYI is German for Ironman….

so yes I am Ironman…..

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 2, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

the Jet was a.Pg most of.his career didn't you.watch him play in ATL, but roddy

Is.not Terry. JET , is way more skilled than roddy at both.positions. First of all he wasn’t injury proned from the.beginning of.his career. And you can.see what other SG’s do with Terry when.he’s guarding them.

by the.Doc on Jul 2, 2011 9:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

career points per game for Terry

<16 per game…..not what I call “prolific”…..

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jul 3, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I pretty much agree with you Ironman

JJ is a good role player but let’s not break the bank for that. Roddy has immense potential and for a team as old as ours we need to develop young talent like him

by somebodyquiet on Jun 30, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

the reason why I would keep Barea is

Because the Mavs are a win now team not in 3 or five.years. And Barea can help them win right now. Plus with the fact that we have Rudy, Jet, Butler if we resign him, are all players that can play the SG.position. The only thing we are doing is putting a stop in roddy’s development, he will be better used in other teams, but if we keep him please don’t tell me the guy’s a PG cause he isn’t in fact he and Barea can make good combo Jj as PG and Roddy as SG.

by the.Doc on Jun 27, 2011 11:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

plus you gotta be kidding Roddy at most

 Can be compared to Leandro Barbosa who is a good player but not an all-star. To be an all star with 6’2 or less you gotta have 2 of these 3 things: excellent court vision that means to be a natural passer like Nash or CP3, to have excellent ball handling and quickness with the ball, or to be a prolific scorer like Allen Iverson or Isaiah Thomas. Roddy may be a good scorer but I don’t know if he’ll do it on a nightly basis, he’s not a great passer, nor an extrordinary defender. And definitely there’s no excuse to be averaging the same rebounds and less points than Barea if he pretends to be the next Mavs savior, he will be a good player but an all-star doubt it.

by the.Doc on Jun 27, 2011 11:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

so by this:
And definitely there’s no excuse to be averaging the same rebounds and less points than Barea if he pretends to be the next Mavs savior, he will be a good player but an all-star doubt it.

You are saying that even though it was only his second season, and one that was derailed from the beginning by a serious injury, he still should have beat out Berea?

What are you smoking? and why aren’t you sharing?….

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 27, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

excuses, excuses and more excuses

Excuses are only good to the one that’s giving it.

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 9:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Considering your question.

Re-sign Barea and develop Roddy! Nuf Said?

Really, either could be a great trade chip, that is if Barea doesn’t take a sky high offer and Roddy get’s back to being healthy. Either could also be a stable piece for the near future.
 
I agree that Barea may have been underrated in the past, but after his show against a top defense in the league, I believe that his hieght is now a second thought to his ability, as it should be. Barea does everything a PG should by breaking down the defense, enabling teammates, smothering defense. He has game at both ends of the floor, just a little slow against the All-Star PG’s in the league.

Roddy has such a high ceiling on his talent, I can’t wait to see him catch fire this season.
As far as trading, anyone may be traded, (except Dirk, Kidd and Terry-fingers crossed). This is a business afterall, so I think the question could be what do we get for trading Roddy? If we trade away all our young talent then what will the Mavs look like after Dirk & Company are retired and/or coaching?

To re-sign Barea, he’s gonna have to pass up the monster deals heading his way to start at PG. By monster deal I mean in the neighborhood of $4-6m/yr for 3+ years. The business side of this may be to pay what he wants and package him in a trade for a younger talent to fill a “Need” position. But, then Barea doesnt have the choice of suitors, unless it’s in the contract. Either way it may be better for both sides to let Barea go, whether it’s a valuation of his talent, making room on the roster at G or reducing our CAP. The Mavs already have replacement talent at G, and traded at the draft to get more. Of course, $4-6m/yr is not bad for a starting PG after this season, but it may be a bit much for backup.
IMO: Trading Roddy should only be an option if he is hurt seriously again before the All-Star break, then maybe we get something for our trouble. =(
IMO: Re-signing Barea is a good idea but, anything we pay him will be in the luxury tax, and may not be possible once a new CBA is agreed to.
Still, more intelligent to re-sign Barea than to trade Roddy at this point, IMO.

by DallasSportsFan on Jun 27, 2011 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

keep JJ and see what they could do with roddy since he still has much to learn

the kid cant play better defense than JJ. that says a lot right there. look yeah i think he has a bright nba career. but im not in this cloud of thinking roddy is the promise land. he again needs surgery on the foot. a guy that small already with these much injuries wont look good. that means other teams will be ready to knock him for another injury. i just hope he doesn’t fade off like shaun livingston.

by go87 on Jun 28, 2011 2:05 AM CDT reply actions  

mr.Iron man it's obvious to expect

That a second year “projected” all star (projected by who?) Would be able to beat the smallest guy on the court, if nor he stinks and keeps being overrated. If Dallas is intelligent enough they’ll give JJ a big contract and maybe then trade him cause he have good value. But Roddy is one of those dreams that you have but is never accomplish. If we have Roddy why trade for rudy, tell you why the guy can’t be counted on. Right now he’s injury prone and will keep like that for a long time, I hope it wasn’t like that but it is. Plus who are you counting after the Nowitzki era on Roddy, please you are the one smoking and is not MJ. That’s like thinking that Jeff Green is the future after the Big three are gone in Boston. Haha

by the.Doc on Jun 28, 2011 7:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I hope we

Don’t waste money giving JJ a big contract how the hell is that in any way intelligent. 5’8" pg who has had one great playoff series.. And the way your already saying roddy is a failure is not very “intelligent”. Why is he a dream that will never be accomplished? Because he’s only played 2 seasons? Quit hating on him and get off bareas dick sure he did good things in the playoffs but he also had bad moments in the playoffs( see trailblazers series).

by RedRaid13 on Jun 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

hey guy, how about you look at the FACT los mavs won a championship..

also swept the lakers with JJ actually being the X- factor. its not about sweating a players dick. its about pointing the obvious that this player dallas started from ground up can be the next franchise like dirk. oh and the “trailblazers” series did not actually hurt him since we still won it. and had the bigs to back it up. you can say look at peja having bad moments (see the finals)

if you hate JJ that bad then sorry bud. cause he is going to stay a maverick.

by go87 on Jun 28, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

you gotta recognize he was a key player for mavs championship run

And losing him will be very costly,and Roddy for me has been a failure since day 1 what has Roddy done that you’ll are sucking on him so hard, roddy sucks and he can’t play the point plus he’s 6’2 and is no Iverson so for me he will not do much

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And Barea CAN play the point?

LOL. I don’t think so. You mentioned that Roddy has no court vision, guess what… neither does Barea! At best, he is an energy guy off the bench.

E-5-1-50

by mike_o on Jun 30, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you know alittle bit about basketball

If the guy doesn’t have court vision how could he break oír defenses like he did all playoffs long. Guess that’s why Magic johnson loves him and not roddy

by the.Doc on Jul 2, 2011 3:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

barea's the one that keeps Kidd legs fresh for playoffs.

Not Roddy obviously the can’t play a complete season and he’s only 23 imagine.when he is 28 he will need a wheelchair.

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 10:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And Rudy is a 2 the coaching staff has Roddy as a 1. Rudy is filling Deshawns old roster spot

by RedRaid13 on Jun 28, 2011 10:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

no, the next season roddy will most likely play the 2 like allen iverson did.

roddy still has low intelligence with ball control and is only good for shooting the basket or cutting to the rim. at this moment until he learns more about the NBA.

by go87 on Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overall Barea didn't shoot any better in the playoffs

then in the regular season. Don’t forget that Barea shot 1-8, 2-7, 2-8 in the first three games of the finals.

Do Dallas fans really think that we won the last three games of the finals due to coincidence, I don’t

I think we won the last three games of the finals, because of a combination of Dirk, Terry, Chandler, Kidd, Marion, Stevenson, Cardinal, Mahinmi, and Barea. Barea, shooting 38% in the finals, was only part of the group.

Barea is a big attraction for the Latin Market and I think that’s one of the favorite reasons why Cuban wants him of the team he’s making big profits out of the little man.

Did Cuban ever say that’s why he likes Barea? If so I would like to see a link to that. Cuban wants to win more so then make a profit.

My conclusion is I would like to keep him at the right price, but I don’t want him back if it takes a 6 year 45 million dollar contract. I would offer him something like 4 years 20 million.

Don't forget to turn your swag on today.

by Swag11 on Jun 28, 2011 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

lol @ Latin Market

Which one? Puerto Rico? That would be a silly reason to keep JJ around.

E-5-1-50

by mike_o on Jun 28, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you know that Puerto Rico

Because of the colonial status is IMEof the first five consuming markets of US products.

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 10:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

do you know that Puerto Rico

Because of the colonial status is IMEof the first five consuming markets of US products.

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 10:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is anyone really going to give him that much money?

They’d have to consider him starting PG material to give him that much and I don’t think anyone does. Even TOR who probably has the worst PG group in the NBA would probably view Bayless and Calderon as better PG’s than Barea. He’s a nice energy guy off the bench at most.

"I'm a unitard!" - Ralph Wiggum

by stupidsexyflanders on Jun 28, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone will give him 6 years 45 million, but some people seem to

think he is some great or future great player. No one is saying how much they would be willing to give him if they ran the team, so I throw out some numbers to get the ball rolling.

Don't forget to turn your swag on today.

by Swag11 on Jun 28, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Care to provide a link to Cuban saying that?

Barea wasn’t on the 06 finals team, if you kept up back then you would know that.

Don't forget to turn your swag on today.

by Swag11 on Jun 28, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2006.html

Like I said, he wasn’t on the 06 finals team.

Don't forget to turn your swag on today.

by Swag11 on Jun 28, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah huge point was made during the Finals

Only 4 Players were still with their respective teams…

Dallas-Dirk/Terry

Miami-Wade/Haslem

With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"

by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 28, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you really that dumb?

Cuban doesn’t got all the money he have because of being stupid. NBA is all about bussiness, and it’s obvious Barea is an idol amongst latin community, that means Puerto Rican, mexican, all south and centroamericans, and spaniards.

by the.Doc on Jun 30, 2011 9:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You want to sign a guy, because he has a following of fans?

That’s the way to run a team. Let’s go get Yao Ming, him+Barea will make tons of money. We won’t win, but

NBA is all about bussiness
perfect plan. I’m more concerned with a backup pf and would much rather sign Carl Landry.

Don't forget to turn your swag on today.

by Swag11 on Jul 1, 2011 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

*Assuming Chandler and Butler are resigned.

I would go Chandler, Butler, and Landry as the priorities.

Don't forget to turn your swag on today.

by Swag11 on Jul 1, 2011 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is this really an either/or?

We have room in the backcourt, since it will take a while for Roddy to fully come back, and, once he does, JJB can be used in more than one way. It’s a nice problem to have, envied by other teams. My first choice is to re-sign everyone but Peja. If the CBA makes that impossible, I’d let D-Steve go before JJB. Even if he underperforms next year, the rest of the league won’t forget what he did this year. He will bring decent value if we decide to move him.

by geraldmcgrew on Jun 28, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

The problem is

we need to upgrade our size in the backcourt. Acquiring Fernandez just cancels out losing Stevenson which’ll happen because D.S. apparently wants a multi-year contract, and we’d still have a tiny 2nd-unit with Terry and Barea/Beaubois. Think that’s why some people want to re-sign Butler to play some SG minutes and bring over Calethes who’s 6’5" to backup at PG.

"I'm a unitard!" - Ralph Wiggum

by stupidsexyflanders on Jun 28, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

We should re-sign Butler (though he never seemed to like SG very much). If we lose Stevenson and Peja, we can still re-sign everyone else and bring over Calethes (though Donnie doesn’t seem to think he’s ready, especially without a summer league).

by geraldmcgrew on Jun 28, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJB was signed after the Finals season. October 2006. And he played in Ft. Worth, not Frisco.

Saying the Mavs like him because he made the Legends (Donnie’s team, not Cuban’s, by the way) look good is dumb, because A) the Legends didn’t exist during JJ’s stint in the NBA’s garbage can AKA the D-League (averaged a 31/7/6 at 5 foot 10, nuff said) and B) I don’t think Donnie cared about how good a D-League team looked before he bought in, he liked JJB enough to give him a guaranteed contract because he had a great college career that included several awards (he went undrafted because of his size, like what almost happened to Isaiah Thomas) and was pretty good in the summer leagues.

As for the Roddy or JJB debate, Barea will most likely get a 30-40 million offer. Mavs can’t spend that kind of money on a backup PG. And Roddy’s trade value was killed by what is looking more and more like a chronic foot injury, so he’s not going anywhere.

So it’s a pointless discussion. Most likely neither one’s gonna happen. Lots of fail in this post/comments.

by mg4tx on Jun 29, 2011 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

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