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Jeremy Lin and the 2012 Free Agency Rodeo

Forgive me for throwing out more questions than answers here, but I'm beginning to think that the Jeremy Lin saga is going to factor in significantly to the already exciting 2012 NBA offseason.

Disclaimer: the entire premise of this fanpost works under the assumption that Lin will continue to play at a high level (of course, not at the outrageously high level he's at right now, but maybe 70% as good) for the remainder of the season. Having watched his last three games, I feel confident that he will.

If my understanding is correct, the Knicks, as they stand now, can only offer him the MLE at about 5 million per year for four years at the end of the year. If Lin continues to play even half as well as he is now, I have no doubt that every team in the NBA with cap space would offer more than that for the young phenom. Hell, Wesley Matthews got the full MLE after his rookie season, and he wasn't one third as impressive as Lin is this season. All the talk about Lin taking a discount in New York is silly, as this kid isn't going to turn down (potentially) eight figures to stay in New York. If this is the case, I think there are a few different scenarios where this could affect Dallas's offseason plans:

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Situation #1: Dallas Signs Lin

This is certainly not the most likely scenario, but it could actually make a lot of sense. Donnie and the Mavs have made it clear that Deron Williams is going to be a major focus of the team's future plans. They have assembled enough cap space to sign two major stars (albeit with some additional maneuvering), and they will work hard to spend that money. Assuming that Deron ends up somewhere else, Lin could be an intriguing alternative. Lin could fulfill three functions:

1. Filling the void at point guard for the foreseeable future

2. Providing additional incentive for Dwight Howard or some other star to come to Dallas.

3. Possibly providing star-level performance at (possibly) a lower price than Deron Williams, thus allowing us to retain or resign more of our current depth.

The Problems: If Lin continues to look good, he'll likely demand a pretty hefty price for a player with less than a year of real experience. There's obviously some risk involved, especially since he would be working with a new team and coaching scheme. Also, pursuing Lin could distract attention from securing Deron Williams, and vice versa.

Situation #2: The Knicks clear space to resign Lin

Barring any unfortunate problems over the rest of the season, the MLE will not be enough to resign Lin. If that's the case, the Knicks may well be tempted to create room to keep him. It makes sense for a lot of reasons. For one, Lin is insanely popular in New York, and the fans will cry bloody murder if he slips away. Also, we know that the Melo/Amare/Chandler combo was not only not the superteam New York had hoped they would be, they were downright mediocre. Now, Melo's sitting on the bench while Lin dominates games and gets the all- important wins (we could discuss the reasons for this ad infinitum, but suffice it to say that Melo takes way too many damned shots). Thus, Amare or Melo (or in a more unlikely scenario, Chandler) could be dealt over the offseason. Thus, three things could happen here:

1. Some foolish team deals for Carmelo or Amare.

2. L.A. foolishly deals for Carmelo or Amare, likely eliminating themselves from the Howard/Williams sweepstakes.

3. New Jersey finally acquires Melo or Amare, positioning themselves to potentially acquire Howard and set up a Miami-rivalling trio.

4. Dallas foolishly deals for Carmelo or Amare.

The Problems: New York will have a tough time getting rid of Carmelo or Amare in a way that allows them enough immediate cap space to resign Lin at a hefty price. Also, even though Melo and Amare are clearly not the solution in New York, they are (sort of) proven commodities, and any GM would be reluctant to dump an all-star for an not-quite-totally proven player like Lin. This is also the scenario that could hurt Dallas the most, as we know that New Jersey wanted Melo before, and he could really sway Howard's favor in their direction.

Situation #3: Someone else signs Lin

Something tells me this will be the final result of this mess. I imagine there are a handful of teams with cap space who are willing to take a flyer on a potential franchise player and talented floor general. Of course, if Lin ends up in Charlotte/Detroit/Toronto/etc., then it will likely have little or no effect on the Mavs. However, if the following teams come into play, we could see something interesting happen:

1. The Lakers find a way to sign Lin. At this point, it would likely cause them to give up on their pursuit of any other big stars, which obviously benefits us. Of course, they could still try to deal for Howard by ridding themselves of Gasol and/or Bynum (whoever is still remaining after clearing space for Lin).

2. Orlando acquires Lin, and convinces Howard to hang out in Orlando for a while. It's doubtful that this alone would convince Howard to stay in such a dysfunctional situation, but Howard has occasionally shown a bit of attachment to Orlando, so it's not completely implausible.

The Problems: This scenario seems fairly unlikely to benefit the Mavs directly. Smaller teams with lots of cap space may be more willing to gamble on Lin than teams like L.A. and Orlando that will likely have to jettison players to create cap space.

So that's it. Obviously, this rests on the powerful assumption that Lin proves that he really is the revelation that so many of us think he is this year. If that's the case however, it's clear that Lin's (restricted) free agency will shake up the 2012 FA situation quite a bit. With the list of teams pursuing Howard and Williams narrowed down more or less to Dallas, Los Angeles and New Jersey (and Chicago, and probably some other wildcards-of-the-month), the addition of another high-profile free agent to the mix makes the numbers game even more likely to play to the Mavs' benefit. Of course, a lot can and will change over the next few months, but that doesn't mean it won't be interesting.



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We need to trade for Howard now, so we will be an attractive location for FA PGs

Trade for Howard with this and a bunch of draft picks.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Feb 11, 2012 11:22 PM CST reply actions  

I certainly would support that trade

Something tells me that Otis Smith will be reluctant to move Howard, though. Dwight always seems to tease Orlando by saying that he might stay home, and the Magic are too good to really blow it up right now. The only trade I think Orlando would approach this year is Howard for Bynum+something else, and I don’t think L.A. would offer that. Time will tell, though.

On an unrelated note, I concur completely with you on the beast that is Sean Lissemore.

by DerUbermensch on Feb 12, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Is this trade a joke?

Haywood’s contract (awful), Roddy (hasn’t shown much as of late), and Odom (Orlando didn’t want him in the first place when LA tried to package him)…. The Mavs don’t have good picks either… So yeah, if I was Orlando’s GM, I’d rather do Bynum straight-up for Dwight.

by Why on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

“So yeah, if I was Orlando’s GM, I’d rather do Bynum straight-up for Dwight.”

Which wouldn’t happen unless there’s a third team involved. And that third team must be willing to get Turkoglu’s and/or Duhon/Q. Richardson along.

As one “analyst” already said, this could be the RARE case that looking for a trade would be worse than letting Dwight go after the season.

I'm reading this because it's interesting.

by entropy13 on Feb 12, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

You're absolutely right, Rec'd

This is my biggest concern and probably the most important reason that Lin won’t sign with the Mavs. Carlisle has tremendous problems with young players, as he has shown so well by stifling Beaubois’s development. My only hope is that we won’t have Kidd next year when his contract expires (and I think that we won’t) and that Lin will get so much playing time in New York that Rick will consider him a veteran of some sort. Rick’s favorite activity is cutting minutes for young players, and while I don’t see him giving a young player any more minutes than he has to, I wonder if Rick would be able to give Lin significantly less minutes than he received the year before.

Either way, you can be sure that Carlisle wouldn’t be campaigning for the young guy, but hopefully adding Lin to the team would cause Rick to change his ways and grow a bit as a coach.

by DerUbermensch on Feb 12, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Your comment ignores a lot of things that makes RC's tendencies irrelevant to this.

First, you assume like it’d be easy to get Lin. The price tag would be pretty high for a relatively inexperienced player, so if they were to somehow pay it (doubtful), RC wouldn’t think of making him come off the bench or play him 20 minutes. He would be treated like a key player because he would be paid like one. They aren’t going to pay more than the MLE for a player to put him on the bench.

Lin won’t sign with the Mavs because the Mavs won’t give him the money he wants, and he’s likely to take a discount for NY before Dallas. They’d be much more comfortable giving D-Will more money, and that seems much more likely at this point.

by Why on Feb 12, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

No, not at all

I don’t see it as easy to get Lin (see the post: “This is certainly not the most likely scenario”) at all.

Secondly, Lin’s averaging over 36 minutes a game right now, so regardless of price, I don’t see him getting less than that in Dallas. As I mentioned above, I don’t see Rick giving him any less minutes than he’s already gotten in his career.

by DerUbermensch on Feb 13, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

what are you talking about Carlisle having problems with young players...

haven’t you noticed Ian Mahinmi, buddy? he can produce off the bench.

by go87 on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha yeah, but he's a fourth-year veteran

And Carlisle basically has no choice in the matter. Either play Mahinmi as the backup 5 or Wright, both of whom are fairly young. There’s nobody else who can man the 5 consistently.

by DerUbermensch on Feb 13, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Roddy will never be as good as Lin

fact

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Feb 12, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

technically Roddy is better.

he has a ring and more games scoring more than 20 points.

by go87 on Feb 12, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

"he has a ring"

The dude didn’t even play in the freaking playoffs. He rode the pine the whole time.

And he has more 20 point games by virtue of the fact that he has been in the NBA longer. If you seriously think Roddy will ever be as good as Lin you are seriously deluded.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Feb 12, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

look here, champ. Roddy has just as good a shooting motion then Lin. not to mention he can dunk.

also yeah… he has a ring which is already the advantage. not to mention he was through injury most of last season. Roddy is 23 and still very young. he actually would still be a rookie if he started in NCCAB division 1 or 2.

the point is i trust Roddy more than THIS harvard basketball player (Lin).

by go87 on Feb 12, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Bookmarked.

I can’t wait to revisit this in a couple of years.

This is a truly hilarious bit of conclusion-drawing based off five games

i tell the truth; i lie a lot

by jonthefon on Feb 13, 2012 4:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

I’m not as big a fan of Roddy as some are on here, but basing this off of 5 games is crazy, especially consideirng how much Dantoni’s offense favors the PG. Not saying Roddy would’ve put up the numbers Lin did over the last 5 games, but I have no doubt he would’ve done pretty damn well in that stretch playing for that team

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by MayurP on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Huh?

Kidd was already gone when Nash arrived in Dallas. The Kidd trade brought Finley to Dallas and that was during 1996-97 season, if I’m not mistaken. Nash arrived during in Dallas in 1998-99.

You can’t argue/debate these things with a fictional history….and how could anybody rec this kind of stuff, based on pure fabrication?

by Chaim Witz on Feb 15, 2012 5:13 AM CST up reply actions  

hmmm

I believe the point being made was about Nash’s first stint with the Suns. Nash had flashes of brilliance but can’t really come out big while playing backup to Kidd (who arrived mid-season during Nash’s rookie year, played a full season together a year after) at Phoenix.

And so Nash started doing well when he had the opportunity to play more, which was in Dallas, and Kidd was no longer in the picture.

Just to show that, unless you get more minutes, you won’t get to showcase yourself. Nash got the opportunity in Dallas, Lin is grabbing it in New York.

Don't need another perfect line... Don't care if critics ever jump in line...

by Pongskie on Feb 15, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll admit...

…that it appears I was being a bit excessively irritable when I wrote that, but I certainly didn’t believe the point being made was as you just described, basically because of this line to start the paragraph:

“Pretty much how Nash flourished when Kidd left.”

Often, I read things on the site in which it appears some of the scenarios and opinions expressed are based on things that never occurred, thus it just seems like some folks just pull things out of their ass or invent an alternative history that the think they remember. I am definitely NOT saying this is your M.O., but I guess it just happened to hit me wrong when I read the post.

That being said, I had originally written in my comment about Nash and Kidd being in Phoenix together, but deleted that entire line of thought. I agree about playing time being necessary for players to get comfortable, but Nash wasn’t “blocked” by Kidd to start off. Kidd was traded to Phoenix in December that year and the primary reason was that although Nash was taken with the 15th pick in the draft, he was stinking it up with the Suns and they had grown tired of him already, which resulted in the trade for Kidd.

You don’t give up Finley, Cassell and A.C. Green for a PG (even Kidd) if you feel that Nash is going to develop….he DID have the opportunity for a couple months before Kidd arrived…it just wasn’t going well. Perhaps the change of scenery had more to do with Nash realizing he better make it work in Dallas or he could end up as an afterthought in the NBA, rather than having a nice career. Credit Nash with developing and seizing the opportunity and the rest is NBA history. Perhaps the Suns’ trade for Kidd was a wake up call for Nash to get his shit straight. He wasn’t “blocked” by Kidd in Phoenix…Kidd was the better player and Nash might have learned from Kidd before his next opportunity. When the trade for Nash was made, his reputation was as a quick PG with passing skills, but didn’t develop well and was stuck. The Mavs got him pretty cheap and it worked like a charm!

Now, admittedly, I’m still in a bitchy mood, but I hope this makes some sense. I know I came across as an ass in my previous post and I hope you’ll accept my apology on that point. I also hope you can see where and why I took you comment the way I did.

by Chaim Witz on Feb 16, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Why

are you thinking about this now? Guy has 4 good games and all of a sudden he’s going to be the most sought-after FA in the offseason? How about you wait to see how he does the entire season like most scouts, GM’s, coaches, etc. would do?

Reminds me of the hoopla surrounding Beaubois after his 40-pt. game. Take it easy. Don’t make a tepee with your peepee for Lin just yet.

"I'm a unitard!" - Ralph Wiggum

by stupidsexyflanders on Feb 12, 2012 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

I don't believe I made the claim that he'd be the most sought-after FA

I did, however, repeatedly emphasize that this post that it is based on the assumption that Lin continues to play at a high level. Thus, it’s a hypothetical exercise, as is all speculation about the future.

Plus, the kid’s had five very good games in which he’s demonstrated an ability to be a leading scorer and distributor while leading his (previously crappy) team to five wins in his first five starts. I think that is enough reason to embrace the possibility that he could end up having a good year, and in that case, shake up the FA class a bit. Thus the post primarily addresses Lin’s affect on the FA market, rather than assessing his individual value, as I think you may have interpreted it at a glance.

by DerUbermensch on Feb 12, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't get Lin.

According to Howard Beck (retweeted by Marc Stein), Lin will be restricted, and no one can offer more the MLE (Arenas rule), so they’re guaranteed to match. He’s not leaving NY.
We can play what-if about the post-summer-league bidding war with GS all we want, but he’s not coming back to Dallas.

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by fennsk1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

that's not quite

100% accurate

With caproom, any team can offer him bigger $ per year deals, just the first year has to be max MLE-size (ca 5 mil)

So if you’re 10 mill below the cap, you can offer him a 4 year 40$ Mil deal with the first year starting at 5 $ Mil.

Knicks would still be able to match, but Salary cap hell awaits in the later years with Amar’e and Anthony’s contracts already in two..

Actually, if he keeps playing just around 15 and 6 for the rest of the year, i can totally see teams do this to the Knicks. Backload the Deal and reap the benefits later.

"Mais put… Il est fou ce gars!" - French Jesus about Jewish Ice-T

by DOH on Feb 15, 2012 4:38 AM CST up reply actions  

All I know...

Is that Howard Beck and Marc Stein are historically trustworthy sources. Until Larry Coon or another cap/CBA expert explains disagrees, I’m assuming Beck’s tweets (along with Stein’s RT-cosigns) to be authoritative.
Sucks for Lin if he can only make $5mm, but that seems to be the rule.

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@OptaHunt

by fennsk1 on Feb 15, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

well the knicks can only offer $5 mil per, but they can also match anything. That means if a team is bold enough, Lin would get paid more.

But no matter what, he will always be underpaid. I estimate that Lin ‘produced’ a basketball related income of at least $30 Mil in the last two weeks alone. NBAChina et al…

"Mais put… Il est fou ce gars!" - French Jesus about Jewish Ice-T

by DOH on Feb 16, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Larry Coon sets it straight. Lin is staying put.

Here’s the article from the cap-master himself. Coon goes into a lot of detail, but the basics are: if the Knicks want to keep him they will, but they won’t have their mid-level exemption available to bring in a free agent. Here’s the most pertinent section:

But what if another team makes Lin an offer that exceeds the mid-level exception? Fortunately, the Knicks are protected here as well.
Teams are limited in the amounts they can offer to restricted free agents with fewer than three years in the league. This rule is called the “Gilbert Arenas provision,” named after the point guard following Arenas’ move from Golden State to Washington in 2003. Even though Arenas was a restricted free agent and the Warriors had the opportunity to keep him, the team did not have the means under the salary cap to match the offer sheet he received from the Wizards. At the time, Arenas had played two seasons in the league, and like the Knicks currently, could offer only the mid-level exception.
The Arenas provision was added to the rulebook in 2005, restricting the offers that teams can make to restricted free agents with one or two years in the league. Under the Arenas provision, the first-year salary in an offer sheet can’t exceed the mid-level exception, which ensures that the Knicks will have the means to match any offer that Lin may receive.

www.bigdsoccer.com
@OptaHunt

by fennsk1 on Feb 18, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

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