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Shaq/Suns: Is this about 2010?

The first thing that crossed my mind when I read that the Suns were going to trade Shawn Marion for Shaquille O'Neal was, "What the heck are they thinking?" My second thought was, "This deal is so bad that it has to be about something else," but the only thing I could think of was that it was a move to retool the Suns in the future.

Why is this a bad move for Phoenix? Well, beyond all the age and injury issues for Shaq, we have to consider where they are weak and where they are strong: They have an exceptional offense. Will Shaq help them here or hurt them? Well, having Amare at power forward rather than center helps them in the paint and in half court sets, but hurts them significantly in the fast break, mid-range and perimeter.

Shaq simply doesn't free up the floor with double teams any more, so the idea that he'll give the Suns offense more room to operate is a mirage. Even if Shaq's great passing and ability to take up space contribute to the offense, do the Suns even need his help on offense? Not really.

So let's look at their weaknesses: Rebounding and overall defense. The Suns have an athletic team, and that overcomes a lot of their systemic defensive weaknesses. In fact, Marion himself helped the Suns overcome a lot of their systemic defensive weaknesses. His loss is a major blow on the defensive side. Shaq is certainly still a force down low, but he has become much more foul-prone and slow. Him for Marion is quite simply a defensive downgrade on a team that cannot afford a defensive downgrade.

Rebounding is the one area where Shaq could help. He immediately improves their front line rebounding. Marion, on the other hand, was a strong rebounder for a small forward (even if he played power forward at times alongside Stoudemire). Shaq may pick up the slack there, so there is the chance that this is a bit of a wash. The one area Shaq will help immeasurably is the horrible weakness the Suns have in giving up offensive rebounds. But, again, is this enough?

All in all, the best case scenario for Phoenix is that their offense remains where it is and their defense doesn't completely collapse thanks to some improved defensive rebounding. Oh, and that Shaq remains healthy.

So why make this trade? The only thing I can think of is that the Suns are looking ahead. With Shaq on the books, the Suns have an absolutely stunning 2010 ahead: With Shaq ($20 million), Nash (over $12 million) and possibly Stoudemire ($15 million or so) all coming off the books that year.

Think about that: In one year, the Suns will have nearly $50 million in salary coming off the books. They could potentially completely rebuild their roster in one year with top tier free agents. That's a LOT of flexibility to use to rebuild.

Even if just Shaq and Nash go away, you would be trading $32 million in aging salary for the ability to get free agents to go along with Amare Stoudemire.

To be honest, even the "2010 scenario" sounds like  a stretch to me. So why do this deal at all? I'm still looking for an answer to that question.

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I'm still trying to figure it out too.

TrueHoop has a decent statistical breakdown of where he's at this season. They don't deny that he'll contribute, but to what degree?

Who are the monster free agents in 2010? It's a ridiculous gamble to be betting on a crop of 2010 free agents. Maybe they're shooting for a couple lottery picks? Was Marion's poisoning of the locker room so bad that it was causing all the problems?

I think that in absence of any other obvious explaination, I'll be sticking with the ex-players-make-terrible-GMs angle.

Of course a motivated & healthy, if over-the-hill, Shaq shows up, it could make Kerr look like a genius - at least for half a season. Not likely, but hey....

by DitchThePlaybook on Feb 6, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

2010 Free Agents
The 2010 Free Agent class will be very good.  Basically everyone that was drafted in the same draft as LeBron will have their first taste of free agency unless they signed for longer.  It also includes veterans like Elton Brand to go with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh (assuming Toronto doesn't pick up his option which they probably will) not to mention the Phoenix guys Wes lists in his post.

They could retool in 2010, but I'm still not convinced that's the way to go.  Basically the Lakers should now be considered the favorite to win the Pacific.

Derek

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Feb 6, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that's what I'm missing.....
Can the rookies that signed contracts set to expire in 2010 not sign extensions prior to the contracts expiring?

by DitchThePlaybook on Feb 6, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Extensions
Most of the players mentioned have signed extensions. For example, Josh Howard was in that class, and he's tied down to a long term deal.

I was kind of kidding about the 2010 thing, but felt it was worth mentioning if only for the unbelievable situation it could potentially bring Phoenix: They could literally sign three max deals in free agency for the contracts ending in 2010.

As to 2010 itself, the reality is that, as it currently stands, there are no real star free agents set to be available then. Even Dwight Howard is under wraps after 2010.

by Jakedfw on Feb 6, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeezy Chreezy
What an odd deal for Phoenix.

Marion fits their system so well.

I really don't know what to say here.

If Dwyade falls 8 times and gets up 9 times in the woods without anyone around to hear it, does it make a sound?

by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
Without Marion, Phoenix doesn't really have much to defend against Dirk, providing he makes his shots. He slaughters Diaw, and will probably beat Amare's reasonably suspect defence. Unfortunately, even with the Big Geriatric pumping in the middle, it means more lanes for Nashy and Stoudemire to run their ball through. Big jobs for Dampier and Diop if we meet in the playoffs.

by jonthefon on Feb 7, 2008 4:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is were Harris and Howard come up big...
Both Shaq and Amare are foul prone... if Harris and J5 can drive the lane and get them both in trouble, the rest is a no-brainer.

Easier said than done though because of our "love affair" with the jump shot over the past few years.  I think we are better this year, than in years past however...

by Toddy on Feb 8, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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